Northern Connecticut wrote:When the republicans win, everyone's gonna be like: NOOOOOOOOO BRING BACK THE FILIBUSTER!!!!!!!!
The pendulum swings back and forth, pal.
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by Picairn » Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:54 am
Northern Connecticut wrote:When the republicans win, everyone's gonna be like: NOOOOOOOOO BRING BACK THE FILIBUSTER!!!!!!!!
by Kilobugya » Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:55 am
Northern Connecticut wrote:Getting rid of the filibuster be like:
Every body Gangsta till the republicans win the senate and pass all the laws the dems don't like.
by Antipatros » Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:57 am
by Washington Resistance Army » Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:58 am
Kilobugya wrote:Northern Connecticut wrote:Getting rid of the filibuster be like:
Every body Gangsta till the republicans win the senate and pass all the laws the dems don't like.
They would need the trifecta, the Senate and the House and the Presidency to do that. And not having the filibuster will allow the Democrats to pass voting rights bills that would actually make it much less likely for the GOP to seize the trifecta, since the GOP is supported by only a minority of the population (they won the popular vote only once since 1992, and that was just after 9-11), and can only hold to power because of gerrymandering and voter suppression.
by Tarsonis » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:00 am
Picairn wrote:Northern Connecticut wrote:Getting rid of the filibuster be like:
Every body Gangsta till the republicans win the senate and pass all the laws the dems don't like.
Fun fact, when the Dems win back the Senate there's nothing stopping them too. And certain programs have become the third rail, such as Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.
by Kilobugya » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:00 am
Antipatros wrote:I oscillate back and forth on whether or not our current system is too prone to gridlock or if it is working as intended. The steep increase in the use of the filibuster in recent times definitely points to a sickened political culture.
by Picairn » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:01 am
Tarsonis wrote:Good job at missing the point
by Kilobugya » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:01 am
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Kilobugya wrote:
They would need the trifecta, the Senate and the House and the Presidency to do that. And not having the filibuster will allow the Democrats to pass voting rights bills that would actually make it much less likely for the GOP to seize the trifecta, since the GOP is supported by only a minority of the population (they won the popular vote only once since 1992, and that was just after 9-11), and can only hold to power because of gerrymandering and voter suppression.
They don't need full public majority support to win the trifecta. Fucking Donald Trump had the trifecta at the start of his presidency, think about that and what it would have entailed with no filibuster. Getting rid of it is still supremely stupid.
by Tarsonis » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:03 am
by Washington Resistance Army » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:04 am
Kilobugya wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
They don't need full public majority support to win the trifecta. Fucking Donald Trump had the trifecta at the start of his presidency, think about that and what it would have entailed with no filibuster. Getting rid of it is still supremely stupid.
Donald Trump had the trifecta at the start of his presidency because of gerrymandering and voter suppression. And those can't be fought because of the filibuster. Thanks for proving my point.
by Picairn » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:04 am
Tarsonis wrote: No, you demonstrated your inability to comprehend anything beyond 5 minutes in the future
by Northern Connecticut » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:06 am
by Antipatros » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:06 am
Kilobugya wrote:Antipatros wrote:I oscillate back and forth on whether or not our current system is too prone to gridlock or if it is working as intended. The steep increase in the use of the filibuster in recent times definitely points to a sickened political culture.
It's both a symptom and a cause. The gridlock situation comes from the GOP no longer being a reasonable party but being a far-right personality cult. But that is also something made possible by the gridlock situation, the GOP would be unable to win much elections without voter suppression, gerrymandering, Electoral College, ... which can't be solved because of gridlock.
by Tarsonis » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:07 am
by Ifreann » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:09 am
Northern Connecticut wrote:Getting rid of the filibuster be like:
Every body Gangsta till the republicans win the senate and pass all the laws the dems don't like.
by Tarsonis » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:12 am
Ifreann wrote:Northern Connecticut wrote:Getting rid of the filibuster be like:
Every body Gangsta till the republicans win the senate and pass all the laws the dems don't like.
That's a point you would only sincerely make if you were a Democrat who feared Republican control of the Senate. But I would conclude from your pro-cop flag that you are more aligned with the Republicans. So it doesn't make sense for you to warn Democrats not to do away with the filibuster, not if you really believe that it would ultimately benefit Republicans. If you really believed that abolishing the filibuster would be a win for Republicans then you'd just quietly gloat among your Republican friends about the Democrats shooting themselves in the foot, and say nothing around Democrats for fear of them realising their mistake.
Republicans would only warn against abolishing the filibuster if they believed that they would lose if Democrats started actually wielding power. No Republican with even a speck of political savvy would give real, honest advice to the Democrats on how to beat the Republicans. Not even Donald Trump would go around telling his political enemies how to make sure they win and he loses.
by Kilobugya » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:13 am
Washington Resistance Army wrote:No, Kilo, they just straight got more votes to win that trifecta. They beat the Dems for control of the House by a margin of 2,000,000 or so. All it takes for the GOP to get a trifecta is low Democrat enthusiasm and turnout. You're either aggressively naïve or you just haven't thought this through.
by Northern Connecticut » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:14 am
Ifreann wrote:Northern Connecticut wrote:Getting rid of the filibuster be like:
Every body Gangsta till the republicans win the senate and pass all the laws the dems don't like.
That's a point you would only sincerely make if you were a Democrat who feared Republican control of the Senate. But I would conclude from your pro-cop flag that you are more aligned with the Republicans. So it doesn't make sense for you to warn Democrats not to do away with the filibuster, not if you really believe that it would ultimately benefit Republicans. If you really believed that abolishing the filibuster would be a win for Republicans then you'd just quietly gloat among your Republican friends about the Democrats shooting themselves in the foot, and say nothing around Democrats for fear of them realising their mistake.
Republicans would only warn against abolishing the filibuster if they believed that they would lose if Democrats started actually wielding power. No Republican with even a speck of political savvy would give real, honest advice to the Democrats on how to beat the Republicans. Not even Donald Trump would go around telling his political enemies how to make sure they win and he loses.
by The Reformed American Republic » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:15 am
Tarsonis wrote:Ifreann wrote:That's a point you would only sincerely make if you were a Democrat who feared Republican control of the Senate. But I would conclude from your pro-cop flag that you are more aligned with the Republicans. So it doesn't make sense for you to warn Democrats not to do away with the filibuster, not if you really believe that it would ultimately benefit Republicans. If you really believed that abolishing the filibuster would be a win for Republicans then you'd just quietly gloat among your Republican friends about the Democrats shooting themselves in the foot, and say nothing around Democrats for fear of them realising their mistake.
Republicans would only warn against abolishing the filibuster if they believed that they would lose if Democrats started actually wielding power. No Republican with even a speck of political savvy would give real, honest advice to the Democrats on how to beat the Republicans. Not even Donald Trump would go around telling his political enemies how to make sure they win and he loses.
Love the smell of cynicism in the morning
by Tarsonis » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:20 am
by Northern Connecticut » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:21 am
by Kilobugya » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:22 am
Northern Connecticut wrote:I outta report you jerks for flamebaiting.
by Tarsonis » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:23 am
Northern Connecticut wrote:I outta report you jerks for flamebaiting.
by Picairn » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:24 am
Tarsonis wrote:I understood you argument.
Your mentality is the problem, not the solution. You're not half as clever as you think you are.
by Northern Connecticut » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:24 am
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