American Politics VII: Virginia Reel

[Antipatros]

He took out only a handful of generals though, right? The bulk of them fell into line. Same thing with the conservatives.

He took out the two highest ranking ones who dominated the establishment and had them replaced with flunkies.

I always thought/heard that once the Night of the Long Knives happened, the military as a whole pretty much came to support Hitler. There were a few exceptions (both then and throughout his regime), but Hitler ultimately gave the military a lot of what they wanted. The Reichswehr had been secretly pursuing rearmament during the interwar period (now they could pursue it freely), and the more radical/problematic elements of the Nazi party had been dealt with.

EDIT: The German military leadership also supported the idea of war against Germany's enemies. Their reservation was that Hitler was being too fast and too aggressive. They were also not supporters of German democracy by any means.

[Bear Stearns]

Oh we're back onto debating Nazis/fascism?

To be fair, there were some more left-wing elements within the Nazi movement (e.g. Strasserists) . Many of them got purged in 1934, though. Hitler chose to build an alliance with the military and the industrialists, so he could have his wars.

The economic ideas behind Strasserism are also kind of weird. They advocated for a kind of guild socialism. It was essentially a return to the system we had prior to the development of modern capitalism, but with the state replacing the aristocracy. Of course, it was also infused with all the racist bullshit that we know Nazis for. Anti-capitalist yes, but pretty reactionary if you ask me.

I've been doing reading on Ribbentrop and Schulenberg. They definitely had pro-Soviet sympathies and kept trying to get the USSR to join the Axis.

[Kowani]

Draft report of the Arizona “audit” coming out tomorrow didn’t just confirm Biden won-Biden actually gained votes in their recount, while Trump lost hundreds

The Chair of the Arizona GOP is now calling for another audit

[Ifreann]

Draft report of the Arizona “audit” coming out tomorrow didn’t just confirm Biden won-Biden actually gained votes in their recount, while Trump lost hundreds

The Chair of the Arizona GOP is now calling for another audit

Audits will continue until the narrative takes hold.

[San Lumen]

Draft report of the Arizona “audit” coming out tomorrow didn’t just confirm Biden won-Biden actually gained votes in their recount, while Trump lost hundreds

The Chair of the Arizona GOP is now calling for another audit

I think it’s likely if they lose any election next year they will attempt to keep counting votes until they win.

Republicans should just openly say we don’t believe in free and fair elections and campaign on if we lose if was fraudulent.

[Antipatros]

The Chair of the Arizona GOP is now calling for another audit

Audits will continue until the narrative takes hold.

Who is the intended audience for these audits? The base seems to be sufficiently whipped up already.

You would think that anyone with any doubts about the "fraud" narrative would see the results of the recent Arizona audit and say "well, they didn't find any evidence there".

Is it a loyalty/brand building exercise on the part of state/local GOP politicians? "I'm the biggest Trump supporter ever, vote for me"?

[Kowani]

Audits will continue until the narrative takes hold.

Who is the intended audience for these audits? The base seems to be sufficiently whipped up already.

You would think that anyone with any doubts about the "fraud" narrative would see the results of the recent Arizona audit and say "well, they didn't find any evidence there".

Is it a loyalty/brand building exercise on the part of state/local GOP politicians? "I'm the biggest Trump supporter ever, vote for me"?

the claims aren’t supposed to add up. they know it’s bullshit. the objective is to maintain a constant drumbeat of lunacy so when state legislatures have to certify an election, the maniacs in the base threaten them with death if they don’t overturn it for republicans
it's the same trick that the right-wing media apparatus has always pulled-keeping people angry and afraid all the time so they can justify pushing the boundaries of what is permissible

[Antipatros]

Who is the intended audience for these audits? The base seems to be sufficiently whipped up already.

You would think that anyone with any doubts about the "fraud" narrative would see the results of the recent Arizona audit and say "well, they didn't find any evidence there".

Is it a loyalty/brand building exercise on the part of state/local GOP politicians? "I'm the biggest Trump supporter ever, vote for me"?

the claims aren’t supposed to add up. they know it’s bullshit. the objective is to maintain a constant drumbeat of lunacy so when state legislatures have to certify an election, the maniacs in the base threaten them with death if they don’t overturn it for republicans
it's the same trick that the right-wing media apparatus has always pulled-keeping people angry and afraid all the time so they can justify pushing the boundaries of what is permissible

Sort of similar to the response to the Benghazi controversy, then? Keep the war drums beating, keep the fires hot, keep the base pissed off and energized?

[Neutraligon]

Draft report of the Arizona “audit” coming out tomorrow didn’t just confirm Biden won-Biden actually gained votes in their recount, while Trump lost hundreds

The Chair of the Arizona GOP is now calling for another audit

Didn't the current auditors basically make that impossible due to the things they messed up?

[Antipatros]

The Chair of the Arizona GOP is now calling for another audit

Didn't the current auditors basically make that impossible due to the things they messed up?

Impossible is only a state of mind. If we squint really hard at these piles of paper we can find evidence of election-changing fraud. /s

[Kowani]

the claims aren’t supposed to add up. they know it’s bullshit. the objective is to maintain a constant drumbeat of lunacy so when state legislatures have to certify an election, the maniacs in the base threaten them with death if they don’t overturn it for republicans
it's the same trick that the right-wing media apparatus has always pulled-keeping people angry and afraid all the time so they can justify pushing the boundaries of what is permissible

Sort of similar to the response to the Benghazi controversy, then? Keep the war drums beating, keep the fires hot, keep the base pissed off and energized?

with two notable differences
these "audits" let them find more ways to make the administration of elections more difficult and byzantine, which makes it easier to justify stepping in and taking control of said administration (looking at you, georgia)

also, the consequences are worse

The Chair of the Arizona GOP is now calling for another audit

Didn't the current auditors basically make that impossible due to the things they messed up?

they don't care

in fact i'd say that's actually a boost to their stance

[Izandai]

Sort of similar to the response to the Benghazi controversy, then? Keep the war drums beating, keep the fires hot, keep the base pissed off and energized?

with two notable differences
these "audits" let them find more ways to make the administration of elections more difficult and byzantine, which makes it easier to justify stepping in and taking control of said administration (looking at you, georgia)

also, the consequences are worse

Didn't the current auditors basically make that impossible due to the things they messed up?

they don't care

in fact i'd say that's actually a boost to their stance

"See!? They won't let us do another audit! That PROVES that the whole thing is corrupt!"

[San Lumen]

Who is the intended audience for these audits? The base seems to be sufficiently whipped up already.

You would think that anyone with any doubts about the "fraud" narrative would see the results of the recent Arizona audit and say "well, they didn't find any evidence there".

Is it a loyalty/brand building exercise on the part of state/local GOP politicians? "I'm the biggest Trump supporter ever, vote for me"?

the claims aren’t supposed to add up. they know it’s bullshit. the objective is to maintain a constant drumbeat of lunacy so when state legislatures have to certify an election, the maniacs in the base threaten them with death if they don’t overturn it for republicans
it's the same trick that the right-wing media apparatus has always pulled-keeping people angry and afraid all the time so they can justify pushing the boundaries of what is permissible

Overturning an election will lead to mass protests the likes of which this country has never seen.

[Kowani]

the claims aren’t supposed to add up. they know it’s bullshit. the objective is to maintain a constant drumbeat of lunacy so when state legislatures have to certify an election, the maniacs in the base threaten them with death if they don’t overturn it for republicans
it's the same trick that the right-wing media apparatus has always pulled-keeping people angry and afraid all the time so they can justify pushing the boundaries of what is permissible

Overturning an election will lead to mass protests the likes of which this country has never seen.

they know that too
this is part of the plan
you are dealing with a party that would rather let the country burn than lose power
it's time to start recalibrating your expectations

[Punished UMN]

He took out the two highest ranking ones who dominated the establishment and had them replaced with flunkies.

I always thought/heard that once the Night of the Long Knives happened, the military as a whole pretty much came to support Hitler. There were a few exceptions (both then and throughout his regime), but Hitler ultimately gave the military a lot of what they wanted. The Reichswehr had been secretly pursuing rearmament during the interwar period (now they could pursue it freely), and the more radical/problematic elements of the Nazi party had been dealt with.

EDIT: The German military leadership also supported the idea of war against Germany's enemies. Their reservation was that Hitler was being too fast and too aggressive. They were also not supporters of German democracy by any means.

Yes, but that's an important distinction. Hitler didn't ally with the military, an alliance implies that both parties retain separate agency. Hitler forcibly subordinated the military to the Nazi Party.

[San Lumen]

Overturning an election will lead to mass protests the likes of which this country has never seen.

they know that too
this is part of the plan
you are dealing with a party that would rather let the country burn than lose power
it's time to start recalibrating your expectations

and what are they going to do about that? Break up the protests?

[Ifreann]

the claims aren’t supposed to add up. they know it’s bullshit. the objective is to maintain a constant drumbeat of lunacy so when state legislatures have to certify an election, the maniacs in the base threaten them with death if they don’t overturn it for republicans
it's the same trick that the right-wing media apparatus has always pulled-keeping people angry and afraid all the time so they can justify pushing the boundaries of what is permissible

Overturning an election will lead to mass protests the likes of which this country has never seen.

The protests against the Iraq war were, I believe, the biggest in human history.

Iraq war still happened.

[Antipatros]

they know that too
this is part of the plan
you are dealing with a party that would rather let the country burn than lose power
it's time to start recalibrating your expectations

and what are they going to do about that? Break up the protests?

[San Lumen]

and what are they going to do about that? Break up the protests?

and that will only make them grow.

[Kowani]

they know that too
this is part of the plan
you are dealing with a party that would rather let the country burn than lose power
it's time to start recalibrating your expectations

and what are they going to do about that? Break up the protests?

we literally just had an entire summer of this

[San Lumen]

and what are they going to do about that? Break up the protests?

we literally just had an entire summer of this

When you overturn an election and then break up those protests the unrest and demonstrations that will follow will make the Floyd protests look like nothing.

[Diahon]

we literally just had an entire summer of this

When you overturn an election and then break up those protests the unrest and demonstrations that will follow will make the Floyd protests look like nothing.

they
do
not
give
a
shit

[San Lumen]

When you overturn an election and then break up those protests the unrest and demonstrations that will follow will make the Floyd protests look like nothing.

they
do
not
give
a
shit

Then they will watch as the country tears itself asunder like John Dickinson predicted.

[Diahon]

they
do
not
give
a
shit

Then they will watch as the country tears itself asunder like John Dickinson predicated.

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[Postauthoritarian America]

Draft report of the Arizona “audit” coming out tomorrow didn’t just confirm Biden won-Biden actually gained votes in their recount, while Trump lost hundreds

The Chair of the Arizona GOP is now calling for another audit

Faux News is leading with the search for Brian Laundrie; the WSJ Editorial Report was all about Hunter Biden's emails (really). Outside the Trump unreality bubble folks are moving on.