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How successful would the Punisher Task Force be?

1. Punisher Task Force would prevail (every single member of NYC organised crime member would either be dead or leave NYC)
7
24%
2. Organised Crime would take out the Task Force, however, much more than half of the people on the list would be eliminated before they manage it
6
21%
3. Organised Crime would take out the Task Force, however, roughly half of the people on the list would be eliminated before they manage it
0
No votes
4. Organised Crime would take out the Task Force, only less than half of the people on the list would be eliminated
16
55%
 
Total votes : 29
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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:52 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:Even Marvel doesn't think Punisher is a good idea and he's their character.

And good lord, it's okay to kill 99 randos in your hunt for one mafia member? And this clock resets for each mission? The cure is worse than the disease (sort of the point of most of the Punisher comics if you'd read them...)

Never mind that you somehow managed to sleep through all of 2020, but the idea of police doing extra-judicial killings has not been the most popular thing in the world, primarily because the country retains a lot of its racial animosity and it disproportionately affects the black population. Even with the so-called safe guards we have, regular ass police serving a warrant managed to gun down an ER technician in her sleep. It was not okay. In what world do you think mowing down 99 innocent people is going to be a thing anyone is okay with?

And that's not even getting to the fact that extra-judicial killings are not a thing a developed country does. You know how people talk about Obama's drone strikes? It's not because they're part of the pilots union and think that bombs should only come from aircraft with people in them. It's because he used one to kill an American citizen in a war zone. Iffy at best in a war zone (I'd argue still not okay) but on American soil? Fuuuuuuuuck no.

Oh, and they're out there committing crimes (buying untracable guns...I mean, why if they've been given a license to kill) and stealing to support their gun habit. Jesus christ.

This is a gobsmackingly stupid idea that has nothing to do with effectiveness and everything to do with a fantasy life of shooting down bad guys and still being a 'good guy'.

Try to learn the difference between action movies and real life. For fuck's sake.


Holy shit dude, it's just one of IM's hypotheticals he isn't trying to justify vigilantism. And no fucking shit Marvel doesn't actually condone stuff depicted in their comics? Uh doi!

Try to learn the difference between THIS and an actual political debate about vigilante cops unlawfully killing gangsters. For fuck's sake.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:05 pm

The scenario was intended to be purely hypothetical. I like setting up hypotheticals.

It wasn’t intended to be a political advocacy.
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Postby Kerwa » Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:55 pm

Kannap wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Batman isn't relevant to the hypothetical.


NYC? That's Spiderman, baby. He's gonna stop these five bad guys before you can finish cooking your ready-in-90 seconds Ben's Original ready rice


No DC Marvel crossovers >:(

(Unless it’s Batman teaming up with the Hulk. That’s acceptable).
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:59 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Even Marvel doesn't think Punisher is a good idea and he's their character.

And good lord, it's okay to kill 99 randos in your hunt for one mafia member? And this clock resets for each mission? The cure is worse than the disease (sort of the point of most of the Punisher comics if you'd read them...)

Never mind that you somehow managed to sleep through all of 2020, but the idea of police doing extra-judicial killings has not been the most popular thing in the world, primarily because the country retains a lot of its racial animosity and it disproportionately affects the black population. Even with the so-called safe guards we have, regular ass police serving a warrant managed to gun down an ER technician in her sleep. It was not okay. In what world do you think mowing down 99 innocent people is going to be a thing anyone is okay with?

And that's not even getting to the fact that extra-judicial killings are not a thing a developed country does. You know how people talk about Obama's drone strikes? It's not because they're part of the pilots union and think that bombs should only come from aircraft with people in them. It's because he used one to kill an American citizen in a war zone. Iffy at best in a war zone (I'd argue still not okay) but on American soil? Fuuuuuuuuck no.

Oh, and they're out there committing crimes (buying untracable guns...I mean, why if they've been given a license to kill) and stealing to support their gun habit. Jesus christ.

This is a gobsmackingly stupid idea that has nothing to do with effectiveness and everything to do with a fantasy life of shooting down bad guys and still being a 'good guy'.

Try to learn the difference between action movies and real life. For fuck's sake.


Holy shit dude, it's just one of IM's ''what would you do/think would happen'' scenarios, he isn't trying to justify vigilantism. And no fucking shit Marvel doesn't actually condone stuff depicted in their comics? Uh doi!

Try to learn the difference between THIS and an actual political debate about vigilante cops unlawfully killing gangsters. For fuck's sake.

What even is this?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:00 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:The scenario was intended to be purely hypothetical. I like setting up hypotheticals.

It wasn’t intended to be a political advocacy.

I'm not sure what you think hypotheticals are.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:01 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
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Gotham in the comic book world for some God forsaken reason is in NJ on the Delaware River.

The statue of liberty is in Metropolis harbor, and the daily planet is published in New York state which kind of nails down nyc.

So as it applies to the scenario, I dont think superman would tolerate the punishers means as put in the OP. therefore superman shuts down the whole operation as soon as Lois lane starts to flirt with one of the Seals.

The map on Wikipedia has Gotham as the entire bayside area of Cumberland County.

In other words, quite possibly the worst place to build a city, because it's a literal swamp.

I was only in Chicago for a day and half but the entire time I felt like I was in Gotham.

That probably has more to do with the Nolan movies than anything else though.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:03 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Holy shit dude, it's just one of IM's ''what would you do/think would happen'' scenarios, he isn't trying to justify vigilantism. And no fucking shit Marvel doesn't actually condone stuff depicted in their comics? Uh doi!

Try to learn the difference between THIS and an actual political debate about vigilante cops unlawfully killing gangsters. For fuck's sake.

What even is this?


Why am I not surprised that you can't grasp what was posted.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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Postby Reploid Productions » Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:05 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:Why am I not surprised that you can't grasp what was posted.

Maybe take a chill pill before you go off into flaming territory again? Your warning record is teetering perilously close to deletion. :eyebrow:
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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:05 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:The scenario was intended to be purely hypothetical. I like setting up hypotheticals.

It wasn’t intended to be a political advocacy.

I'm not sure what you think hypotheticals are.


And I'm not sure what you think they are.
Last edited by Chernoslavia on Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:19 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:What even is this?


Why am I not surprised that you can't grasp what was posted.

Oh, I see. You're trying to stir shit. No one benefits from that, I'll just put you on ignore.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:22 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Why am I not surprised that you can't grasp what was posted.

Oh, I see. You're trying to stir shit. No one benefits from that, I'll just put you on ignore.


Lmao! You're the one trying to play the 1up game here and you're getting mad that someone points out how you're failing at it.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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