American Politics VII: Virginia Reel

[Kowani]

Trump threatens to have Republican voters stay home in 2022 and 2024 unless the party is able to "solve" the "fraud" of the last election

[The Reformed American Republic]

Trump threatens to have Republican voters stay home in 2022 and 2024 unless the party is able to "solve" the "fraud" of the last election

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I hope he does do something like that, not that I count on it.

[Comerciante]

Trump threatens to have Republican voters stay home in 2022 and 2024 unless the party is able to "solve" the "fraud" of the last election

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Thank God. Some good fucking news.

[Zurkerx]

Trump threatens to have Republican voters stay home in 2022 and 2024 unless the party is able to "solve" the "fraud" of the last election

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I mean, some of his voters did that in the 2020 Georgia Runoff Elections. Look how that turned out for the GOP so it's hardly an empty threat although I don't think it will have a big enough effect, especially with Independent voters disgruntle with the Biden Administration and may choose to stay home.

On that note, this is something Virginia Republicans don't want to hear.

[HISPIDA]

Trump threatens to have Republican voters stay home in 2022 and 2024 unless the party is able to "solve" the "fraud" of the last election

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[The Reformed American Republic]

Trump threatens to have Republican voters stay home in 2022 and 2024 unless the party is able to "solve" the "fraud" of the last election

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Thank God. Some good fucking news.

Not really. Trump threatened to form a third party before for instance to destroy the GOP for not following him, and he did not go through with it.

[The Black Forrest]

Trump threatens to have Republican voters stay home in 2022 and 2024 unless the party is able to "solve" the "fraud" of the last election

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Dude. You just gave me a headache reading that.

Unless the previous election is thrown out; DON'T VOTE!

My brain hurts.

[Diahon]

Trump threatens to have Republican voters stay home in 2022 and 2024 unless the party is able to "solve" the "fraud" of the last election

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he should be in jail, awaiting the hour of our release from his murderousness

[Necroghastia]

Trump threatens to have Republican voters stay home in 2022 and 2024 unless the party is able to "solve" the "fraud" of the last election

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never thought id say this but
aw yeah maga baby

[The Black Forrest]

Thank God. Some good fucking news.

Not really. Trump threatened to form a third party before for instance to destroy the GOP for not following him, and he did not go through with it.

He probably thought all the fundraising involved would have gone to him. Somebody probably explained it would be needed to do the party things and he gave up.

He also said he was going to setup an alternative to twitter and put twitter out of business. He gave up and is trying to sue to get his account reinstated.

He says many things.

[LoFi Banana]

So, if Trump runs in 2024, what you guys think about his odds of winning?

[Postauthoritarian America]

what the fuck what the actual fuck

including a link to a suicide prevention hotline

What the fuck is right.

The exact same thing happened in Minnesota when then-Governor Tim Pawlenty (R) was running for vice-president. Republicans don't give a flying fuck about people dying of COVID, why would they care about LGBTQ youth committing suicide?

So, if Trump runs in 2024, what you guys think about his odds of winning?

He's lost the popular vote twice and will do so again. The question is how far Republicans will go to overturn his inevitable loss. The evidence of last January 6 is that they will use every means up to and including violent insurrection.

[The Black Forrest]

So, if Trump runs in 2024, what you guys think about his odds of winning?

Maybe his planning this to avoid losing again?

See the deep state! Send me money to fight the good fight!

[Postauthoritarian America]

Trump threatens to have Republican voters stay home in 2022 and 2024 unless the party is able to "solve" the "fraud" of the last election

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never thought id say this but
aw yeah maga baby

That's MAGAA baby

[Neutraligon]

I have no idea where this poster gets off saying things like Jews pissed off about this are just wrong because...something something something Israel. My grandparents were alive during the Holocaust and were lucky to escape just before the worst of it began. You know who did not, about half of my family. To have something as trivial as a vaccine turned into holocaust equivalent is is about as disgusting as comparing actual war-related trauma to...getting a booboo while roller blading. What Jews are pissed off about is the trivializing of what was done to the Holocaust. It is a form of anti-semitism because it compares actual real-world torture and murder to...getting a shot.

And considering the type of people who are doing it? You know the ones who are also Jews are the evil world leader types...yeah there is nothing but anti-semitism in this.

I get off on the fact that the image is hypodermic needles arranged in swastika which is clearly an attempt to mock the vaccine and those promoting it rather than unironically promote Nazism. That's where I get off on this.

And no, it wasn't a post that said Jewish people are inherently wrong, but rather I'm not inherently wrong just because you can cite examples of Jews disagreeing with me, or because you disagree with me. I already said it was a stupid thing for the right to say. I'm just saying there's a difference between a ridiculous persecution complex on the right's part and the atrocities of the Nazis being condoned and promoted. One's being an actual genocidal Nazi and one is being delusional with a persecution complex.

Plus, I know the people doing this. Most of them are extremely pro-Israel to the point of extremism. While I have no love for the anti-democratic Trumpians, not all of them agree with the phrase "Six million is not enough" or other outright Nazi views.

I'm sorry for what your family had to go through, but what I'm saying isn't some immoral position.

You are aware that being pro-Israel and being anti-semitic are not mutually exclusive...right?

[The Reformed American Republic]

I get off on the fact that the image is hypodermic needles arranged in swastika which is clearly an attempt to mock the vaccine and those promoting it rather than unironically promote Nazism. That's where I get off on this.

And no, it wasn't a post that said Jewish people are inherently wrong, but rather I'm not inherently wrong just because you can cite examples of Jews disagreeing with me, or because you disagree with me. I already said it was a stupid thing for the right to say. I'm just saying there's a difference between a ridiculous persecution complex on the right's part and the atrocities of the Nazis being condoned and promoted. One's being an actual genocidal Nazi and one is being delusional with a persecution complex.

Plus, I know the people doing this. Most of them are extremely pro-Israel to the point of extremism. While I have no love for the anti-democratic Trumpians, not all of them agree with the phrase "Six million is not enough" or other outright Nazi views.

I'm sorry for what your family had to go through, but what I'm saying isn't some immoral position.

You are aware that being pro-Israel and being anti-semitic are not mutually exclusive...right?

No, but it raises question that they believe that they're at the whims at Jewish overloads.

[Neutraligon]

You are aware that being pro-Israel and being anti-semitic are not mutually exclusive...right?

No, but it raises question that they believe that they're at the whims at Jewish overloads.

Not really.

[Senkaku]

So, if Trump runs in 2024, what you guys think about his odds of winning?

I think I’d want to talk with his cardiologist before I put down a bet on anything tbh

I'm being genuine when I ask this: When is making a comparison to the Holocaust or Nazism acceptable?

Schwarzenegger made a comparison between January 6th and the Kristallnacht for example -- was that appropriate, was that in in poor taste, or did that even cross the line into antisemitism?

I'm even guilty of this. Earlier in the thread, I made a comparison between the way the Nazis glorified the death of Horst Wessel and how Trump is trying to turn Ashli Babbitt into a kind of propaganda martyr. Was that antisemitic?

I think it depends on your intent. Are you making a comparison because you want to portray yourself as a victim, or are you making a comparison because you want to engage in something like Holocaust denial?

I think the main thing is the content of the analogy. A Kristallnacht comparison for January 6th isn’t a perfect 1:1 matchup, but it makes sense if you’re discussing organized right-wing political violence and the threat it poses to democratic freedoms. Comparing aspects of Nazi history and political thought to other aspiring right-wing totalitarian movements doesn’t strike me as inappropriate either. People get pissed off when Nazi/Holocaust analogies are made for things that clearly don’t have the same stakes; if I had a professor who I didn’t like, I might not make a Goebbels analogy, since whatever else you can say, no one’s being murdered on their orders.

That said, RAR did raise a good point earlier about the ADL also crying anti-Semitism over any criticism of Israel; it does deflate everyone else’s ability to talk about anti-Semitism in any other context, because it introduces a baseline assumption that such accusations are just political hatchets that get brought out over any old thing no matter how tangential.

[The Black Forrest]

never thought id say this but
aw yeah maga baby

That's MAGAA baby

Covfefe!

That alone shows you he is a moron. If he had followed up with some like "Fracking autocorrect!" he would have gotten a different laugh from both sides.

At least he found something to be remembered by!

[The Black Forrest]

No, but it raises question that they believe that they're at the whims at Jewish overloads.

Not really.

Indeed.

[Senkaku]

No, but it raises question that they believe that they're at the whims at Jewish overloads.

They’re usually pretty internally consistent, honestly; the support for Israel stems at least in part from wanting to get rid of the Jews here (acting as a rationalization mechanism so they can say “I’m not anti-Semitic I don’t want to KILL them I just think they should be with their own kind in their own land”), in addition to the crazy rapture stuff or whatever. Rabid support for Israel is the American right’s Madagascar plan— a way to reconcile anti-Semitism with their lingering sense of morality that says full blown white supremacist genocide is maybe inappropriate, while they continue working themselves up to heavier stuff.

[The Andorian System]

The site is absolutely bullshit. The problem is people believe it.

The problem is that too many people find the Rabbit hole easier to understand than Reality. It provides simple answers. There are clear villains, just like in the comic books. The world isn't the result of several random events. It's all orchestrated by an elite group. THEY are keeping you good, honest people from what they deserve.

Reality is much more complicated than The Grand Conspiracy. Q-Anon is more entertaining than real life.

[The Reformed American Republic]

No, but it raises question that they believe that they're at the whims at Jewish overloads.

Not really.

The people who think that way usually have pretty intense views about destroying Israel. Not saying that anyone anti-Israel is a Nazi, but they tend not to promote Israel in a positive light. The Turner Diaries depicts Israelis being exterminated en masse for instance and that being "good," and I don't think many other Nazis are more moderate on that front.

Again, this is over an image to mock the left. Why you insist that it be treated if it's unironic Nazi support is beyond me.

[Neutraligon]

Not really.

The people who think that way usually have pretty intense views about destroying Israel. Not saying that anyone anti-Israel is a Nazi, but they tend not to promote Israel in a positive light. The Turner Diaries depicts Israelis being exterminated en masse for instance, and I don't think many other Nazis are more moderate on that front.

Again, this is over an image to mock the left. Why you insist that it be treated if it's unironic Nazi support is beyond me.

I am not treating it as Nazi support, I am treating it as anti-semitic. There is a difference. Anti-semitism existed long before Nazis. And once again supporting Israel now to gather all the Jews there so that revelations can occur/kill all the Jews after gathering them in one place does not preclude thinking Jews society.

[Shazbotdom]

Not really. Trump threatened to form a third party before for instance to destroy the GOP for not following him, and he did not go through with it.

He probably thought all the fundraising involved would have gone to him. Somebody probably explained it would be needed to do the party things and he gave up.

He also said he was going to setup an alternative to twitter and put twitter out of business. He gave up and is trying to sue to get his account reinstated.

He says many things.

Well, now there's one that is run by OANN. It's a shit show, but hilarious as fuck.