Coronavirus Thread VII: Jagged Little Pill (READ OP)

[The Black Forrest]

The phrase "sacrificing freedoms" is a flag. If you aren't willing to sacrifice any; you have an acceptable level.....

And it basically means "everyone else can piss off and die so long as it means I'm not impacted in any way."

What's funny is all the stories of rallying around together and fight/fix something. You know if there was a big disaster; people would turn on each other in a heartbeat.

-edit- Didn't mean to click submit.

As I was going to say. I saw video of people getting into fistfights over TP!!!!

Even Katee Sackhoff (Bo-Katan and Starbuck) commented she didn't get all the crazy over this. You have a shower next to your toilet; what's the problem?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

And it basically means "everyone else can piss off and die so long as it means I'm not impacted in any way."

What's funny is all the stories of rallying around together and fight/fix something. You know if there was a big disaster; people would turn on each other in a heartbeat.

And here I am wondering how the hell Britain survived the Blitz.

[The Black Forrest]

What's funny is all the stories of rallying around together and fight/fix something. You know if there was a big disaster; people would turn on each other in a heartbeat.

And here I am wondering how the hell Britain survived the Blitz.

Different character between the generations. Even here in the US; all the complaining about masks and lockdown. How the hell would these people handle the rationing our grand and great-grandparents had to go through during WW2?

[Fartsniffage]

What's funny is all the stories of rallying around together and fight/fix something. You know if there was a big disaster; people would turn on each other in a heartbeat.

And here I am wondering how the hell Britain survived the Blitz.

If you fucked around in London during the Blitz then the government put you in prison or executed you. Plenty of incentive to behave.

[Tinhampton]

Imagine waking up in the USA one morning to find out that receiving a tonsilectomy has major and hitherto-untold health benefits. In light of this, the President announces that virtually all Americans over twelve must receive a tonsilectomy, and that refusing to do so will be a crime. Those who refuse will not be allowed to use cash without receiving a tonsilectomy, cannot acquire the ID necessary to open a bank account without receiving a tonsilectomy, and - if found guilty of breaching the new requirement - will be sentenced to receiving a tonsilectomy. There is no escape from the tonsilectomy.

...could you? This is what Hypothetical President 95X's coronavirus vaccination policy would amount to, plus a bit on the side

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In the United Kingdom:

• all under-40s who seek vaccination will receive the Pfizer (or Moderna) vaccine
• all teenagers who seek vaccination will receive the Pfizer vaccine
• all "booster shots" will be a dose of Pfizer vaccine - despite the fact that AstraZenica has also been authorised for these purposes
• the vast supermajority of over-40s have been vaccinated twice anyway (with any vaccine)

At this rate I'm surprised we haven't officially stopped using AstraZenica yet

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

This is an RNA virus with an unparalleled mutation speed.
As long as there is no way to completely eliminate it,
there will always be a type that makes the vaccine ineffective.

Need drugs that can cope with the condition.

They discovered that certain anticoagulants can help.

[San Lumen]

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2021 ... in-england

Britain cancels plans for Vaccine passports

[Diahon]

If you point out that someone telling workers to fuck off and quit when they demand safer working conditions is not, in fact, arguing an anti-slavery position, then it is you who are the pro-slavery person.

This is not about that at all. its about healthcare workers feeling exhausted and tired. They are free to leave those jobs.

we have eyes, san lumen

[Spirit of Hope]

Imagine waking up in the USA one morning to find out that receiving a tonsilectomy has major and hitherto-untold health benefits. In light of this, the President announces that virtually all Americans over twelve must receive a tonsilectomy, and that refusing to do so will be a crime. Those who refuse will not be allowed to use cash without receiving a tonsilectomy, cannot acquire the ID necessary to open a bank account without receiving a tonsilectomy, and - if found guilty of breaching the new requirement - will be sentenced to receiving a tonsilectomy. There is no escape from the tonsilectomy.

...could you? This is what Hypothetical President 95X's coronavirus vaccination policy would amount to, plus a bit on the side

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In the United Kingdom:

• all under-40s who seek vaccination will receive the Pfizer (or Moderna) vaccine
• all teenagers who seek vaccination will receive the Pfizer vaccine
• all "booster shots" will be a dose of Pfizer vaccine - despite the fact that AstraZenica has also been authorised for these purposes
• the vast supermajority of over-40s have been vaccinated twice anyway (with any vaccine)

At this rate I'm surprised we haven't officially stopped using AstraZenica yet

Well this is an outrageous comparison.

First a tonsillectomy is far more invasive than a vaccine shot. I would think there is an obvious difference between a free medical procedure that involves getting two small doses administered by syringe and isn't linked to any deaths and a procedure that easily costs a couple thousand dollars, involves the removal of body parts, and kills between 1 in 2,000 to 1 in 50,000.

Second there is no mandate to receive a vaccine unless you work for the government. Business with over 100 employees must ensure employees either get the vaccine or are regularly tested. So there is an opt out option.

Third this doesn't effect your ability to open a bank account, get an ID, or use cash.

Forth their is no criminal punishment for not getting vaccinated (see point 2).

In the US I'm not seeing why this is a big deal, local and state governments have in the past required vaccines in the past as part of public health. Jacobson v. Massachusetts clearly established they have the right to do so.

[North Washington Republic]

Veronica Wolski, Chicago woman at the center of ivermectin firestorm, dies of pneumonia due to COVID-19 infection, officials say

No matter how many Qanon/anti-masker/anti-vaxxers die of COVID, it’s not going to convince them to get vaccinated.

[Xmara]

There’s a poll on my local news website that asks if you would allow your 5-11 year old to get the covid vaccine. 2/3 said no.

[San Lumen]

There’s a poll on my local news website that asks if you would allow your 5-11 year old to get the covid vaccine. 2/3 said no.

How was this poll conducted? Was it online? if so I wouldn't put much stock in it.

[Maricarland]

Veronica Wolski, Chicago woman at the center of ivermectin firestorm, dies of pneumonia due to COVID-19 infection, officials say

No matter how many Qanon/anti-masker/anti-vaxxers die of COVID, it’s not going to convince them to get vaccinated.

At this point it is a religious conviction for them to not get vaccinated (regardless if they are tying their anti-vaxxer ideas to religion or not). Only a fraction of these people will be changing the minds in the near future if given the right conditions in their lives. By the time a more substantive percentage of them finally comes around, it will be too late. In the U.S. we are near a peak (a peak that is always changing mind you, covid-19 is changing and is therefore a moving target, and therefore the vaccination rate is also a moving target as is a society's attitudes toward covid-19 and vaccination) of people who are willing to get vaccinated without outside incentives/disincentives such as vaccine mandates, vaccine passports, money for being vaccinated, and so on...

[Kerwa]

There’s a poll on my local news website that asks if you would allow your 5-11 year old to get the covid vaccine. 2/3 said no.

The UK’s JCVI (the government group that studies and makes recommendations about vaccines) recommended against vaccinating 12-15 year olds. So opposing vaccination for 5-11 year olds is not some crazy anti vaccine position.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Veronica Wolski, Chicago woman at the center of ivermectin firestorm, dies of pneumonia due to COVID-19 infection, officials say

No matter how many Qanon/anti-masker/anti-vaxxers die of COVID, it’s not going to convince them to get vaccinated.

It's not uncommon to hear stories of people dying of CoVID19 and telling doctors, point blank, that CoVID is a hoax. That it's impossible they're dying from it. It's that bad.

[Australian rePublic]

Yesturday, I got my second AstroZenica shot and am now officially fully vaccinated

[Australian rePublic]

Fake Covid Passports sold online
Well, this ain't good

[Maricarland]

At this point we will need disincentives and incentives (beyond preventing illness, serious symptoms, death, and their spread, and ending the need for masks and other measures to control the spread) to get more Americans vaccinated. So the question is what should those disincentives and incentives be, and how feasible are they.

I think that for incentives we should offer $1,000 or maybe $2,000 to everyone who gets fully vaccinated, and this could be retroactive so anyone who already got vaccinated would also be eligible for a one time payment of the same amount.

I think that one of the best disincentives to avoid vaccination would also be a measure that helps prevent the spread of covid-19 and protect people in public, and that is requiring a proof of vaccination (which can be delivered to people viable the United States Postal Service) to enter any non-residential building other than grocery stores, drug stores, doctor offices, polling places, and other things that are essential. A mask mandate for all people should be in place at all times (except when doing activity that requires the removal of a mask, such as eating or swimming - but regular indoor exercise in a public space still requires the use of a mask).

We also should use mandates when we can, such as in K-12 education, higher education, being a public or government employee, working at workplaces with more than 100 employees, etc...

[Xmara]

Good grief. Gov. DeSantis says cities, counties could face millions in fines over vaccine mandates for employees.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said Monday that cities and counties in the state could face millions of dollars in fines for requiring that their employees get vaccinated against the coronavirus, the latest escalation in Republican leaders’ opposition to public health mandates.

“You don’t just cast aside people who have been serving faithfully over this issue, over what’s basically a personal choice on their individual health,” DeSantis said at a news conference. He spoke alongside government workers who vowed to fight their local rules. One used the microphone to spread misinformation about coronavirus vaccines, saying falsely that “the vaccine changes your RNA.”

DeSantis pointed to a Florida law passed this year that bars government entities from requiring proof of vaccination or recovery from infection “to gain access to, entry upon, or service from” their operations. The law threatens fines of up to $5,000 per violation and also bans private businesses from making customers show they are vaccinated.

“And so if a government agency in the state of Florida forces a vaccine as a condition to employment, that violates Florida law,” DeSantis said Monday.
The governor has clashed with local leaders over masks in schools and is among a chorus of Republican governors denouncing or vowing action against President Biden’s sweeping order requiring businesses with more than 100 employees to require their workers to be vaccinated or to be regularly tested for coronavirus.
Local leaders defended their mandates amid persistent vaccine hesitancy but said they would examine the issue further.

“It [is] our belief that as employer we retain the right to require vaccination as a condition of employment,” tweeted Lauren Poe (D), the mayor of Gainesville. “After we have had a chance to look at the Governor’s written order when it is promulgated, we may have additional comment.”

Asked about DeSantis’s statements at a news conference Monday, Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings (D) said, “We will look at whatever directive the governor is putting out and we’ll consider our legal options.”

[Shrillland]

Good grief. Gov. DeSantis says cities, counties could face millions in fines over vaccine mandates for employees.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said Monday that cities and counties in the state could face millions of dollars in fines for requiring that their employees get vaccinated against the coronavirus, the latest escalation in Republican leaders’ opposition to public health mandates.

“You don’t just cast aside people who have been serving faithfully over this issue, over what’s basically a personal choice on their individual health,” DeSantis said at a news conference. He spoke alongside government workers who vowed to fight their local rules. One used the microphone to spread misinformation about coronavirus vaccines, saying falsely that “the vaccine changes your RNA.”

DeSantis pointed to a Florida law passed this year that bars government entities from requiring proof of vaccination or recovery from infection “to gain access to, entry upon, or service from” their operations. The law threatens fines of up to $5,000 per violation and also bans private businesses from making customers show they are vaccinated.

“And so if a government agency in the state of Florida forces a vaccine as a condition to employment, that violates Florida law,” DeSantis said Monday.
The governor has clashed with local leaders over masks in schools and is among a chorus of Republican governors denouncing or vowing action against President Biden’s sweeping order requiring businesses with more than 100 employees to require their workers to be vaccinated or to be regularly tested for coronavirus.
Local leaders defended their mandates amid persistent vaccine hesitancy but said they would examine the issue further.

“It [is] our belief that as employer we retain the right to require vaccination as a condition of employment,” tweeted Lauren Poe (D), the mayor of Gainesville. “After we have had a chance to look at the Governor’s written order when it is promulgated, we may have additional comment.”

Asked about DeSantis’s statements at a news conference Monday, Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings (D) said, “We will look at whatever directive the governor is putting out and we’ll consider our legal options.”

And on the other extreme: NYC's MTA now plans to withhold death benefits from any employees who die of COVID if they are unvaccinated

[Lalaki]

The government shouldn't restrict tools that can help end the pandemic, like rapid antigen tests.

I have firsthand experience with this; I bought rapid tests before traveling in July, but when I went back a couple of weeks ago because I had developed symptoms (thankfully I'd later test negative), the store was fresh out. Prices also went up online. It's frustrating because we (rightfully) complain about how people dealing with COVID fatigue are using BS treatments like ivermectin, but the government is also making genuine tests harder to get.

[Genivaria]

A Man Died After Being Turned Away From 43 ICUs At Capacity Due To COVID, Family Says

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... f7xI9PoDFI

[Necroghastia]

A Man Died After Being Turned Away From 43 ICUs At Capacity Due To COVID, Family Says

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... f7xI9PoDFI

In case it needs to be drilled in yet again. Vaccination is not a "personal" decision.

[The Black Forrest]

A Man Died After Being Turned Away From 43 ICUs At Capacity Due To COVID, Family Says

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... f7xI9PoDFI

MAGA!

They really have to rethink it. Beds must be set aside for people like this poor bastard. Anti-vaxers are the ones who should be calling around.

A Man Died After Being Turned Away From 43 ICUs At Capacity Due To COVID, Family Says

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... f7xI9PoDFI

In case it needs to be drilled in yet again. Vaccination is not a "personal" decision.

Why do you hate freedom?

[Pasong Tirad]

Yesturday, I got my second AstroZenica shot and am now officially fully vaccinated

It should take two weeks before the vaccine actually 100% works I think.