Coronavirus Thread VII: Jagged Little Pill (READ OP)

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Don't attach ''medical'' to it, because it isn't. At best, it's plain populism quackery. At worst, it's plain populism quackery.

While it may be populist, I think it's much more of a partisan identity and just part of their solidarity. Part of their identity is that they're anti-science and anti-public health.

A far cry from the populists fighting for universal healthcare for example.

Whatever they are, one thing is painfully clear: they're immensely stupid.

[The Reformed American Republic]

It's anti-intellectualism. Most populists don't entertain such stupidity.

Populism, especially right-wing populism has a long history of anti-intellectualism. I would say that in the United States, they cannot be separated.

Populism is just anything that claims to recognize tat the people's interest is different than the elite's interest (which is true by the way) and promises to fix it. Whether it does the latter depends on what type of populism the person subscribes to and how sincere the person is.

Yes, they can be separated. You don't see me downing bleach, iodine, or horsepills, and I'm very disillusioned with our current elite.

[The Reformed American Republic]

While it may be populist, I think it's much more of a partisan identity and just part of their solidarity. Part of their identity is that they're anti-science and anti-public health.

A far cry from the populists fighting for universal healthcare for example.

Whatever they are, one thing is painfully clear: they're immensely stupid.

Absolutely, I have tried talking sense into some of them, but they usually respond pretty maliciously with threats or obscene comments.

[Necroghastia]

hot fucking take: "vaccine choice" is the cowardly, weasel-words way of being antivax.

anyone who feels even the slightest degree of responsibility toward their community and fellow man and isn't one of the poor saps being taken advantage of by people they trust for whatever reason wouldn't play such games with life

I'm a fan of freedom.

No, you're fucking not. From everything I've seen, you could not give less of a fuck about freedom. You're a fan of lip service, of preaching about the "idea" of freedom, but what you really do is encourage ignorance and selfishness in a way that feed into one another in a vicious cycle. It's abhorrent and disgusting.

Get the vaccine, the vaccine might save your life and the life of someone you love. If you don't want to get the vaccine though, don't get the vaccine. It's your call because I assume you to be a living and thinking human being rather than someone who is incapable of making medical decisions on their own.

Do you honestly think, at this point, with hospitals turning away deathly ill patients that could be saved because they are literally full to bursting of people who didn't fucking vaccinate themselves, that vaccination is a "pErSoNaL cHoIcE" that only affects yourself? If you do, you're ignorant at best. If you agree it affects other people but continue to promote this disgusting, anti-social, and self-destructive idea... I don't think I have words that I could get away with saying here.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Whatever they are, one thing is painfully clear: they're immensely stupid.

Absolutely, I have tried talking sense into some of them, but they usually respond pretty maliciously with threats or obscene comments.

That's unfortunate. To ''stick it to the libs'', if that's their midframe, they don't have to drink iodine and potentially dying.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Absolutely, I have tried talking sense into some of them, but they usually respond pretty maliciously with threats or obscene comments.

That's unfortunate. To ''stick it to the libs'', if that's their midframe, they don't have to drink iodine and potentially dying.

Indeed, it's unfortunate that only a few conservatives seem to understand that. Despite their supposed hatred of post-modernism, most have embraced their own version of it.

[The Black Forrest]

Time to commit more sins against the Free Marketplace of Ideas by saying a miracle COVID cure is bull.

Snorting and Gargling Iodine to Fight Covid-19 Is a Really Bad Idea

Everything to not get a vaccine ... damn.

Wow. Are the Anti-vaxxers America's first death cult?

[Alcala-Cordel]

Everything to not get a vaccine ... damn.

Wow. Are the Anti-vaxxers America's first death cult?

Militarism was its first death cult, then imperialism, then capitalism.

[CoraSpia]

I'm a fan of freedom.

No, you're fucking not. From everything I've seen, you could not give less of a fuck about freedom. You're a fan of lip service, of preaching about the "idea" of freedom, but what you really do is encourage ignorance and selfishness in a way that feed into one another in a vicious cycle. It's abhorrent and disgusting.

Get the vaccine, the vaccine might save your life and the life of someone you love. If you don't want to get the vaccine though, don't get the vaccine. It's your call because I assume you to be a living and thinking human being rather than someone who is incapable of making medical decisions on their own.

Do you honestly think, at this point, with hospitals turning away deathly ill patients that could be saved because they are literally full to bursting of people who didn't fucking vaccinate themselves, that vaccination is a "pErSoNaL cHoIcE" that only affects yourself? If you do, you're ignorant at best. If you agree it affects other people but continue to promote this disgusting, anti-social, and self-destructive idea... I don't think I have words that I could get away with saying here.

Of course it can affect other people. I don't however accept that people have some sort of responsibility to everyone they might come across. I chose to get vaccinated, I assume you did. Others didn't.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Wow. Are the Anti-vaxxers America's first death cult?

Militarism was its first death cult, then imperialism, then capitalism.

I don't think we were that militaristic in our early days.

[The Reformed American Republic]

No, you're fucking not. From everything I've seen, you could not give less of a fuck about freedom. You're a fan of lip service, of preaching about the "idea" of freedom, but what you really do is encourage ignorance and selfishness in a way that feed into one another in a vicious cycle. It's abhorrent and disgusting.

Do you honestly think, at this point, with hospitals turning away deathly ill patients that could be saved because they are literally full to bursting of people who didn't fucking vaccinate themselves, that vaccination is a "pErSoNaL cHoIcE" that only affects yourself? If you do, you're ignorant at best. If you agree it affects other people but continue to promote this disgusting, anti-social, and self-destructive idea... I don't think I have words that I could get away with saying here.

Of course it can affect other people. I don't however accept that people have some sort of responsibility to everyone they might come across. I chose to get vaccinated, I assume you did. Others didn't.

And to be honest, that should not be their personal choice.

[CoraSpia]

Of course it can affect other people. I don't however accept that people have some sort of responsibility to everyone they might come across. I chose to get vaccinated, I assume you did. Others didn't.

And to be honest, that should not be their personal choice.

Because for some reason this non-existent duty is more important than consent to medical treatment now?

[The Black Forrest]

No, you're fucking not. From everything I've seen, you could not give less of a fuck about freedom. You're a fan of lip service, of preaching about the "idea" of freedom, but what you really do is encourage ignorance and selfishness in a way that feed into one another in a vicious cycle. It's abhorrent and disgusting.

Do you honestly think, at this point, with hospitals turning away deathly ill patients that could be saved because they are literally full to bursting of people who didn't fucking vaccinate themselves, that vaccination is a "pErSoNaL cHoIcE" that only affects yourself? If you do, you're ignorant at best. If you agree it affects other people but continue to promote this disgusting, anti-social, and self-destructive idea... I don't think I have words that I could get away with saying here.

Of course it can affect other people. I don't however accept that people have some sort of responsibility to everyone they might come across. I chose to get vaccinated, I assume you did. Others didn't.

Interesting. So? If someone is about to shoot you and it's well within my ability to stop them; I should let them shoot you?

The edgy display is a tad boring.

[The Reformed American Republic]

And to be honest, that should not be their personal choice.

Because for some reason this non-existent duty is more important than consent to medical treatment now?

Fuck individualism, individual choice effects others. Maybe think of that before seeking out crowds when you're sick.

[CoraSpia]

Of course it can affect other people. I don't however accept that people have some sort of responsibility to everyone they might come across. I chose to get vaccinated, I assume you did. Others didn't.

Interesting. So? If someone is about to shoot you and it's well within my ability to stop them; I should let them shoot you?

The edgy display is a tad boring.

The 'display' is what I've always believed (well, aside from my fascist phase as a teenager but let's gloss over that.) It's nice if you stop someone getting shot for sure, I dare say you should be recognised for your bravery in that circumstance. You shouldn't be mandated to do so however, just to not be the shooter.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

(well, aside from my fascist phase as a teenager but let's gloss over that.)

why does this not surprise me at all

[The Reformed American Republic]

(well, aside from my fascist phase as a teenager but let's gloss over that.)

why does this not surprise me at all

I don't care about crappy views someone had years ago as opposed to the crappy views they have now.

[CoraSpia]

(well, aside from my fascist phase as a teenager but let's gloss over that.)

why does this not surprise me at all

Lots of people have had fascist phases as teenagers.

[Kerwa]

Interesting. So? If someone is about to shoot you and it's well within my ability to stop them; I should let them shoot you?

The edgy display is a tad boring.

That is how things work actually. No-one is obliged to intervene in those sort of situations generally. Of course you can intervene if you wish. Vaccination is, in theory, different however.

[Kowani]

People applying to immigrate to the U.S. will have to show they've been vaccination against COVID-19 as part of a required medical exam starting October 1st

[Necroghastia]

No, you're fucking not. From everything I've seen, you could not give less of a fuck about freedom. You're a fan of lip service, of preaching about the "idea" of freedom, but what you really do is encourage ignorance and selfishness in a way that feed into one another in a vicious cycle. It's abhorrent and disgusting.

Do you honestly think, at this point, with hospitals turning away deathly ill patients that could be saved because they are literally full to bursting of people who didn't fucking vaccinate themselves, that vaccination is a "pErSoNaL cHoIcE" that only affects yourself? If you do, you're ignorant at best. If you agree it affects other people but continue to promote this disgusting, anti-social, and self-destructive idea... I don't think I have words that I could get away with saying here.

Of course it can affect other people. I don't however accept that people have some sort of responsibility to everyone they might come across. I chose to get vaccinated, I assume you did. Others didn't.

When they become a danger and detriment to others they absolutely have that responsibility and that's been accepted for god knows how many things for god knows how long. This isn't just making other peoples' lives a bit more convenient like putting the shopping cart where it belongs or rewinding a rental tape in the days of yore, this is a public safety issue like putting on your headlights in bad weather/at night or wearing fucking clothes.

[Xmara]

We're in the world of alt-truth and alt-medicine, so don't try to make sense of it.

I call it medical populism.

I call it natural selection

[Xmara]

WV hits a new record of covid hospitalizations, as it has been doing every day for the past...two weeks I think?

[Neanderthaland]

Time to commit more sins against the Free Marketplace of Ideas by saying a miracle COVID cure is bull.

Snorting and Gargling Iodine to Fight Covid-19 Is a Really Bad Idea

Iodine was once a popular treatment for your typical cut and scratch, and now anti-vaxx circles are claiming that gargling or snorting it works as a preventive for Covid-19.

Povidone iodine, known commercially as Betadine, is typically used on the skin as a first aid treatment or a disinfectant for surgery prep. The brand has also introduced a 0.5% mouth rinse meant to treat a mild sore throat, not prevent Covid.

On Sept. 8th, a Twitter user claiming to be an ER doctor tweeted "Don’t get Covid. Prophylaxis is not that hard. Also nasal spray with a couple of drops [betadine] in it," alongside an image of assorted vitamins. "And gargle with original Listerine," they added, garnering over 270 retweets and plenty of questions.

Several Facebook and Twitter users have also touted Betadine as gargle or nasal spray additive as a means of preventing COVID, one claiming to use it "every time they've been exposed," citing a 2020 study co-authored by a plastic surgeon.

"Iodine is a disinfectant," says William Schaffner, M.D., professor of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. "Its use has [slowed down] because even on scratches and cuts, its effectiveness has been debated. There's no data that this would be effective for Covid."

Avrio Health, the makers of Betadine, has also intervened in the online conversation around the use of its product as an alternative Covid treatment, stating "Betadine Antiseptic Sore Throat Gargle is only for the temporary relief of occasional sore throat. Betadine Antiseptic products have not been demonstrated to be effective for the treatment or prevention of COVID- 19 or any other viruses."

Dr. Schaffner's biggest fear is the ingestion of the product, whether accidentally or intentionally, in one's attempt to mitigate a Covid infection. "You can really get intestinal upset with nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea [with iodine]," says Dr. Schaffner. "And nobody wants that." In short, save the iodine for a paper cut, not Covid.

Well... at least they'll be full of neutral iodine in case of nuclear war?

Silver (or maybe Strontium) lining?

[The Black Forrest]

Time to commit more sins against the Free Marketplace of Ideas by saying a miracle COVID cure is bull.

Snorting and Gargling Iodine to Fight Covid-19 Is a Really Bad Idea

Well... at least they'll be full of neutral iodine in case of nuclear war?

Silver (or maybe Strontium) lining?

It’s simple to solve. You can present any type of cure. You must also show people how to use it and test it for them on camera.