This is kind of a fucked up thing to observe, but the crowd is definitely quite white (not entirely, of course). On the other hand, the people that are providing testimonials are often non-white.
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by Antipatros » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:48 pm
by The Black Forrest » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:51 pm
by Senkaku » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:52 pm
Antipatros wrote:Senkaku wrote:You seem to think the issue here is that someone’s saying Gen. Milley is a bad dude who did the wrong thing; it’s not, it’s that already weak civilian control of the military (the only institution which commands social trust) has been weakened enough that the civilian government may be so afflicted by crisis that it has to fully turn over national security and foreign policy to the military for periods as it sorts out a succession process. Fortunately our military are indoctrinated to respect civilian control, and they returned it as soon as possible and with as little media attention as possible, but again: think about how this plays if you’re an outsider and you get the call from Washington that this is happening.
Really this sort of thing should never happen. It should never even cross a general's mind that such a course of action may be necessary. The US is not supposed to be like this. It is now though, and things are probably going to get worse, not better.
by Conservative Republic Of Huang » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:54 pm
Antipatros wrote:Senkaku wrote:You seem to think the issue here is that someone’s saying Gen. Milley is a bad dude who did the wrong thing; it’s not, it’s that already weak civilian control of the military (the only institution which commands social trust) has been weakened enough that the civilian government may be so afflicted by crisis that it has to fully turn over national security and foreign policy to the military for periods as it sorts out a succession process. Fortunately our military are indoctrinated to respect civilian control, and they returned it as soon as possible and with as little media attention as possible, but again: think about how this plays if you’re an outsider and you get the call from Washington that this is happening.
Really this sort of thing should never happen. It should never even cross a general's mind that such a course of action may be necessary. The US is not supposed to be like this. It is now though, and things are probably going to get worse, not better.
by Odreria » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:57 pm
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:Antipatros wrote:Really this sort of thing should never happen. It should never even cross a general's mind that such a course of action may be necessary. The US is not supposed to be like this. It is now though, and things are probably going to get worse, not better.
...he said, as the Reichstag burned around him.
Valrifell wrote:
Disregard whatever this poster says
by Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:58 pm
by Antipatros » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:59 pm
Senkaku wrote:Antipatros wrote:Really this sort of thing should never happen. It should never even cross a general's mind that such a course of action may be necessary. The US is not supposed to be like this. It is now though, and things are probably going to get worse, not better.
“Not supposed to be like this”? What is it “supposed” to be like, at this point? Stepping up to preserve peace and a facade of civilian administration seems like the best case scenario for our generals in the next century, the question now is how to maintain the military’s constitutional indoctrination as the constitutional order it glorifies loses legitimacy and falls apart— or, more likely, what institution will begin to be glorified in its place as the foundation of military discipline.
Cannot think of a name wrote:Well, if Elder did speak the ABC stream gave no fucks. They're re-running Newsom's victory speech.
by Conservative Republic Of Huang » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:59 pm
by The Black Forrest » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:59 pm
Antipatros wrote:Antipatros wrote:They're now showing "voter fraud" stories that are currently running on Fox News.
This is kind of a fucked up thing to observe, but the crowd is definitely quite white (not entirely, of course). On the other hand, the people that are providing testimonials are often non-white.
by San Lumen » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:00 pm
by Antipatros » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:03 pm
by Great Algerstonia » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:04 pm
Resilient Acceleration wrote:After a period of letting this discussion run its course without my involvement due to sheer laziness and a new related NS project, I have returned with an answer and that answer is Israel.
by The Alma Mater » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:04 pm
by Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:06 pm
Antipatros wrote:Senkaku wrote:“Not supposed to be like this”? What is it “supposed” to be like, at this point? Stepping up to preserve peace and a facade of civilian administration seems like the best case scenario for our generals in the next century, the question now is how to maintain the military’s constitutional indoctrination as the constitutional order it glorifies loses legitimacy and falls apart— or, more likely, what institution will begin to be glorified in its place as the foundation of military discipline.
Ideally, Trump would have conceded and begun the process for handing over power a few days after the election. At a bare minimum, he should have conceded after SCOTUS dismissed that legal case brought by conservative states.
The current state of US politics should not be what it is.Cannot think of a name wrote:Well, if Elder did speak the ABC stream gave no fucks. They're re-running Newsom's victory speech.
He still hasn't spoken yet.
by Antipatros » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:06 pm
The Alma Mater wrote:Antipatros wrote:They're now showing "voter fraud" stories that are currently running on Fox News.
You mean his "detailed analysis of the election results showing Fraud and that Larry won"... that was made and leaked BEFORE there were any election results ?
Surely Fox finds that little fact newsworty. It is amazing entertainment.
by The Black Forrest » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:06 pm
by Antipatros » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:07 pm
by San Lumen » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:08 pm
Antipatros wrote:Oh shit, he said "let's be gracious in defeat", and "we may have lost the battle, but we will win the war".
Kinda looks like he's conceding.
by Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:08 pm
by Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:09 pm
Antipatros wrote:Oh shit, he said "let's be gracious in defeat", and "we may have lost the battle, but we will win the war".
Kinda looks like he's conceding.
by Great Algerstonia » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:09 pm
Resilient Acceleration wrote:After a period of letting this discussion run its course without my involvement due to sheer laziness and a new related NS project, I have returned with an answer and that answer is Israel.
by Odreria » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:10 pm
Valrifell wrote:
Disregard whatever this poster says
by Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:11 pm
by Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:12 pm
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