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Should those wilfully unvaccinated against COVID-19 receive a lower priority for hospital treatment?

YES, ALWAYS - vaccination should be a basic precaution to protect your health and that of society
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YES, BUT JUST FOR COVID-19 - you shouldn't get COVID treatment if you don't want to be safe from it
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15%
NO, NEVER - healthcare should be based on the patient's need, not their circumstances
465
59%
 
Total votes : 792

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Maricarland
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Postby Maricarland » Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:51 pm

Does anyone have a resource to help people develop coping strategies for an extended pandemic lasting years (with estimates that the Covid-19 pandemic will last somewhere between 2-7 more years)?
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Postby Rusozak » Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:54 pm

Maricarland wrote:Does anyone have a resource to help people develop coping strategies for an extended pandemic lasting years (with estimates that the Covid-19 pandemic will last somewhere between 2-7 more years)?


Does a burning rage and desire for vengeance upon the antivaxxers count?
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Maricarland
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Postby Maricarland » Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:56 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Maricarland wrote:Does anyone have a resource to help people develop coping strategies for an extended pandemic lasting years (with estimates that the Covid-19 pandemic will last somewhere between 2-7 more years)?


Does a burning rage and desire for vengeance upon the antivaxxers count?


Is that really a coping mechanism, or is it a mission statement?
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Postby Xmara » Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:06 pm

Maricarland wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
Does a burning rage and desire for vengeance upon the antivaxxers count?


Is that really a coping mechanism, or is it a mission statement?

Yes
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:13 pm

Maricarland wrote:Does anyone have a resource to help people develop coping strategies for an extended pandemic lasting years (with estimates that the Covid-19 pandemic will last somewhere between 2-7 more years)?


It’s not going to last two to seven more years.

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Postby North Washington Republic » Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:16 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Maricarland wrote:Does anyone have a resource to help people develop coping strategies for an extended pandemic lasting years (with estimates that the Covid-19 pandemic will last somewhere between 2-7 more years)?


Does a burning rage and desire for vengeance upon the antivaxxers count?


I remember back in March/April people on here were telling me not to worry about the antivaxxers and their refusal to get vaccinated wouldn’t have that much of an (negative) impact in terms of controlling this pandemic. ;)
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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:19 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Maricarland wrote:Does anyone have a resource to help people develop coping strategies for an extended pandemic lasting years (with estimates that the Covid-19 pandemic will last somewhere between 2-7 more years)?


It’s not going to last two to seven more years.

Every time you say that I mentally add six months.
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Postby Diahon » Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:22 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Maricarland wrote:Does anyone have a resource to help people develop coping strategies for an extended pandemic lasting years (with estimates that the Covid-19 pandemic will last somewhere between 2-7 more years)?


Does a burning rage and desire for vengeance upon the antivaxxers count?


don't

they are guilty only of getting fooled

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Postby New Visayan Islands » Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:59 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Maricarland wrote:Does anyone have a resource to help people develop coping strategies for an extended pandemic lasting years (with estimates that the Covid-19 pandemic will last somewhere between 2-7 more years)?


Does a burning rage and desire for vengeance upon the antivaxxers count?

...you'll fit right in! (I was going for the Hellsing Abridged reference.)

Cue the inevitable Sisters of Nurgle jokes. Also, Shots for Shots? Nice.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:06 pm

Xmara wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
I call it medical populism.

I call it natural selection

not entirely
pandemics are not personal

Maricarland wrote:Does anyone have a resource to help people develop coping strategies for an extended pandemic lasting years (with estimates that the Covid-19 pandemic will last somewhere between 2-7 more years)?

i mean you could do what i do and drown yourself in bad news so that your only response to anything new is either a stream of cursing or an increasingly broken laugh as you cease to feel anything other than naked impotence in the ceaseless onslaught of death


perhaps you shouldn't do that
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Postby Maricarland » Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:09 pm

Kowani wrote:
Xmara wrote:I call it natural selection

not entirely
pandemics are not personal

Maricarland wrote:Does anyone have a resource to help people develop coping strategies for an extended pandemic lasting years (with estimates that the Covid-19 pandemic will last somewhere between 2-7 more years)?

i mean you could do what i do and drown yourself in bad news so that your only response to anything new is either a stream of cursing or an increasingly broken laugh as you cease to feel anything other than naked impotence in the ceaseless onslaught of death


perhaps you shouldn't do that


Yeah, I am not sure if I should do that either, I will consider it (I think I may already be doing it). While waiting to see if anyone has coping strategies, speaking of drowning in bad news: 1 in 500 Americans Has Died From COVID, New Analysis Shows.
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:10 pm

Kowani wrote:
Xmara wrote:I call it natural selection

not entirely
pandemics are not personal

...until they reach out and touch you and yours.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:13 pm

New Visayan Islands wrote:
Kowani wrote:not entirely
pandemics are not personal

...until they reach out and touch you and yours.

what i meant was that they do not stay with any single individual, but rather, that they reach out and affect everyone else
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




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Postby Diahon » Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:14 pm

Kowani wrote:
Xmara wrote:I call it natural selection

not entirely
pandemics are not personal

Maricarland wrote:Does anyone have a resource to help people develop coping strategies for an extended pandemic lasting years (with estimates that the Covid-19 pandemic will last somewhere between 2-7 more years)?

i mean you could do what i do and drown yourself in bad news so that your only response to anything new is either a stream of cursing or an increasingly broken laugh as you cease to feel anything other than naked impotence in the ceaseless onslaught of death


perhaps you shouldn't do that


perhaps you should

indulging in good news just risks burying the dead who should've lived

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:28 pm

Diahon wrote:
Kowani wrote:not entirely
pandemics are not personal


i mean you could do what i do and drown yourself in bad news so that your only response to anything new is either a stream of cursing or an increasingly broken laugh as you cease to feel anything other than naked impotence in the ceaseless onslaught of death


perhaps you shouldn't do that


perhaps you should

indulging in good news just risks burying the dead who should've lived

i mean i take the news as it comes it is just majority negative
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


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Postby Great Algerstonia » Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:35 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
It’s not going to last two to seven more years.

Every time you say that I mentally add six months.

Necro pls if you do this I will have died of old age and the news will still talk about rounding the curve of COVID-19s nearest surge
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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:30 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Maricarland wrote:Does anyone have a resource to help people develop coping strategies for an extended pandemic lasting years (with estimates that the Covid-19 pandemic will last somewhere between 2-7 more years)?


It’s not going to last two to seven more years.

The war will be over by Christmas, y'all.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:47 pm

Maricarland wrote:Does anyone have a resource to help people develop coping strategies for an extended pandemic lasting years (with estimates that the Covid-19 pandemic will last somewhere between 2-7 more years)?


Lots and lots of alcohol.

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Nordic runes.
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Get outside. For some it’s easy to get a little agoraphobic.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:05 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:Militarism was its first death cult, then imperialism, then capitalism.

I don't think we were that militaristic in our early days.

The native tribes would disagree
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Postby Page » Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:23 am

So, I successfully traveled to a warm and sunny paradise and returned home without getting covid and/or quarantine jail. The holiday was wonderful but fuck it sure isn't fun wondering if you have covid every time you cough. When I go to America in January I am really going to need my psychiatrist to prescribe me some Xanax.
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Postby Radiatia » Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:31 am

Finally got my first shot of the Pfizer vaccine today. I've been waiting for three months (in fact I'm supposedly 'high priority' due to underlying health problems) but New Zealand's vaccination programme has been so abysmal that I'm only just getting vaccinated now.

Still, better late than never I suppose.

It's just a shame that it took another outbreak and lockdown for the government to finally get its ass into gear and take vaccination seriously.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:26 am

Maricarland wrote:Does anyone have a resource to help people develop coping strategies for an extended pandemic lasting years (with estimates that the Covid-19 pandemic will last somewhere between 2-7 more years)?


https://www.wikihow.com/Make-Vodka
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:31 am

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Wow. Are the Anti-vaxxers America's first death cult?

Militarism was its first death cult, then imperialism, then capitalism.


Capitalism before imperialism.

It was about getting riches before empires. The Dutch WIC for example. Or the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_of_Scotland

Empires came after. Or rather, it's a complicated story :blush:
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Postby Kowani » Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:43 am

little by little

Italy is set to make its COVID-19 "Green Pass" mandatory for all workersfrom next month, a minister said on Wednesday, becoming the first European country to do so as it tries to accelerate vaccinations and stamp out infections.

The pass, a digital or paper certificate showing someone has received at least one vaccine dose, tested negative or recently recovered from the virus, was originally conceived to ease travel among EU states.

But Italy was among a group of countries that also made it a requirement for people to access venues such as museums, gyms and indoor dining in restaurants.

It subsequently extended use of the pass for teachers and school staff, despite frictions over the issue in Prime Minister Mario Draghi's national unity coalition. Regional Affairs Minister Mariastella Gelmini said the cabinet was ready to go still further when it met on Thursday.

"We are heading towards a mandatory Green Pass not only for public sector workers but also private sector ones," she told RAI radio. "The vaccine is the only weapon we have against COVID and we can only contain infection by vaccinating a great majority of the population."

Failure to have a Green Pass could result in workers being suspended and losing their pay. It wasn't immediately clear if it could be used as grounds for dismissal. Thursday's cabinet meeting may be a tense one. Right-wing leader Matteo Salvini, leader of the co-ruling League, has repeatedly resisted extending the use of the Green Pass, but his party is internally split on the issue.

Draghi met union leaders on Wednesday to spell out the plans. Maurizio Landini, the head of the country's largest union, CGIL, told reporters afterwards it was important that tests should be free for workers who did not want a jab.

"People should not pay to work," he said.

Opponents of the Green Pass say it tramples on freedoms and is a back-door way of forcing people to vaccinate.

Talk of making it mandatory for public sector workers alone has already triggered muted protests, which would probably be stronger if it were extended to private firms.

Several other European countries use the health pass for leisure activities and travel, but none has made it mandatory for all public or private sector workers.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


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Postby Grave_n_idle » Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:01 am

CoraSpia wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:hot fucking take: "vaccine choice" is the cowardly, weasel-words way of being antivax.

anyone who feels even the slightest degree of responsibility toward their community and fellow man and isn't one of the poor saps being taken advantage of by people they trust for whatever reason wouldn't play such games with life

I'm a fan of freedom.

Get the vaccine, the vaccine might save your life and the life of someone you love. If you don't want to get the vaccine though, don't get the vaccine. It's your call because I assume you to be a living and thinking human being rather than someone who is incapable of making medical decisions on their own.


That's not a good assumption.

Remember the protests all across America against the expansion of government healthcare, where the crowd were literally chanting 'get government hands off our medicaid'?
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