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Who do you think will win the Virginia Gubernatorial Race?

Terry McAuliffe(D)
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57%
Glenn Youngkin(R)
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:35 am

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The Reformed American Republic wrote:Since we only have two parties, a low Biden approval rating will only help Republicans, even if they wouldn't manage the situation any better.

Don't worry, Americans just LOVE flip flopping back and forth as if that'll accomplish something. Because obviously the party who did nothing for the pandemic is the good one to put into power next, that'll fix everything. Oh, when it doesn't again? Welp, time to flip back to the other party who didn't actually pass anything. So on and so forth forever.

I don't think it's flip flop voters. Most Republicans have a cult of personality around Trump and his lackeys and will turn out massively next election if they can put them back into power. Biden voters dissatisfied with Biden will simply be less inclined to vote, either wanting someone else or losing faith in electoralism. That naturally would swing the election in favor of Trump and the Republicans.

Since we only have two parties, much of the country is unheard no matter what, and you cannot pin your hopes up on them holding their nose and still voting Biden.
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Postby Deblar » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:36 am

Corrian wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Since we only have two parties, a low Biden approval rating will only help Republicans, even if they wouldn't manage the situation any better.

Don't worry, Americans just LOVE flip flopping back and forth as if that'll accomplish something. Because obviously the party who did nothing for the pandemic is the good one to put into power next, that'll fix everything. Oh, when it doesn't again? Welp, time to flip back to the other party who didn't actually pass anything. So on and so forth forever.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:37 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Corrian wrote:Don't worry, Americans just LOVE flip flopping back and forth as if that'll accomplish something. Because obviously the party who did nothing for the pandemic is the good one to put into power next, that'll fix everything. Oh, when it doesn't again? Welp, time to flip back to the other party who didn't actually pass anything. So on and so forth forever.

I don't think it's flip flop voters. Most Republicans have a cult of personality around Trump and his lackeys and will turn out massively next election if they can put them back into power. Biden voters dissatisfied with Biden will simply be less inclined to vote, either wanting someone else or losing faith in electoralism. That naturally would swing the election in favor of Trump and the Republicans.

Since we only have two parties, much of the country is unheard no matter what, and you cannot pin your hopes up on them holding their nose and still voting Biden.


Im not sure his base will turn out. Look at what happened in the Georgia runoff. Many voters in the northern part of the state a longtime stronghold didn't turnout.

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:39 am

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Vassenor wrote:Show us the statistics that prove that. If you even can.

No, I'm not going to. You find them, if you want.

It's basic logic. Older people are obviously less healthy. Illnesses will affect them in ways worse than it would younger people.


So you have no evidence to support your bullshit claims then. Got it.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:39 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:I don't think it's flip flop voters. Most Republicans have a cult of personality around Trump and his lackeys and will turn out massively next election if they can put them back into power. Biden voters dissatisfied with Biden will simply be less inclined to vote, either wanting someone else or losing faith in electoralism. That naturally would swing the election in favor of Trump and the Republicans.

Since we only have two parties, much of the country is unheard no matter what, and you cannot pin your hopes up on them holding their nose and still voting Biden.


Im not sure his base will turn out. Look at what happened in the Georgia runoff. Many voters in the northern part of the state a longtime stronghold didn't turnout.

That's only one election. If Trump runs, his hardcore base will follow him. Not only that, I neglected to mention that they're suppressing the vote as well in many areas.
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Postby Antipatros » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:39 am

Just based on the average number of seats lost by incumbent parties in their first midterm, the Democrats are likely to lose the House. When you also factor in redistricting (which Republicans control in many states) and voter suppression, Democrats are almost certain to lose control of the chamber.

They could lose the Senate too, but that's less certain. If they hold on to the Senate, they can still do a lot of governance.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:40 am

Antipatros wrote:Just based on the average number of seats lost by incumbent parties in their first midterm, the Democrats are likely to lose the House. When you also factor in redistricting (which Republicans control in many states) and voter suppression, Democrats are almost certain to lose control of the chamber.

They could lose the Senate too, but that's less certain. If they hold on to the Senate, they can still do a lot of governance.


They could also gain seats via redistricting.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:42 am

Corrian wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Since we only have two parties, a low Biden approval rating will only help Republicans, even if they wouldn't manage the situation any better.

Don't worry, Americans just LOVE flip flopping back and forth as if that'll accomplish something. Because obviously the party who did nothing for the pandemic is the good one to put into power next, that'll fix everything. Oh, when it doesn't again? Welp, time to flip back to the other party who didn't actually pass anything. So on and so forth forever.

Americans also have crazy short memories and stuff that happens now will not be relevant by this time next year.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:42 am

Antipatros wrote:Just based on the average number of seats lost by incumbent parties in their first midterm, the Democrats are likely to lose the House. When you also factor in redistricting (which Republicans control in many states) and voter suppression, Democrats are almost certain to lose control of the chamber.

They could lose the Senate too, but that's less certain. If they hold on to the Senate, they can still do a lot of governance.

Expect them to lose the Senate.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:44 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Corrian wrote:Don't worry, Americans just LOVE flip flopping back and forth as if that'll accomplish something. Because obviously the party who did nothing for the pandemic is the good one to put into power next, that'll fix everything. Oh, when it doesn't again? Welp, time to flip back to the other party who didn't actually pass anything. So on and so forth forever.

Americans also have crazy short memories and stuff that happens now will not be relevant by this time next year.

That, and we're always stuck with the lesser of the two evils without any hope of someone better. We need significant reforms but the best we can hope for are half-measures.
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Postby Antipatros » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:44 am

San Lumen wrote:
Antipatros wrote:Just based on the average number of seats lost by incumbent parties in their first midterm, the Democrats are likely to lose the House. When you also factor in redistricting (which Republicans control in many states) and voter suppression, Democrats are almost certain to lose control of the chamber.

They could lose the Senate too, but that's less certain. If they hold on to the Senate, they can still do a lot of governance.


They could also gain seats via redistricting.

Yes, but at the end of the day I think they will lose seats overall. That's my expectation, anyway.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:44 am

Antipatros wrote:Just based on the average number of seats lost by incumbent parties in their first midterm, the Democrats are likely to lose the House. When you also factor in redistricting (which Republicans control in many states) and voter suppression, Democrats are almost certain to lose control of the chamber.

They could lose the Senate too, but that's less certain. If they hold on to the Senate, they can still do a lot of governance.

It’s actually likely the democrats will gain senate seats. Interestingly many states now have independent commissions for redistricting so things can change
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:45 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Antipatros wrote:Just based on the average number of seats lost by incumbent parties in their first midterm, the Democrats are likely to lose the House. When you also factor in redistricting (which Republicans control in many states) and voter suppression, Democrats are almost certain to lose control of the chamber.

They could lose the Senate too, but that's less certain. If they hold on to the Senate, they can still do a lot of governance.

Expect them to lose the Senate.


Nevada is a very hard state to poll. with both candidates in the 30s its hard to predict. Plus don't base things off of one poll. If Republicans win Congress they will overturn any Democratic victory in 2024.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:45 am

Antipatros wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
They could also gain seats via redistricting.

Yes, but at the end of the day I think they will lose seats overall. That's my expectation, anyway.

a lot can change in a year. Right now Democrats lead by about 4 points on the generic ballot.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:46 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Antipatros wrote:Just based on the average number of seats lost by incumbent parties in their first midterm, the Democrats are likely to lose the House. When you also factor in redistricting (which Republicans control in many states) and voter suppression, Democrats are almost certain to lose control of the chamber.

They could lose the Senate too, but that's less certain. If they hold on to the Senate, they can still do a lot of governance.

Expect them to lose the Senate.

The poll you quoted is not a good poll. Again what happens now will not matter in one year. Especially if Biden gets some of his agenda passed.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:47 am

San Lumen wrote:If Republicans win Congress they will overturn any Democratic victory in 2024.

Yeah, that's what they want to do.

Back to what I was saying about the pandemic, I don't think there's light at the end of the tunnel. I was optimistic about the vaccine after all.
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Postby Corrian » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:49 am

Deblar wrote:
Corrian wrote:Don't worry, Americans just LOVE flip flopping back and forth as if that'll accomplish something. Because obviously the party who did nothing for the pandemic is the good one to put into power next, that'll fix everything. Oh, when it doesn't again? Welp, time to flip back to the other party who didn't actually pass anything. So on and so forth forever.

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Postby Kowani » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:50 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Antipatros wrote:Just based on the average number of seats lost by incumbent parties in their first midterm, the Democrats are likely to lose the House. When you also factor in redistricting (which Republicans control in many states) and voter suppression, Democrats are almost certain to lose control of the chamber.

They could lose the Senate too, but that's less certain. If they hold on to the Senate, they can still do a lot of governance.

Expect them to lose the Senate.

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Postby Corrian » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:50 am

San Lumen wrote:
Antipatros wrote:Yes, but at the end of the day I think they will lose seats overall. That's my expectation, anyway.

a lot can change in a year. Right now Democrats lead by about 4 points on the generic ballot.

I'm actually surprised its that high.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:52 am

Corrian wrote:
San Lumen wrote:a lot can change in a year. Right now Democrats lead by about 4 points on the generic ballot.

I'm actually surprised its that high.

I am too.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:53 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
San Lumen wrote:If Republicans win Congress they will overturn any Democratic victory in 2024.

Yeah, that's what they want to do.

Back to what I was saying about the pandemic, I don't think there's light at the end of the tunnel. I was optimistic about the vaccine after all.

And they will watch as the country splits itself asunder.

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Postby Corrian » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:53 am

It may be naive but I actually think Democrats will (barely) manage to hold onto the Senate but likely lose the House.

Either way, I suspect on election day 2022 we'll spend all day with bated breath watching the narrow Senate votes as they come in. Because control is basically down to a bunch of swing state senate races.
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Postby Corrian » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:55 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
San Lumen wrote:If Republicans win Congress they will overturn any Democratic victory in 2024.

Yeah, that's what they want to do.

Back to what I was saying about the pandemic, I don't think there's light at the end of the tunnel. I was optimistic about the vaccine after all.

I had hope then, but I have reluctant optimism that we're headed in the right direction now, albeit way slower than we should be.
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