Punisher Task Force vs Organised Crime in New York City

[The Two Jerseys]

Remember how upset people were when that one UPS driver being held hostage by jewelry store robbers was killed during a shootout with the police?

Now imagine the public outrage when the actual rules of engagement are "killing innocent bystanders is acceptable"...

[Kerwa]

5 guys with $500,000?. They’d last a week at most and get nothing done. The FBI would probably rat them out to “organized crime” without even being bribed.

Try setting you hypothetical in actual NYC, not Disneyworld.

[Infected Mushroom]

5 guys with $500,000?. They’d last a week at most and get nothing done. The FBI would probably rat them out to “organized crime” without even being bribed.

Try setting you hypothetical in actual NYC, not Disneyworld.

Are you saying 500,000 is not enough to buy some serious gear in NYC?

[South Americanastan]

5 guys with $500,000?. They’d last a week at most and get nothing done. The FBI would probably rat them out to “organized crime” without even being bribed.

Try setting you hypothetical in actual NYC, not Disneyworld.

Are you saying 500,000 is not enough to buy some serious gear in NYC?

You truly do have no idea what NYC is like. New York gun restrictions have driven both Black Market and Legal gun prices sky-high. Assuming they use an M4/M4A1 Carbine, they would need to pay about 1.50$ per round, probably anywhere between 2,500-5,000 per gun, and god knows how much for helmets, body armor, etc.

[Thermodolia]

Batman would obviously stop them all.

I thought he was a New Jersey vigilante. This is NYC. Also, it's intended to take place in this universe (except for the limited supernatural impositions).

Gotham is NYC

[Thermodolia]

How about ex KGB/Russian special forces mercs from the Eastern bloc?

Could they be hired in large numbers or do NYC mobsters lack the type of connection to be able to hire such muscle?

Near all mercenaries these days are former Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans paid to protect oil wells and drive trucks. And occasionally comically fail to coup a country.

Well don’t forget the occasional ex FFL

[Thermodolia]

Wait till IM finds out that "elite US special forces operators (with lots of field op experience)" are homeless drug addicts with PTSD out the wazoo, not Captain America super soldiers.

Nah most special forces aren’t homeless because they get book deals, contracts with the MIC, clothing modeling, and other shit.

It’s everyone else who’s fucked

[Cannot think of a name]

Are you saying 500,000 is not enough to buy some serious gear in NYC?

You truly do have no idea what NYC is like. New York gun restrictions have driven both Black Market and Legal gun prices sky-high. Assuming they use an M4/M4A1 Carbine, they would need to pay about 1.50$ per round, probably anywhere between 2,500-5,000 per gun, and god knows how much for helmets, body armor, etc.

With the numbers you gave you could get them each a rifle and 1000 rounds and not even break $50k. Are M4s disposable or something?

[Infected Mushroom]

I thought he was a New Jersey vigilante. This is NYC. Also, it's intended to take place in this universe (except for the limited supernatural impositions).

Gotham is NYC

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotham_City

It says in the comics when shown on a map Gotham is typically in NewJersey and not New York. Also, if you look at one of the pictures, it has a map and Gotham and New York are shown as two different locations.

[Thermodolia]

Gotham is NYC

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotham_City

It says in the comics when shown on a map Gotham is typically in NewJersey and not New York. Also, if you look at one of the pictures, it has a map and Gotham and New York are shown as two different locations.

I’ve always known Gotham to be NYC. Either way batman goes where he wants

[Infected Mushroom]

Are you saying 500,000 is not enough to buy some serious gear in NYC?

You truly do have no idea what NYC is like. New York gun restrictions have driven both Black Market and Legal gun prices sky-high. Assuming they use an M4/M4A1 Carbine, they would need to pay about 1.50$ per round, probably anywhere between 2,500-5,000 per gun, and god knows how much for helmets, body armor, etc.

You don’t necessarily need to invest in body armor and helmets if your plan is to generally have the first shot advantage and you focus on hit and run.

Also, you don’t have to go carbines… nothing wrong with more small caliber firearms. I don’t think their plan would be to openly engage a whole army heads on.

[Infected Mushroom]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotham_City

It says in the comics when shown on a map Gotham is typically in NewJersey and not New York. Also, if you look at one of the pictures, it has a map and Gotham and New York are shown as two different locations.

I’ve always known Gotham to be NYC. Either way batman goes where he wants

He’s not in play in this hypothetical and if he were, he wouldn’t operate with any plot armor.

[Haida Highlanders]

Are you saying 500,000 is not enough to buy some serious gear in NYC?

You truly do have no idea what NYC is like. New York gun restrictions have driven both Black Market and Legal gun prices sky-high. Assuming they use an M4/M4A1 Carbine, they would need to pay about 1.50$ per round, probably anywhere between 2,500-5,000 per gun, and god knows how much for helmets, body armor, etc.

You could a lw a us buy your gear and guns in another state, then rent a box truck and smuggle it in..also, go with men from te Mexican drug cartels as your mercenaries, they don't care. whom they kill.

[Thermodolia]

You truly do have no idea what NYC is like. New York gun restrictions have driven both Black Market and Legal gun prices sky-high. Assuming they use an M4/M4A1 Carbine, they would need to pay about 1.50$ per round, probably anywhere between 2,500-5,000 per gun, and god knows how much for helmets, body armor, etc.

You don’t necessarily need to invest in body armor and helmets if your plan is to generally have the first shot advantage and you focus on hit and run.

Yes you do. This is fucking dumb. Even snipers have plate armor and helmets. You never know if someone will find you first. Assuming you’ll always have the advantage is just fucking stupid and it’s what gets people killed

Also, you don’t have to go carbines… nothing wrong with more small caliber firearms. I don’t think their plan would be to openly engage a whole army heads on.

And? An M4 is still useful. You don’t need to engage an entire army. Hell most shit in Afghanistan was between small groups

[Eahland]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotham_City

It says in the comics when shown on a map Gotham is typically in NewJersey and not New York. Also, if you look at one of the pictures, it has a map and Gotham and New York are shown as two different locations.

I’ve always known Gotham to be NYC. Either way batman goes where he wants

Nah, Metropolis is the NYC expy.

He’s not in play in this hypothetical and if he were, he wouldn’t operate with any plot armor.

The irony is that the plot armor is the only thing that lets Frank get away with the shit he does. The Punisher is just as much a super as Batman is. His shtick is just a little less goofy.

[Infected Mushroom]

You don’t necessarily need to invest in body armor and helmets if your plan is to generally have the first shot advantage and you focus on hit and run.

Yes you do. This is fucking dumb. Even snipers have plate armor and helmets. You never know if someone will find you first. Assuming you’ll always have the advantage is just fucking stupid and it’s what gets people killed

Also, you don’t have to go carbines… nothing wrong with more small caliber firearms. I don’t think their plan would be to openly engage a whole army heads on.

And? An M4 is still useful. You don’t need to engage an entire army. Hell most shit in Afghanistan was between small groups

US street gangs usually don’t use anything more powerful than handguns and maybe some shotguns.

If you start using M4s, you could start a firepower race (and the mob will have more money). Unless you plan to weaponize the police against the crime groups by baiting them into using highly regulated firearms.

[Infected Mushroom]

He’s not in play in this hypothetical and if he were, he wouldn’t operate with any plot armor.

The irony is that the plot armor is the only thing that lets Frank get away with the shit he does. The Punisher is just as much a super as Batman is. His shtick is just a little less goofy.

Someone with military training, special forces experience, and complete cold-blooded determination could in theory, take down lots of mobsters

Mobsters are used to preying on the defenseless, not in combat against military-trained opponents using military weapons and throughly versed in special forces tactics

[Thermodolia]

Yes you do. This is fucking dumb. Even snipers have plate armor and helmets. You never know if someone will find you first. Assuming you’ll always have the advantage is just fucking stupid and it’s what gets people killed


And? An M4 is still useful. You don’t need to engage an entire army. Hell most shit in Afghanistan was between small groups

US street gangs usually don’t use anything more powerful than handguns and maybe some shotguns.

Uh no they do not. They regularly use automatic weapons.

If you start using M4s, you could start a firepower race (and the mob will have more money). Unless you plan to weaponize the police against the crime groups by baiting them into using highly regulated firearms.

You seriously don’t understand crime in the US. Even during the glory days of organized crime they still had easy access to automatic weapons. Mobs and gangs still use automatic weapons.

[Thermodolia]

The irony is that the plot armor is the only thing that lets Frank get away with the shit he does. The Punisher is just as much a super as Batman is. His shtick is just a little less goofy.

Someone with military training, special forces experience, and complete cold-blooded determination could in theory, take down lots of mobsters

Mobsters are used to preying on the defenseless, not in combat against military-trained opponents using military weapons and throughly versed in special forces tactics

You seriously seem to only get your understanding of crime in the US from 1930s to 1950s crime films. In reality mobs regularly went to war with other mobs. So the mobs here would have no trouble actually taking out these guys, especially since the mob knows the landscape like the back of their hand.

And since you think that body armor and helmets are unnecessary the group will be picked off by mobsters from the tops of buildings

[Infected Mushroom]

Someone with military training, special forces experience, and complete cold-blooded determination could in theory, take down lots of mobsters

Mobsters are used to preying on the defenseless, not in combat against military-trained opponents using military weapons and throughly versed in special forces tactics

You seriously seem to only get your understanding of crime in the US from 1930s to 1950s crime films. In reality mobs regularly went to war with other mobs. So the mobs here would have no trouble actually taking out these guys, especially since the mob knows the landscape like the back of their hand.

And since you think that body armor and helmets are unnecessary the group will be picked off by mobsters from the tops of buildings

The limited firefights they take part in don’t compare to what SOCOM subjects it’s elite special forces to in training and in combat. Also, there’s a certain style of thinking, hardened survival training and mindset, planning, intelligence/counter-intelligence and adaptability to special forces that will give them a huge edge even when fighting with similar equipment. The skill, reflexes and limit-testing (of their weapons and tools) of a special forces operator is well behind what a street thug has.

If there’s 10 goons with handguns and two SEALs with just their hands (but can weaponize their surroundings and can attack on their terms), I’m giving it to the SEALs. The SEALs would get into the heads of the enemies and strike with such precision and brutality that it’d be over.

Add in firearms they can buy from the 500,000 and it’s just overkill.

[Thermodolia]

You seriously seem to only get your understanding of crime in the US from 1930s to 1950s crime films. In reality mobs regularly went to war with other mobs. So the mobs here would have no trouble actually taking out these guys, especially since the mob knows the landscape like the back of their hand.

And since you think that body armor and helmets are unnecessary the group will be picked off by mobsters from the tops of buildings

The limited firefights they take part in don’t compare to what SOCOM subjects it’s elite special forces to in training and in combat.

Special forces aren’t some superhuman super shooters. Sure they see a lot of action but it’s not massive firefights that you see in the movies. It’s at most a four man team against a handful of guys, pretty fucking limited id say.

Most gang wars usually involve pretty heavy shoot outs. Sure SF could fight those but against a whole group of mobsters? Come on. That’s just fantasy.

Also, there’s a certain style of thinking, hardened survival training and mindset, planning, intelligence/counter-intelligence and adaptability to special forces that will give them a huge edge even when fighting with similar equipment. The skill, reflexes and limit-testing (of their weapons and tools) of a special forces operator is well behind what a street thug has.

Which doesn’t mean shit when you are fighting on their turf in an urban environment. Urban environments are death traps for opposing forces. Because you don’t know where or when the next attack is coming, you also have limited cover and concealment from all vantage points. Seriously it’s not hard for some mobster to get onto a roof and pick these guys off. Especially since you think they can do it without any helmets or plates.

Also organized crime is a lot different than just some random street thugs. They aren’t just some brain dead morons, they are smart killers.

If there’s 10 goons with handguns and two SEALs with just their hands (but can weaponize their surroundings and can attack on their terms), I’m giving it to the SEALs. The SEALs would get into the heads of the enemies and strike with such precision and brutality that it’d be over.

That’s not a reality. At all. Special forces are good but they aren’t super human. They are also trained to work in coordination with multi man teams, not one or two vs many.

You watch way too many movies. Ten goons armed goons could definitely take two seals. Especially since most special forces units don’t play mind games with any sort of targets. That’s a job for the Interrogator

Add in firearms they can buy from the 500,000 and it’s just overkill.

Which means shit because you’re not going to have a massive movie like battle. You’ll have a few guys lead the SF guys into a trap and then the mob guys on buildings pick them off. Which is how the mob killed many such targets

[Ifreann]

I’ve always known Gotham to be NYC. Either way batman goes where he wants

He’s not in play in this hypothetical and if he were, he wouldn’t operate with any plot armor.

He has literal armour, he's Batman.

[The Two Jerseys]

You watch way too many movies.

But clearly not Black Hawk Down...

[Kerwa]

Are you saying 500,000 is not enough to buy some serious gear in NYC?

It’s not the weapons. It’s the cost of safe houses, “bribes”, intelligence, cars etc.

[Kerwa]

Uh no they do not. They regularly use automatic weapons.

Only on the Telly. Automatic weapons are practically never used from crime in the US. Likewise “assault weapons”. Illegal .38 revolvers are the weapon of choice for street thugs.