Coronavirus Thread VII: Jagged Little Pill (READ OP)

[Neanderthaland]

And clearly he did this just to persecute the masses. Because of tyranny!

God, if you could only hear yourself, Lumen.

She. Why is there alway the assumption an executive is a man?

Nice dodge.

But we were talking about your assumption that the only reason she could have to temporarily shut down recreational boating is because she is a heartless tyrant.

It's just so obviously tyranny. How could any reasonable person think otherwise?

[USS Monitor]

Everyone dogpiling Lumen on this needs seriously needs to stop.

If someone's job is too hard for them, then yes, they can quit. If you disagree, you are advocating slavery. That's what it is if people can't quit their job: slavery.

Healthcare workers have been carrying a huge burden during this pandemic, and they have every right to say they are done and it is someone else's turn to carry that burden. They are free human beings, you do not own them, and yes, they can quit their jobs.

You people are dogpiling Lumen for being antislavery. Is it still 1862? Did I hallucinate the 13th amendment being passed?

I also hallucinated two world wars, a mission to the moon, and several Star Wars movies. Those must have been some powerful shrooms. Whoa...

You can still give Lumen hell for his overblown panic about masks. Just please for the love of all that is good and holy stop going after him on this one thing about healthcare workers leaving their jobs.

No one's dogpiling Lumen for being anti-slavery. They're dogpiling Lumen because his response to medical workers demanding that mask-wearing continue in their hospitals was to tell those people to quit if they don't like it.

The experts should just admit they don't want restrictions and mandates to ever end. Its time to end lockdowns and move on with life. Doctors and nurses should just do their jobs and if it gets too much for them find another line of work and stop expecting the world to stop for them.

He's not arguing for their freedoms, he's dismissing their extremely valid concerns about their own health and welfare, and the health and welfare of their patients. He's not supporting medical workers who have borne an incredible burden, he's telling them to fuck off because they want people to keep wearing masks. And people remember that he said that, and are holding him to it.

People haven't been providing that context, though. They've just been running around acting like it's a problem that Lumen opposes slavery.

If that's not what you guys intended, then maybe now would be a good time to step back and think about the way you argue your points. It's a public forum. People come and go all the time. Players who have been around a while may still drop in and out of threads. You can't expect everyone that reads a thread to have context from months ago.

A couple words or sentences of context could easily change the message from "Lumen, you are so irresponsible for opposing slavery!" to "Lumen, you are so irresponsible for opposing masks!" -- but people have not been providing that context. Lumen's debating can get kind of repetitive and whuh; but I really have to question the quality of other people's debating when it consists of repeatedly needling him about stuff he said months ago, spouting off one-liners that are the equivalent of, "But Lumen, I thought you were against slavery!" (with the implication that this is negative) and expecting everyone to guess what it's really about.

Even if the folks doing this are not true neo-Confederate scumbuckets and the slavemongering vibes are unintentional -- the slavemongering is still there for passersby that don't have the backstory, months of petty sniping is still a really low quality of debate, and you guys seriously need to rethink this.

If you (plural) don't have anything intelligent to say in response to one of Lumen's posts, then maybe don't reply?

[Jeriga]

No one's dogpiling Lumen for being anti-slavery. They're dogpiling Lumen because his response to medical workers demanding that mask-wearing continue in their hospitals was to tell those people to quit if they don't like it.

He's not arguing for their freedoms, he's dismissing their extremely valid concerns about their own health and welfare, and the health and welfare of their patients. He's not supporting medical workers who have borne an incredible burden, he's telling them to fuck off because they want people to keep wearing masks. And people remember that he said that, and are holding him to it.

People haven't been providing that context, though. They've just been running around acting like it's a problem that Lumen opposes slavery.

If that's not what you guys intended, then maybe now would be a good time to step back and think about the way you argue your points. It's a public forum. People come and go all the time. Players who have been around a while may still drop in and out of threads. You can't expect everyone that reads a thread to have context from months ago.

A couple words or sentences of context could easily change the message from "Lumen, you are so irresponsible for opposing slavery!" to "Lumen, you are so irresponsible for opposing masks!" -- but people have not been providing that context. Lumen's debating can get kind of repetitive and whuh; but I really have to question the quality of other people's debating when it consists of repeatedly needling him about stuff he said months ago, spouting off one-liners that are the equivalent of, "But Lumen, I thought you were against slavery!" (with the implication that this is negative) and expecting everyone to guess what it's really about.

Even if the folks doing this are not true neo-Confederate scumbuckets and the slavemongering vibes are unintentional -- the slavemongering is still there for passersby that don't have the backstory, months of petty sniping is still a really low quality of debate, and you guys seriously need to rethink this.

If you (plural) don't have anything intelligent to say in response to one of Lumen's posts, then maybe don't reply?

You have 30,000 posts on ns and are just now questioning nsers' debate skills?

[Grave_n_idle]

No one's dogpiling Lumen for being anti-slavery. They're dogpiling Lumen because his response to medical workers demanding that mask-wearing continue in their hospitals was to tell those people to quit if they don't like it.

He's not arguing for their freedoms, he's dismissing their extremely valid concerns about their own health and welfare, and the health and welfare of their patients. He's not supporting medical workers who have borne an incredible burden, he's telling them to fuck off because they want people to keep wearing masks. And people remember that he said that, and are holding him to it.

People haven't been providing that context, though. They've just been running around acting like it's a problem that Lumen opposes slavery.

If that's not what you guys intended, then maybe now would be a good time to step back and think about the way you argue your points. It's a public forum. People come and go all the time. Players who have been around a while may still drop in and out of threads. You can't expect everyone that reads a thread to have context from months ago.

A couple words or sentences of context could easily change the message from "Lumen, you are so irresponsible for opposing slavery!" to "Lumen, you are so irresponsible for opposing masks!" -- but people have not been providing that context. Lumen's debating can get kind of repetitive and whuh; but I really have to question the quality of other people's debating when it consists of repeatedly needling him about stuff he said months ago, spouting off one-liners that are the equivalent of, "But Lumen, I thought you were against slavery!" (with the implication that this is negative) and expecting everyone to guess what it's really about.

Even if the folks doing this are not true neo-Confederate scumbuckets and the slavemongering vibes are unintentional -- the slavemongering is still there for passersby that don't have the backstory, months of petty sniping is still a really low quality of debate, and you guys seriously need to rethink this.

If you (plural) don't have anything intelligent to say in response to one of Lumen's posts, then maybe don't reply?

Go back and read Sunday morning's posts. Lumen posted a story about nurses quitting, and a bunch of people pointed out that this is what Lumen has been saying SHOULD happen.

It may be petty to point that out, but it's not an unintelligent thing to say. You make a post in a public forum - especially if you make the SAME posts over and over - and people are going to hold you accountable for it. And that's a good thing.

[The Alma Mater]

In other news: Fox is going to demand daily testing from non-vaccinated employees. This is far stricter than Biden asked.
In other news: about 90% of the Fox employees is vaccinated despite the network still pushing an "anti-vaccine, covid is a hoax" narrative.

[Diahon]

In other news: Fox is going to demand daily testing from non-vaccinated employees. This is far stricter than Biden asked.
In other news: about 90% of the Fox employees is vaccinated despite the network still pushing an "anti-vaccine, covid is a hoax" narrative.

quality over quantity, saith fox

[CoraSpia]

In other news: Fox is going to demand daily testing from non-vaccinated employees. This is far stricter than Biden asked.
In other news: about 90% of the Fox employees is vaccinated despite the network still pushing an "anti-vaccine, covid is a hoax" narrative.

Fox push vaccine choice, not 'do not get the vaccine.'

[Spirit of Hope]

In other news: Fox is going to demand daily testing from non-vaccinated employees. This is far stricter than Biden asked.
In other news: about 90% of the Fox employees is vaccinated despite the network still pushing an "anti-vaccine, covid is a hoax" narrative.

Fox push vaccine choice, not 'do not get the vaccine.'

No major presenters in the Fox News line up have pushed mistruths and lies about the vaccine. The have painted the vaccine as dangerous and repeated or amplified anti vax talking points. Tucker Carlson in particular has been doing this while also pushing dangerous medicine as a cure

[CoraSpia]

Fox push vaccine choice, not 'do not get the vaccine.'

No major presenters in the Fox News line up have pushed mistruths and lies about the vaccine. The have painted the vaccine as dangerous and repeated or amplified anti vax talking points. Tucker Carlson in particular has been doing this while also pushing dangerous medicine as a cure

If you have presenters there who support the vaccine and others who oppose it, that's promoting vaccine choice.

[Vassenor]

No major presenters in the Fox News line up have pushed mistruths and lies about the vaccine. The have painted the vaccine as dangerous and repeated or amplified anti vax talking points. Tucker Carlson in particular has been doing this while also pushing dangerous medicine as a cure

If you have presenters there who support the vaccine and others who oppose it, that's promoting vaccine choice.

So which presenters supported the vaccine and how? Because you're arguing they're supporting choice basically by having a token pro-vaccine voice who gets shouted down by everyone.

[Spirit of Hope]

No major presenters in the Fox News line up have pushed mistruths and lies about the vaccine. The have painted the vaccine as dangerous and repeated or amplified anti vax talking points. Tucker Carlson in particular has been doing this while also pushing dangerous medicine as a cure

If you have presenters there who support the vaccine and others who oppose it, that's promoting vaccine choice.

Not if one side is lying or misrepresenting the facts. If you say the vaccine is more dangerous than covid, which has been said on fox news, you are lying. If you say people have died shortly after getting the vaccine, without mentioning that their deaths are not connected to the vaccine, again something fox news has done, you are misrepresenting the facts.

There are not two rational sides to ever argument, pretending there are is wrong. The sky is blue, the world is round, and the covid vaccines are safe. These are facts backed up by science. Letting the side that is against facts on air and not challenging their lies isn't "promoting vaccine choice," it's lying to your viewers. Promoting alternative medicines that don't work isn't "covering the alternatives," it's putting out and supporting misinformation.

[Ethel mermania]

economic impact of covid on las vegas


https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... ket-newtab

[The Alma Mater]

If you have presenters there who support the vaccine and others who oppose it, that's promoting vaccine choice.

Not if one side is lying or misrepresenting the facts. If you say the vaccine is more dangerous than covid, which has been said on fox news, you are lying. If you say people have died shortly after getting the vaccine, without mentioning that their deaths are not connected to the vaccine, again something fox news has done, you are misrepresenting the facts.

There are not two rational sides to ever argument, pretending there are is wrong. The sky is blue, the world is round, and the covid vaccines are safe. These are facts backed up by science. Letting the side that is against facts on air and not challenging their lies isn't "promoting vaccine choice," it's lying to your viewers. Promoting alternative medicines that don't work isn't "covering the alternatives," it's putting out and supporting misinformation.

Remember that CoraSpia was a mod for a subreddit that deliberately spread covid misinformation to the mentally unstable. They do not believe in responsibility.

[CoraSpia]

If you have presenters there who support the vaccine and others who oppose it, that's promoting vaccine choice.

Not if one side is lying or misrepresenting the facts. If you say the vaccine is more dangerous than covid, which has been said on fox news, you are lying. If you say people have died shortly after getting the vaccine, without mentioning that their deaths are not connected to the vaccine, again something fox news has done, you are misrepresenting the facts.

There are not two rational sides to ever argument, pretending there are is wrong. The sky is blue, the world is round, and the covid vaccines are safe. These are facts backed up by science. Letting the side that is against facts on air and not challenging their lies isn't "promoting vaccine choice," it's lying to your viewers. Promoting alternative medicines that don't work isn't "covering the alternatives," it's putting out and supporting misinformation.

This seems like promoting vaccine choice to me:
https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/the- ... s-dr-fauci

[Kannap]

Isn't this what you wanted? If it gets too hard for them they can just quit?

Everyone dogpiling Lumen on this needs seriously needs to stop.

If someone's job is too hard for them, then yes, they can quit. If you disagree, you are advocating slavery. That's what it is if people can't quit their job: slavery.

Healthcare workers have been carrying a huge burden during this pandemic, and they have every right to say they are done and it is someone else's turn to carry that burden. They are free human beings, you do not own them, and yes, they can quit their jobs.

You people are dogpiling Lumen for being antislavery. Is it still 1862? Did I hallucinate the 13th amendment being passed?

I also hallucinated two world wars, a mission to the moon, and several Star Wars movies. Those must have been some powerful shrooms. Whoa...

You can still give Lumen hell for his overblown panic about masks. Just please for the love of all that is good and holy stop going after him on this one thing about healthcare workers leaving their jobs.

If somebody's job is too hard for them, yeah, they can quit. But my reply to Lumen was built on months of the rest of us proposing ideas that the healthcare industry and hospitals could implement to make jobs less of a burden than they presently are just for Lumen to suggest that such thinking is nonsense and if "the job is too hard for them, they should quit."

I'm not suggesting healthcare workers should be required to do the job, but that they should be treated better by their employers/paid more. I'm not yelling at Lumen for being "anti-slavery," but merely pointing out his months of saying medical workers should quit if they can't handle the present workload rather than incentivizing them to continue working (if they can without harming their physical or mental health) indicates he shouldn't be surprised when it actually happens.

[Kannap]

Today's milestone? 1 in every 500 Americans has died of COVID. For comparison, about 2 in every 100,000 Americans die of flu each year

[Spirit of Hope]

Not if one side is lying or misrepresenting the facts. If you say the vaccine is more dangerous than covid, which has been said on fox news, you are lying. If you say people have died shortly after getting the vaccine, without mentioning that their deaths are not connected to the vaccine, again something fox news has done, you are misrepresenting the facts.

There are not two rational sides to ever argument, pretending there are is wrong. The sky is blue, the world is round, and the covid vaccines are safe. These are facts backed up by science. Letting the side that is against facts on air and not challenging their lies isn't "promoting vaccine choice," it's lying to your viewers. Promoting alternative medicines that don't work isn't "covering the alternatives," it's putting out and supporting misinformation.

This seems like promoting vaccine choice to me:
https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/the- ... s-dr-fauci

Misinformation spotted: covid is more dangerous than the common cold, even to kids.

Misinformation spotted: their is no evidence that covid came from gain of function testing in China. While it is something that should be looked into, I repeat, there has been no evidence found to support the idea that covid came from a lab in China.

Misinformation spotted: Dr. Fauci did not mislead American citizens about covid. We have learned, after the fact, that some of our initial thinking was wrong.

Now I don't see anything in there arguing why you shouldn't get vaccinated, mostly just complaining about how Biden is trying to get people vaccinated and that their are still covid lock down and quarantine procedures in place. Which their should be given we are seeing more infections now than last August.

Also one transcript from one show does not the entire story paint. Again, multiple members of fox news, on multiple occasions, have spread false and misleading information about covid.

Please present your evidence for why someone shouldn't get vaccinated.

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/p ... ons-in-two

WHO reports first drop in global infections in two months

[Outer Sparta]

Anyone else hear about Nick Minaj's weird Twitter rant on vaccines? Then again, I wouldn't trust a celebrity over medical experts on vaccines just because they are rich and famous and operate like they're better than anyone.

[Dogmeat]

There is no eye roll hard enough for this fucking nonsense.

More Americans have died than in both World Wars combined, but it's tyranny to ban boating. Never mind that there are boats, on the lake, that I can see from my house. Right now.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg? Oh god! What else have they done. Tax light beer? What tyranny!

The Governor of Michigan banned boating at one point.

My State Governor once closed a national park when there were drought conditions and the threat of forest fire. Not even an actual fire, just the possibility of one.

Obviously this is the worst form of tyranny! The kind that slightly inconveniences ME!

[Kannap]

The Governor of Michigan banned boating at one point.

My State Governor once closed a national park when there were drought conditions and the threat of forest fire. Not even an actual fire, just the possibility of one.

Obviously this is the worst form of tyranny! The kind that slightly inconveniences ME!

My county officials one time, during drought conditions and the threat of forest fire (no actual forest fire - at least not that season) banned outdoor fires entirely. Couldn't even have a bonfire in your backyard. Absolutely tyrannical I was in the mood for burnt marshmallows as soon as I read the ban.

[Kannap]

Mom's been sick this week and got tested for COVID on Monday. Lab results came back today: Negative.

Relieved for sure, but now we're wondering what she's sick with. Doc didn't tell her/didn't give her anything for the chance it isn't COVID.

[Outer Sparta]

There is no eye roll hard enough for this fucking nonsense.

More Americans have died than in both World Wars combined, but it's tyranny to ban boating. Never mind that there are boats, on the lake, that I can see from my house. Right now.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg? Oh god! What else have they done. Tax light beer? What tyranny!

The Governor of Michigan banned boating at one point.

Are you one of those people who think a boating ban = North Korean repression? Are you a boater yourself like those who went on Lake Travis and hung up MAGA flags?

[CoraSpia]

My State Governor once closed a national park when there were drought conditions and the threat of forest fire. Not even an actual fire, just the possibility of one.

Obviously this is the worst form of tyranny! The kind that slightly inconveniences ME!

My county officials one time, during drought conditions and the threat of forest fire (no actual forest fire - at least not that season) banned outdoor fires entirely. Couldn't even have a bonfire in your backyard. Absolutely tyrannical I was in the mood for burnt marshmallows as soon as I read the ban.

Even if there is a nearby forest fire I wouldn't support that. Apparently Australia loves rules like that.

[San Lumen]

My county officials one time, during drought conditions and the threat of forest fire (no actual forest fire - at least not that season) banned outdoor fires entirely. Couldn't even have a bonfire in your backyard. Absolutely tyrannical I was in the mood for burnt marshmallows as soon as I read the ban.

Even if there is a nearby forest fire I wouldn't support that. Apparently Australia loves rules like that.

What? Forest fires are awful and in drought conditions can easily start. On this i cannot agree with you.