American Politics VII: Virginia Reel

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Or, like, Hitler

Pinochet was an exception, and I'm not sure military dictatorships count as "on the right". Regardless, his regime was certainly authoritarian, which I oppose regardless of economic policy.

Hitler was NOT right wing politically. That is one of the worst propaganda of the last 100 years. The National SOCIALIST Workers Party only differed from the Soviet Union in the idea of where socialism should be focused: nationally, or internationally. Fascism and Communism are both on the far left of the economic axis, with very little space between them. Post WW2, the Communists spread the idea that Fascists were "Right Wing", so that communism was defined as the center, or the norm.

Nationalism socialism is as much socialism as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is Democratic.

The Nazi ideology was to subjugate and plunder so really national socialism ought to be described as expedited capitalism.

[Punished UMN]

I think it would be a mistake to imply that the Nazis had any kind of coherent economic policy that was guided by ideological reasons. Their state existed for all of 12 years, half of them at war, a third of those in utter collapse, you can't really extrapolate from those what a "successful" (i.e. post-war, post-Generalplan Ost) Nazi state would look like because the Nazis never got beyond the opening stages of their plan. It's hard to believe because of how high their high-water mark was, and how much destruction they were able to wreak in such a short time, but the Nazi state was crushed in its infancy.

[Senkaku]

Fascism and Communism are both on the far left of the economic axis, with very little space between them.

conceptualizing politics as 2-dimensional space was a huge breakthrough for you wasn't it

[The Jamesian Republic]

Pinochet was an exception, and I'm not sure military dictatorships count as "on the right". Regardless, his regime was certainly authoritarian, which I oppose regardless of economic policy.

Hitler was NOT right wing politically. That is one of the worst propaganda of the last 100 years. The National SOCIALIST Workers Party only differed from the Soviet Union in the idea of where socialism should be focused: nationally, or internationally. Fascism and Communism are both on the far left of the economic axis, with very little space between them. Post WW2, the Communists spread the idea that Fascists were "Right Wing", so that communism was defined as the center, or the norm.

Nationalism socialism is as much socialism as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is Democratic.

The Nazi ideology was to subjugate and plunder so really national socialism ought to be described as expedited capitalism.

Also part of Nazi ideology wanted the extinction of entire groups of people.

[Kowani]

There are now 22 Democrats publicly pledged to oppose the bipartisan infrastructure bill on Monday, which means it doesn't have the votes to pass (Especially with McCarthy whipping the republicans against it)

And now, Pelosi is saying she might delay the Monday vote on the infrastructure bill

lmao gottheimer bailed on the monday vote

[The Jamesian Republic]

There are now 22 Democrats publicly pledged to oppose the bipartisan infrastructure bill on Monday, which means it doesn't have the votes to pass (Especially with McCarthy whipping the republicans against it)

And now, Pelosi is saying she might delay the Monday vote on the infrastructure bill

lmao gottheimer bailed on the monday vote

Why don’t they just give up? It won’t pass and even their own members don’t want to pass it.

[Antipatros]

There are now 22 Democrats publicly pledged to oppose the bipartisan infrastructure bill on Monday, which means it doesn't have the votes to pass (Especially with McCarthy whipping the republicans against it)

And now, Pelosi is saying she might delay the Monday vote on the infrastructure bill

lmao gottheimer bailed on the monday vote

Why don’t they just give up? It won’t pass and even their own members don’t want to pass it.

If the Democrats don't manage to implement any of Biden's agenda during this session of Congress, they will be absolutely slaughtered in the midterms.

They will be kicking themselves for that, because after that nothing is going to get done in Congress. It will be solely up to Biden and his executive orders.

[San Lumen]

There are now 22 Democrats publicly pledged to oppose the bipartisan infrastructure bill on Monday, which means it doesn't have the votes to pass (Especially with McCarthy whipping the republicans against it)

And now, Pelosi is saying she might delay the Monday vote on the infrastructure bill

lmao gottheimer bailed on the monday vote

Why don’t they just give up? It won’t pass and even their own members don’t want to pass it.

Progressives need to stop with the mindset of my way or the highway. Giving up would mean Biden’s entire domestic agenda fails.

[Kowani]

There are now 22 Democrats publicly pledged to oppose the bipartisan infrastructure bill on Monday, which means it doesn't have the votes to pass (Especially with McCarthy whipping the republicans against it)

And now, Pelosi is saying she might delay the Monday vote on the infrastructure bill

lmao gottheimer bailed on the monday vote

Why don’t they just give up? It won’t pass and even their own members don’t want to pass it.

because if the BIF fails, reconciliation fails too, and if that fails, the entire biden agenda goes up in smoke

thanks, manchin

[Antipatros]

Why don’t they just give up? It won’t pass and even their own members don’t want to pass it.

Progressives need to stop with the mindset of my way or the highway. Giving up would mean Biden’s entire domestic agenda fails.

This is where I'm at, at this point.

I get it, progressives want to fight. They do not appreciate the moderates. They want to do a lot of stuff, but Jesus Christ please do not burn down the entire tent.

[Kowani]

Why don’t they just give up? It won’t pass and even their own members don’t want to pass it.

Progressives need to stop with the mindset of my way or the highway. Giving up would mean Biden’s entire domestic agenda fails.

progressives don't need to do anything
we have the numbers-the problem is with a small group of conservative democrats (ranging from 3-9) trying to sink the entire thing
go yell at gottheimer and rice

[The Jamesian Republic]

Why don’t they just give up? It won’t pass and even their own members don’t want to pass it.

because if the BIF fails, reconciliation fails too, and if that fails, the entire biden agenda goes up in smoke

thanks, manchin

Well, I guess they must want that to happen.

[San Lumen]

Progressives need to stop with the mindset of my way or the highway. Giving up would mean Biden’s entire domestic agenda fails.

progressives don't need to do anything
we have the numbers-the problem is with a small group of conservative democrats (ranging from 3-9) trying to sink the entire thing
go yell at gottheimer and rice

Progressives already said they will vote down the bill if they don’t get their way. They are not blameless here.

[The V I C]

Why don’t they just give up? It won’t pass and even their own members don’t want to pass it.

because if the BIF fails, reconciliation fails too, and if that fails, the entire biden agenda goes up in smoke

thanks, manchin

The Biden presidency doesn't seem to be doing too well, and some of the issues its facing are through no fault on Biden's part. Manchin and Sinema have been sabotaging their own party through the last several months on just about everything.

[Corrian]

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) becomes the first sitting congressman to explicitly embrace the Great Replacement conspiracy theory

the ride never ends

Why this fuck is still in Congress is a ridiculous thing in itself.

[Kowani]

progressives don't need to do anything
we have the numbers-the problem is with a small group of conservative democrats (ranging from 3-9) trying to sink the entire thing
go yell at gottheimer and rice

Progressives already said they will vote down the bill if they don’t get their way. They are not blameless here.

Progressives need to stop with the mindset of my way or the highway. Giving up would mean Biden’s entire domestic agenda fails.

This is where I'm at, at this point.

I get it, progressives want to fight. They do not appreciate the moderates. They want to do a lot of stuff, but Jesus Christ please do not burn down the entire tent.

because if the BIF fails, reconciliation fails too, and if that fails, the entire biden agenda goes up in smoke

thanks, manchin

Well, I guess they must want that to happen.

jesus christ, people

what this does is maintain keep the two bills linked together
either they both pass or neither does
everyone knew this going in
it was an explicit condition of the affair from the progressive caucus, nancy pelosi, and joe biden
then what happened was a very small fraction of the moderates (again, maybe 9 people!) tried to sabotage and sink the entire thing
moves like these-specifically on the timing of the bills-help keep everyone on board and the party from going down in flames as it sabotages itself
the reconciliation bill isn't even what the progressives wanted
it's literally just things biden was talking about on the campaign trail
the only reason its a separate bill at all (because remember, the two bills were originally one!) was because the moderates demanded that they be separate pieces of legislation so the social spending would be easier to kill
saying "the progressives want to sink biden's agenda" makes absolutely no sense when the overwhelming majority of what could be called "the biden agenda" is in the reconciliation bill

[Antipatros]

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) becomes the first sitting congressman to explicitly embrace the Great Replacement conspiracy theory

the ride never ends

Why this fuck is still in Congress is a ridiculous thing in itself.

He's from an R+20 district; super safe districts tend to produce hot garbage in today's environment.

[Antipatros]

Progressives already said they will vote down the bill if they don’t get their way. They are not blameless here.

This is where I'm at, at this point.

I get it, progressives want to fight. They do not appreciate the moderates. They want to do a lot of stuff, but Jesus Christ please do not burn down the entire tent.

Well, I guess they must want that to happen.

jesus christ, people

what this does is maintain keep the two bills linked together
either they both pass or neither does
everyone knew this going in
it was an explicit condition of the affair from the progressive caucus, nancy pelosi, and joe biden
then what happened was a very small fraction of the moderates (again, maybe 9 people!) tried to sabotage and sink the entire thing
moves like these-specifically on the timing of the bills-help keep everyone on board and the party from going down in flames as it sabotages itself
the reconciliation bill isn't even what the progressives wanted
it's literally just things biden was talking about on the campaign trail
the only reason its a separate bill at all (because remember, the two bills were originally one!) was because the moderates demanded that they be separate pieces of legislation so the social spending would be easier to kill
saying "the progressives want to sink biden's agenda" makes absolutely no sense when the overwhelming majority of what could be called "the biden agenda" is in the reconciliation bill

You're going to have a real hard time selling me on this when the GOP retakes Congress and then they run Trump again.

My perspective is this: do not let perfect be the enemy of good. If you want to use the bipartisan bill as leverage in the short run, okay I'm fine with that. If that strategy fails to convince the moderates, I would like the Democrats to at least do something.

The progressive caucus is much less likely to see consequences for this blowing up, so I guess it's easy for them to do this kind of shit. Meanwhile, my Congressman will probably be among those that get swept out of office.

[Corrian]

Why don’t they just give up? It won’t pass and even their own members don’t want to pass it.

Progressives need to stop with the mindset of my way or the highway. Giving up would mean Biden’s entire domestic agenda fails.

Okay, and we're just supposed to give into the mindset of "My way or the highway" for the moderates? Its okay if they get all the want? Yeah, no, that's bullshit. Fuck that. The only ones actually TRYING to pass Biden's fucking agenda ARE the progressives. The moderates need to get the fuck in line and vote for his agenda. Don't pin this on the progressives when they're actually trying to get his fucking agenda passed.

[Ifreann]

Why don’t they just give up? It won’t pass and even their own members don’t want to pass it.

Progressives need to stop with the mindset of my way or the highway. Giving up would mean Biden’s entire domestic agenda fails.

When are progressives ever allowed to fight for what they want instead of endlessly capitulating to what the fossil fuel industry pays Manchin to say?

[San Lumen]

Progressives need to stop with the mindset of my way or the highway. Giving up would mean Biden’s entire domestic agenda fails.

Okay, and we're just supposed to give into the mindset of "My way or the highway" for the moderates? Its okay if they get all the want? Yeah, no, that's bullshit. Fuck that. The only ones actually TRYING to pass Biden's fucking agenda ARE the progressives. The moderates need to get the fuck in line and vote for his agenda. Don't pin this on the progressives when they're actually trying to get his fucking agenda passed.

And voting down the bipartisan bill that passed the senate achieves that?

[Saiwania]

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) becomes the first sitting congressman to explicitly embrace the Great Replacement conspiracy theory

He's arguably one of the few who's awoken up to a real reality, its fact that a lot of the developed countries are becoming racially diverse or multicultural when those places were previously majority White. I'm willing to bet that many more beyond just him in the US Congress are fully aware of whats going on in the world, but don't care because the moneyed interests are more important, or are too afraid to publicly come out as being sympathetic to any pro-White causes. If they do, they'll be painted as a Nazi or White Supremacist by default.

[San Lumen]

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) becomes the first sitting congressman to explicitly embrace the Great Replacement conspiracy theory

He's arguably one of the few who's awoken up to a real reality, its fact that a lot of the developed countries are becoming majority non-White when those places were previously majority White. I'm willing to bet that many more beyond just him in the US Congress are fully aware, but are too afraid to publicly come out as being sympathetic to any pro-White causes. If they do, they'll be painted as a Nazi or White Supremacist by default.

It’s not a real reality. It’s complete and utter nonsense.

[Corrian]

Okay, and we're just supposed to give into the mindset of "My way or the highway" for the moderates? Its okay if they get all the want? Yeah, no, that's bullshit. Fuck that. The only ones actually TRYING to pass Biden's fucking agenda ARE the progressives. The moderates need to get the fuck in line and vote for his agenda. Don't pin this on the progressives when they're actually trying to get his fucking agenda passed.

And voting down the bipartisan bill that passed the senate achieves that?

This was explained better above by Kowani.

The moderates don't get to have all the say anymore. Again, they're the ones crashing the Biden agenda, not the progressives. The progressives are more in support of Biden than moderates at this point.

The 3.5 trillion WAS the fucking compromise in the first place. Any moderate trying to go even lower are the ones in the fucking way, and they need to get the fuck out of the way. I'm done cratering to a bunch of fucking moderates trying to destroy overwhelmingly popular legislation because they're god damn idiots.

[Antipatros]

And voting down the bipartisan bill that passed the senate achieves that?

This was explained better above by Kowani.

The moderates don't get to have all the say anymore. Again, they're the ones crashing the Biden agenda, not the progressives. The progressives are more in support of Biden than moderates at this point.

The 3.5 trillion WAS the fucking compromise in the first place. Any moderate trying to go even lower are the ones in the fucking way, and they need to get the fuck out of the way. I'm done cratering to a bunch of fucking moderates trying to destroy overwhelmingly popular legislation because they're god damn idiots.

The $6 trillion was not going to happen in any case. It was not serious proposal, given the reality of the political situation that we're currently in.

These internal blame games will not be convincing to voters in competitive districts.