American Politics VII: Virginia Reel

[Alcala-Cordel]

Your compulsive need to lay all societal problems at the feet of government and none at capitalism is what leads to these bad takes.
What you fail to realize is that capitalism and government are really just two sides of the same coin.

How are they the same coin? Walmart, Apple, and Google don't have armed units that make me buy their services. The government does. Not at all the same.

I will starve to death alone in the streets if I don't buy things.

[Rusozak]

hahahahahahahaha jesus bloody christ

just build fucking decent facilities for them while their asylum claims and whatelse are processed, goddammit

what possible reason could there be to expel them, to send them back to a country that hasn't righted itself since the latter half of the nineteenth century? just let them live

I propose a swap. Welcome all of them here, and give them the population of Florida.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Biden prepares massive deportation of Haitian migrants

The Biden administration plans the widescale expulsion of Haitian migrants from a small Texas border city by putting them on on flights to Haiti starting Sunday, an official said Friday, representing a swift and dramatic response to thousands who suddenly crossed the border from Mexico and gathered under and around a bridge.

Details are yet to be finalized but will likely involve five to eight flights a day, according to the official with direct knowledge of the plans who was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity. San Antonio, the nearest major city, may be among the departure cities.

Another administration official speaking on condition of anonymity expected two flights a day at most and said all migrants would be tested for COVID-19.

U.S. authorities closed traffic to vehicles and pedestrians in both directions at the only border crossing in Del Rio, Texas, after chaos unfolded Friday and presented the administration with a new and immediate challenge as it tries to manage large numbers of asylum-seekers who have been reaching U.S. soil.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection said it was closing the border crossing with Ciudad Acuna, Mexico, “to respond to urgent safety and security needs.” Travelers were being directed to Eagle Pass, Texas, 57 miles (91 kilometers) away.

Haitians crossed the Rio Grande freely and in a steady stream, going back and forth between the U.S. and Mexico through knee-deep water, with some parents carrying small children on their shoulders. Unable to buy supplies in the U.S., they returned briefly to Mexico for food and cardboard to settle, temporarily at least, under or near the bridge in Del Rio, a city of 35,000 that has been severely strained by migrant flows in recent months.

Migrants pitched tents and built makeshift shelters from giant reeds known as carrizo cane. Many bathed and washed clothing in the river.

The vast majority of the migrants at the bridge on Friday were Haitian, said Val Verde County Judge Lewis Owens, who is the county’s top elected official and whose jurisdiction includes Del Rio. Some families have been under the bridge for as long as six days. Trash piles were 10 feet (3.1 meters) wide, and at least two women have given birth, including one who tested positive for COVID-19 after being taken to a hospital, Owens said.

Val Verde County Sheriff Frank Joe Martinez estimated the crowd at 13,700 and said more Haitians were traveling through Mexico by bus.

The flight plan, while potentially massive in scale, hinges on how Haitians respond. They may face a choice: stay put at the risk of being sent back to their impoverished homeland -- wracked by poverty, political instability and a recent earthquake — or return to Mexico. Unaccompanied children are exempt from fast-track expulsions.

About 500 Haitians were ordered off buses by Mexican immigration authorities in the state of Tamaulipas, about 120 miles (200 kilometers) south of the Texas border, the state government said in a news release Friday. They continued toward the border on foot.

Haitians have been migrating to the U.S. in large numbers from South America for several years, many of them having left the Caribbean nation after a devastating earthquake in 2010. After jobs dried up from the 2016 Summer Olympics in Rio de Janeiro, many made the dangerous trek by foot, bus and car to the U.S. border, including through the infamous Darien Gap, a Panamanian jungle.

It is unclear how such a large number amassed so quickly, though many Haitians have been assembling in camps on the Mexican side of the border, including in Tijuana, across from San Diego, to wait while deciding whether to attempt to enter the United States.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security did not respond to a request for comment. “We will address it accordingly,” Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said on MSNBC.

An administration official, who was not authorized to address the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity, said the action is not targeting Haitians specifically and does not reflect a policy shift, just a continuation of normal practices.

The Federal Aviation Administration, acting on a Border Patrol request, restricted drone flights around the bridge until Sept. 30, generally barring operations at or below 1,000 feet (305 meters) unless for security or law enforcement purposes.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, a Republican and frequent critic of President Joe Biden, said federal officials told him migrants under the bridge would be moved by the Defense Department to Arizona, California and elsewhere on the Texas border.

Some Haitians at the camp have lived in Mexican cities on the U.S. border for some time, moving often between them, while others arrived recently after being stuck near Mexico’s southern border with Guatemala, said Nicole Phillips, the legal director for advocacy group Haitian Bridge Alliance. A sense of desperation spread after the Biden administration ended its practice of admitting asylum-seeking migrants daily who were deemed especially vulnerable.

“People are panicking on how they seek refuge,” Phillips said.

Edgar Rodríguez, lawyer for the Casa del Migrante migrant shelter in Piedras Negras, north of Del Rio, noticed an increase of Haitians in the area two or three weeks ago and believes that misinformation may have played a part. Migrants often make decisions on false rumors that policies are about to change and that enforcement policies vary by city.

God, it's just fucking evil. People desperately come here for help and they get put in concentration camps and thrown out like garbage. There needs to be just as much of an outcry now than there was under Trump, only moreso.

[The Alma Mater]

Yes that's right THAT is the horrifying example, not the utterly dehumanizing abortion law that Texas just introduced.

You mean the law that is a good step towards recognizing that a fertilized egg is new human life? That HUMANIZING law?

If a fertilised egg is a human life, all sexually active women must hand in their tampaxes every month. Up to 50 percent of all fertilised eggs fail to implant naturally after all - ending up in a toilet or trashcan.

[Antipatros]

Biden prepares massive deportation of Haitian migrants

The Biden administration plans the widescale expulsion of Haitian migrants from a small Texas border city by putting them on on flights to Haiti starting Sunday, an official said Friday, representing a swift and dramatic response to thousands who suddenly crossed the border from Mexico and gathered under and around a bridge.

Details are yet to be finalized but will likely involve five to eight flights a day, according to the official with direct knowledge of the plans who was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity. San Antonio, the nearest major city, may be among the departure cities.

Another administration official speaking on condition of anonymity expected two flights a day at most and said all migrants would be tested for COVID-19.

U.S. authorities closed traffic to vehicles and pedestrians in both directions at the only border crossing in Del Rio, Texas, after chaos unfolded Friday and presented the administration with a new and immediate challenge as it tries to manage large numbers of asylum-seekers who have been reaching U.S. soil.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection said it was closing the border crossing with Ciudad Acuna, Mexico, “to respond to urgent safety and security needs.” Travelers were being directed to Eagle Pass, Texas, 57 miles (91 kilometers) away.

Haitians crossed the Rio Grande freely and in a steady stream, going back and forth between the U.S. and Mexico through knee-deep water, with some parents carrying small children on their shoulders. Unable to buy supplies in the U.S., they returned briefly to Mexico for food and cardboard to settle, temporarily at least, under or near the bridge in Del Rio, a city of 35,000 that has been severely strained by migrant flows in recent months.

Migrants pitched tents and built makeshift shelters from giant reeds known as carrizo cane. Many bathed and washed clothing in the river.

The vast majority of the migrants at the bridge on Friday were Haitian, said Val Verde County Judge Lewis Owens, who is the county’s top elected official and whose jurisdiction includes Del Rio. Some families have been under the bridge for as long as six days. Trash piles were 10 feet (3.1 meters) wide, and at least two women have given birth, including one who tested positive for COVID-19 after being taken to a hospital, Owens said.

Val Verde County Sheriff Frank Joe Martinez estimated the crowd at 13,700 and said more Haitians were traveling through Mexico by bus.

The flight plan, while potentially massive in scale, hinges on how Haitians respond. They may face a choice: stay put at the risk of being sent back to their impoverished homeland -- wracked by poverty, political instability and a recent earthquake — or return to Mexico. Unaccompanied children are exempt from fast-track expulsions.

About 500 Haitians were ordered off buses by Mexican immigration authorities in the state of Tamaulipas, about 120 miles (200 kilometers) south of the Texas border, the state government said in a news release Friday. They continued toward the border on foot.

Haitians have been migrating to the U.S. in large numbers from South America for several years, many of them having left the Caribbean nation after a devastating earthquake in 2010. After jobs dried up from the 2016 Summer Olympics in Rio de Janeiro, many made the dangerous trek by foot, bus and car to the U.S. border, including through the infamous Darien Gap, a Panamanian jungle.

It is unclear how such a large number amassed so quickly, though many Haitians have been assembling in camps on the Mexican side of the border, including in Tijuana, across from San Diego, to wait while deciding whether to attempt to enter the United States.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security did not respond to a request for comment. “We will address it accordingly,” Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said on MSNBC.

An administration official, who was not authorized to address the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity, said the action is not targeting Haitians specifically and does not reflect a policy shift, just a continuation of normal practices.

The Federal Aviation Administration, acting on a Border Patrol request, restricted drone flights around the bridge until Sept. 30, generally barring operations at or below 1,000 feet (305 meters) unless for security or law enforcement purposes.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, a Republican and frequent critic of President Joe Biden, said federal officials told him migrants under the bridge would be moved by the Defense Department to Arizona, California and elsewhere on the Texas border.

Some Haitians at the camp have lived in Mexican cities on the U.S. border for some time, moving often between them, while others arrived recently after being stuck near Mexico’s southern border with Guatemala, said Nicole Phillips, the legal director for advocacy group Haitian Bridge Alliance. A sense of desperation spread after the Biden administration ended its practice of admitting asylum-seeking migrants daily who were deemed especially vulnerable.

“People are panicking on how they seek refuge,” Phillips said.

Edgar Rodríguez, lawyer for the Casa del Migrante migrant shelter in Piedras Negras, north of Del Rio, noticed an increase of Haitians in the area two or three weeks ago and believes that misinformation may have played a part. Migrants often make decisions on false rumors that policies are about to change and that enforcement policies vary by city.

Haitians always get the short end of the stick, don't they? Their entire history is tragic and depressing.

[Diahon]

Haitians always get the short end of the stick, don't they? Their entire history is tragic and depressing.

just an unrelieved depression of utterly consistent suckage, that it is

[Vassenor]

Yes that's right THAT is the horrifying example, not the utterly dehumanizing abortion law that Texas just introduced.

You mean the law that is a good step towards recognizing that a fertilized egg is new human life? That HUMANIZING law?

>talks at length about the importance of freedom and rights

>wants to strip women of the freedom to excercise control over their own body and thus their right to bodily autonomy

#seemslegit

[San Lumen]

Yes that's right THAT is the horrifying example, not the utterly dehumanizing abortion law that Texas just introduced.

You mean the law that is a good step towards recognizing that a fertilized egg is new human life? That HUMANIZING law?

A fertilized egg is not a person. It has zero rights. If your going to make a fetus a person it has more rights than the mother does.

In the case of rape or incest a woman should not be forced to carry a child to term she doesn’t want. Many turn to the innocent defense here. A fetus isn’t sentient therefore It cannot have innocence

[The Reformed American Republic]

Biden prepares massive deportation of Haitian migrants

The Biden administration plans the widescale expulsion of Haitian migrants from a small Texas border city by putting them on on flights to Haiti starting Sunday, an official said Friday, representing a swift and dramatic response to thousands who suddenly crossed the border from Mexico and gathered under and around a bridge.

Details are yet to be finalized but will likely involve five to eight flights a day, according to the official with direct knowledge of the plans who was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity. San Antonio, the nearest major city, may be among the departure cities.

Another administration official speaking on condition of anonymity expected two flights a day at most and said all migrants would be tested for COVID-19.

U.S. authorities closed traffic to vehicles and pedestrians in both directions at the only border crossing in Del Rio, Texas, after chaos unfolded Friday and presented the administration with a new and immediate challenge as it tries to manage large numbers of asylum-seekers who have been reaching U.S. soil.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection said it was closing the border crossing with Ciudad Acuna, Mexico, “to respond to urgent safety and security needs.” Travelers were being directed to Eagle Pass, Texas, 57 miles (91 kilometers) away.

Haitians crossed the Rio Grande freely and in a steady stream, going back and forth between the U.S. and Mexico through knee-deep water, with some parents carrying small children on their shoulders. Unable to buy supplies in the U.S., they returned briefly to Mexico for food and cardboard to settle, temporarily at least, under or near the bridge in Del Rio, a city of 35,000 that has been severely strained by migrant flows in recent months.

Migrants pitched tents and built makeshift shelters from giant reeds known as carrizo cane. Many bathed and washed clothing in the river.

The vast majority of the migrants at the bridge on Friday were Haitian, said Val Verde County Judge Lewis Owens, who is the county’s top elected official and whose jurisdiction includes Del Rio. Some families have been under the bridge for as long as six days. Trash piles were 10 feet (3.1 meters) wide, and at least two women have given birth, including one who tested positive for COVID-19 after being taken to a hospital, Owens said.

Val Verde County Sheriff Frank Joe Martinez estimated the crowd at 13,700 and said more Haitians were traveling through Mexico by bus.

The flight plan, while potentially massive in scale, hinges on how Haitians respond. They may face a choice: stay put at the risk of being sent back to their impoverished homeland -- wracked by poverty, political instability and a recent earthquake — or return to Mexico. Unaccompanied children are exempt from fast-track expulsions.

About 500 Haitians were ordered off buses by Mexican immigration authorities in the state of Tamaulipas, about 120 miles (200 kilometers) south of the Texas border, the state government said in a news release Friday. They continued toward the border on foot.

Haitians have been migrating to the U.S. in large numbers from South America for several years, many of them having left the Caribbean nation after a devastating earthquake in 2010. After jobs dried up from the 2016 Summer Olympics in Rio de Janeiro, many made the dangerous trek by foot, bus and car to the U.S. border, including through the infamous Darien Gap, a Panamanian jungle.

It is unclear how such a large number amassed so quickly, though many Haitians have been assembling in camps on the Mexican side of the border, including in Tijuana, across from San Diego, to wait while deciding whether to attempt to enter the United States.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security did not respond to a request for comment. “We will address it accordingly,” Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said on MSNBC.

An administration official, who was not authorized to address the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity, said the action is not targeting Haitians specifically and does not reflect a policy shift, just a continuation of normal practices.

The Federal Aviation Administration, acting on a Border Patrol request, restricted drone flights around the bridge until Sept. 30, generally barring operations at or below 1,000 feet (305 meters) unless for security or law enforcement purposes.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, a Republican and frequent critic of President Joe Biden, said federal officials told him migrants under the bridge would be moved by the Defense Department to Arizona, California and elsewhere on the Texas border.

Some Haitians at the camp have lived in Mexican cities on the U.S. border for some time, moving often between them, while others arrived recently after being stuck near Mexico’s southern border with Guatemala, said Nicole Phillips, the legal director for advocacy group Haitian Bridge Alliance. A sense of desperation spread after the Biden administration ended its practice of admitting asylum-seeking migrants daily who were deemed especially vulnerable.

“People are panicking on how they seek refuge,” Phillips said.

Edgar Rodríguez, lawyer for the Casa del Migrante migrant shelter in Piedras Negras, north of Del Rio, noticed an increase of Haitians in the area two or three weeks ago and believes that misinformation may have played a part. Migrants often make decisions on false rumors that policies are about to change and that enforcement policies vary by city.

God, it's just fucking evil. People desperately come here for help and they get put in concentration camps and thrown out like garbage. There needs to be just as much of an outcry now than there was under Trump, only moreso.

We accept many asylum seekers and we cannot have open borders. Yes, its sad, but but we cannot have completely open borders and a welfare state.

[Gravlen]

God, it's just fucking evil. People desperately come here for help and they get put in concentration camps and thrown out like garbage. There needs to be just as much of an outcry now than there was under Trump, only moreso.

We accept many asylum seekers and we cannot have open borders. Yes, its sad, but but we cannot have completely open borders and a welfare state.

You could also follow the laws on the books, instead of breaking them. It's a choice.

[Myrensis]

You mean the law that is a good step towards recognizing that a fertilized egg is new human life? That HUMANIZING law?

If a fertilised egg is a human life, all sexually active women must hand in their tampaxes every month. Up to 50 percent of all fertilised eggs fail to implant naturally after all - ending up in a toilet or trashcan.

We'll also need to require that every miscarriage be reported and investigated by police, with negligent homicide charges for women (and the fathers as accomplices) found not to be abiding by government approved diet and prenatal care routines. After all, if the fertilized egg is a human life, then a pregnant woman drinking alcohol or eating poorly or failing to to get prenatal care and having a miscarriage is no different from a mother pouring liquor down a childs throat or starving it to death or letting it die of sickness or injury rather than seeking medical help.

At least we would if pro-lifers actually believed their own bullshit, or gave two shits about the "baby" or the "sanctity of life", guess it's lucky that all they actually care about is making sure those dirty whores are punished for their sinful behavior.

[The Jamesian Republic]

We accept many asylum seekers and we cannot have open borders. Yes, its sad, but but we cannot have completely open borders and a welfare state.

You could also follow the laws on the books, instead of breaking them. It's a choice.

I know they want to find refuge but you can’t bombard the border.

[Kilobugya]

At least we would if pro-lifers actually believed their own bullshit

Well, the fact that most of them (not all sure, but the overwhelming majority, especially among the leadership) stop caring the slightest for the babies well-being once they are born tells all we need to know about them not really carrying about babies, but about controlling women.

[Gravlen]

You could also follow the laws on the books, instead of breaking them. It's a choice.

I know they want to find refuge but you can’t bombard the border.

But the government can break the law?

[Gravlen]

If a fertilised egg is a human life, all sexually active women must hand in their tampaxes every month. Up to 50 percent of all fertilised eggs fail to implant naturally after all - ending up in a toilet or trashcan.

We'll also need to require that every miscarriage be reported and investigated by police, with negligent homicide charges for women (and the fathers as accomplices) found not to be abiding by government approved diet and prenatal care routines. After all, if the fertilized egg is a human life, then a pregnant woman drinking alcohol or eating poorly or failing to to get prenatal care and having a miscarriage is no different from a mother pouring liquor down a childs throat or starving it to death or letting it die of sickness or injury rather than seeking medical help.

At least we would if pro-lifers actually believed their own bullshit, or gave two shits about the "baby" or the "sanctity of life", guess it's lucky that all they actually care about is making sure those dirty whores are punished for their sinful behavior.

And let us not forget, in Texas, that sinful behavior includes being raped.

[Kowani]

there is a "Justice for January 6th Political Prisoners" rally going on at the capitol right now and though i don't expect anything big to happen i'll keep an eye on it so we're not blindsided like we were on the actual january 6th

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Defying both the Court of Appeals and the Arizona Senate, the Cyber Ninjas won't turn over public records

Cyber Ninjas won’t hand over all of the documents that Senate President Karen Fann requested from the review it conducted of the 2020 election in Maricopa County, despite an order by the Arizona Court of Appeals that all such records be made public.

Attorney Jack Wilenchik, who represents the Florida-based company that led the election review that Fann ordered, argued to the Senate’s lawyer that the staffing records and internal communications are not public records, and said Cyber Ninjas will not turn them over as the Senate president requested. The company will provide “full financial statements” about the audit, either as part of the report that will become public on Sept. 24, or shortly thereafter, Wilenchik wrote in an email to Senate attorney Kory Langhofer on Friday. And it will provide its communications with the Senate, which have not been made public, and any updated policies and procedures its subcontractors have used during the audit.

But staffing records, as well as internal communications and communications with subcontractors, are private records, Wilenchik wrote. For example, Wilenchik said it would not be “practical, workable, fair or legal” for the company to be forced to turn over internal company emails about staffing and Cyber Ninjas’ performance of its contract with the Senate.

“If the case were otherwise, then it would set an extremely unsettling precedent for all government contractors in this state and make it impossible for the State to do business,” Wilenchik wrote.

Furthermore, Wilenchik said Fann’s request for all records that have “a substantial nexus to the audit” — a phrase that the Arizona Court of Appeals used to describe documents that the Senate must obtain and publicly release under the state’s public records law — is vague and difficult to define. Fann’s request for “all records that are reasonably necessary or appropriate to maintain an accurate knowledge” of the audit is also undefined, Wilenchik wrote, but Cyber Ninjas believes the Senate already has all the records it needs. He noted that the Senate had multiple liaisons who observed audit operations on a daily basis, and that election review activities were live-streamed on the internet at all times.

“I also emphasize that, while CNI intends to produce documents out of goodwill and its commitment to transparency, by sending this communication CNI does not concede the existence or scope of any involuntary legal obligation to do so,” Wilenchik wrote in the email, referring to Cyber Ninjas, Inc.

Cyber Ninjas likely won’t have the final say on whether its obligation to turn over records is involuntary. The Court of Appeals ruled that the Senate must acquire and make public all documents with a “substantial nexus” to the audit, regardless of whether those documents are held exclusively by private contractors. The contract that Cyber Ninjas signed with Fann in March requires the company to provide “information or documents” she requests for the purpose of settling legal claims. Roopali Desai, an attorney representing American Oversight, the liberal nonprofit group that sued the Senate over the records, said it’s the Senate’s responsibility to obtain the documents from Cyber Ninjas.

“Our view is that the defendant in our case is the Senate. They are responsible for their contractors and subcontractors. They can and should and must get these documents. The public records law requires it. They have independent subpoena power. They have contractual rights. There’s lots of different ways that they can hold their subcontractors accountable,” Desai told the Arizona Mirror.

If Cyber Ninjas wants to continue the fight in court, it appears the company will be on its own and won’t have any assistance from the Senate, which led the legal battle against American Oversight for months.

In a letter to Wilenchik on Friday, Langhofer said Cyber Ninjas’ refusal to turn over some records jeopardizes the Senate’s ability to comply with the Court of Appeals order, and any decision by the company not to comply with Fann’s request for documents would be “prejudicial to the legal interests of the Senate and its officers.”

“The Senate will not support or advance any legal claim, defense, or position espoused by CNI that has the effect of limiting or delaying CNI’s compliance with the Senate’s September 14 request,” Langhofer told Wilenchik.

Langhofer informed the judges in public records lawsuits brought by both American Oversight and the parent company of The Arizona Republic that “(t)he interests of the Senate and Cyber Ninjas have diverged on this issue.”

Cyber Ninjas has produced four documents so far in response to the Senate’s request, Langhofer said. Those records pertain to training, policies for counting ballots, tally sheets and documents detailing the chain-of-custody for those sheets.

Wilenchik also indicated that the documents Cyber Ninjas is willing to turn over could be delayed by Logan’s work on the long-delayed audit report, which he will present to the Senate on Sept. 24.

Fann requested a cache of documents from Cyber Ninjas after the Arizona Supreme Court refused to accept her appeal of the appellate court ruling that documents in the possession of contractors hired to perform a review of the 2020 general election in Maricopa County

The Senate’s fight over public records isn’t over either. The Senate has turned over tens of thousands of pages of documents in response to American Oversight’s lawsuit, but has withheld several thousand pages on grounds of legislative privilege. Desai filed a motion on Friday asking Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Michael Kemp to order the release of those documents.

[Antipatros]

The fact that the "Justice for J6" rally isn't being roundly condemned by our elected leaders kinda shows how fucked this country is.

Lots of Republican leaders are basically keeping quiet about it.

[The Reformed American Republic]

The fact that the "Justice for J6" rally isn't being roundly condemned by our elected leaders kinda shows how fucked this country is.

Lots of Republican leaders are basically keeping quiet about it.

I expect more violence. I hope we don't become like the Wiemar Republic where we have an economic collapse and various coups before falling to a totalitarian regime.

[Eahland]

God, it's just fucking evil. People desperately come here for help and they get put in concentration camps and thrown out like garbage. There needs to be just as much of an outcry now than there was under Trump, only moreso.

We accept many asylum seekers and we cannot have open borders. Yes, its sad, but but we cannot have completely open borders and a welfare state.

We totally can. A few thousand refugees aren't even a drop in the bucket of a nation of 330 million. And immigrants in general are, anyway, not a load on our economy, but fuel for it.

[The Reformed American Republic]

We accept many asylum seekers and we cannot have open borders. Yes, its sad, but but we cannot have completely open borders and a welfare state.

We totally can. A few thousand refugees aren't even a drop in the bucket of a nation of 330 million. And immigrants in general are, anyway, not a load on our economy, but fuel for it.

Completely open borders? Absolutely not, nor is the act of enforcing borders inherently out of line.

[Kowani]

The fact that the "Justice for J6" rally isn't being roundly condemned by our elected leaders kinda shows how fucked this country is.

Lots of Republican leaders are basically keeping quiet about it.

I expect more violence. I hope we don't become like the Wiemar Republic where we have an economic collapse and various coups before falling to a totalitarian regime.

we'll have more violence in the future but im not certain about this particular rally
Republicans have diassociated from this event, Trump called it a setup, there's no big-name speakers to attract anyone and there are cops everywhere this time (unlike before)
and if you watch their online spaces, all the most radicalized people have been telling each other it's a fed trap, so there'll just be the GOP equivalent of libs
people who genuinely believe the Jan 6 people did nothing wrong, but wouldn't ever actually dream of doing something like that themselves

[The Reformed American Republic]

I expect more violence. I hope we don't become like the Wiemar Republic where we have an economic collapse and various coups before falling to a totalitarian regime.

we'll have more violence in the future but im not certain about this particular rally
Republicans have diassociated from this event, Trump called it a setup, there's no big-name speakers to attract anyone and there are cops everywhere this time (unlike before)
and if you watch their online spaces, all the most radicalized people have been telling each other it's a fed trap, so there'll just be the GOP equivalent of libs
people who genuinely believe the Jan 6 people did nothing wrong, but wouldn't ever actually dream of doing something like that themselves

Even if this rally is a flop, I expect more in the future that are not so much. Unfortunately, we know January sixth is just the beginning.

[Kowani]

Meanwhile, Trump asks Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) to decertify the election (no you have not gone back in time)

[San Lumen]

Meanwhile, Trump asks Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) to decertify the election (no you have not gone back in time)

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I’m almost certain there is no mechanism for that and is unconstitutional.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Meanwhile, Trump asks Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) to decertify the election (no you have not gone back in time)

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I’m almost certain there is no mechanism for that and is unconstitutional.

No, but it could provide thin justification for a coup, whether there is a provision in the constitution that allows them to do that or not.