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Vassenor wrote:

The Alma Mater wrote:
Why ? What is the point of a society if it is not allowed to protect its members ?

Because selfish people hate the idea of having to give a shit about other people.

Which seems directly opposite to their abortion stance.

The Alma Mater wrote:

Great Algerstonia wrote:Indeed, all health decisions related to COVID-19 should be a personal choice. It is truly up to the individual, and the government has no right to keep me locked inside my home or show proof of vaccinations to businesses (the business themselves do though).

Why ? What is the point of a society if it is not allowed to protect its members ?

Society is oppression
- Maggie Thatcher, probably.

San Lumen wrote:

CoraSpia wrote:
OMG! Common sense?

This is what will happen in every country eventually.

I hope so, it's just taking far too long.

San Lumen wrote:

CoraSpia wrote:
OMG! Common sense?

This is what will happen in every country eventually.

Common sense is wearing masks to help stop the spread.

But you can't even manage that, can you?

CoraSpia wrote:

San Lumen wrote:This is what will happen in every country eventually.

I hope so, it's just taking far too long.

Agreed but I think it will only be a few more months. By this time next year Covid will no longer be dominating everyday life.

San Lumen wrote:

CoraSpia wrote:I hope so, it's just taking far too long.

Agreed but I think it will only be a few more months. By this time next year Covid will no longer be dominating everyday life.

As long as people follow mask-wearing, the quicker the pandemic will end. It's that simple.

The fact you keep complaining about this whole situation shows you have little care of wanting to help it end.

Celritannia wrote:

San Lumen wrote:This is what will happen in every country eventually.

Common sense is wearing masks to help stop the spread.

But you can't even manage that, can you?

I believe San Lumen has mentioned previously that he wears a mask where required.

San Lumen wrote:

CoraSpia wrote:I hope so, it's just taking far too long.

Agreed but I think it will only be a few more months. By this time next year Covid will no longer be dominating everyday life.

You said that last year.

Ifreann wrote:

San Lumen wrote:Agreed but I think it will only be a few more months. By this time next year Covid will no longer be dominating everyday life.

You said that last year.

Unfortunately he was naïve enough to have faith in his government and may have believed that all its talk about believing in liberty wasn't utter bullshit.

San Lumen wrote:

CoraSpia wrote:I hope so, it's just taking far too long.

Agreed but I think it will only be a few more months. By this time next year Covid will no longer be dominating everyday life.

I don't think it's currently dominating everyday life. I go to work and do my job just like I used to, just with a mask on.

The reason I don't take your opinion seriously though, is that you would have said exactly the same thing last year. And - if Covid is still going strong - you will still say exactly the same thing next year.

CoraSpia wrote:

Ifreann wrote:You said that last year.

Unfortunately he was naïve enough to have faith in his government and may have believed that all its talk about believing in liberty wasn't utter bullshit.

The liberty not to die or be hospitalised.

Neanderthaland wrote:

San Lumen wrote:Agreed but I think it will only be a few more months. By this time next year Covid will no longer be dominating everyday life.

I don't think it's currently dominating everyday life. I go to work and do my job just like I used to, just with a mask on.

The reason I don't take your opinion seriously though, is that you would have said exactly the same thing last year. And - if Covid is still going strong - you will still say exactly the same thing next year.

It’s not going to be one year from now. I have a hard time seeing it.

San Lumen wrote:

Neanderthaland wrote:I don't think it's currently dominating everyday life. I go to work and do my job just like I used to, just with a mask on.

The reason I don't take your opinion seriously though, is that you would have said exactly the same thing last year. And - if Covid is still going strong - you will still say exactly the same thing next year.

It’s not going to be one year from now. I have a hard time seeing it.

Again, you would have said exactly that a year ago.

Reality is not determined by how easy it is for you to see. Your gut feelings are worthless here.

Celritannia wrote:

CoraSpia wrote:Unfortunately he was naïve enough to have faith in his government and may have believed that all its talk about believing in liberty wasn't utter bullshit.

The liberty not to die or be hospitalised.

That's a right now?
I guess that the nhs should try and keep everyone alive no matter if it's in their best interests then.

Neanderthaland wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
It’s not going to be one year from now. I have a hard time seeing it.

Again, you would have said exactly that a year ago.

Reality is not determined by how easy it is for you to see. Your gut feelings are worthless here.

Whether it's around is impossible to predict. What can be forecasted however is whether the political will to keep restrictions in place will persist.

CoraSpia wrote:

Celritannia wrote:
The liberty not to die or be hospitalised.

That's a right now?
I guess that the nhs should try and keep everyone alive no matter if it's in their best interests then.

I don;t mean now, I was referring to your reference of last year.

But even still, we should still be wearing masks in England. I now Scotland, Wales, and NI still have mask mandates.

The Alma Mater wrote:

Great Algerstonia wrote:Indeed, all health decisions related to COVID-19 should be a personal choice. It is truly up to the individual, and the government has no right to keep me locked inside my home or show proof of vaccinations to businesses (the business themselves do though).

Why ? What is the point of a society if it is not allowed to protect its members ?

Because some people believe they're fully capable of taking care of themselves without society/the government taking care of them. Most of these people, of course, don't know how to take care of themselves without society helping take care of them.

CoraSpia wrote:That's a right now?
I guess that the nhs should try and keep everyone alive no matter if it's in their best interests then.

Shouldn't that be the primary responsibility of the healthcare system - keeping everyone alive as many as possible?

Picairn wrote:

CoraSpia wrote:That's a right now?
I guess that the nhs should try and keep everyone alive no matter if it's in their best interests then.

Shouldn't that be the primary responsibility of the healthcare system - keeping everyone alive as many as possible?

It is, and they have a done a damned bloody good job.

Celritannia wrote:

CoraSpia wrote:That's a right now?
I guess that the nhs should try and keep everyone alive no matter if it's in their best interests then.

I don;t mean now, I was referring to your reference of last year.

But even still, we should still be wearing masks in England. I now Scotland, Wales, and NI still have mask mandates.

I certainly don't believe that anyone who wants to wear a mask should feel any pressure to change their behaviour, but the vaccination rate now is such that the political will to keep mask mandates doesn't exist in England. This has never been about health, like every decision the government makes it's about political will. You can see that from the numerous times they didn't do what the scientists were saying, or did something totally random (like the 10 pm pub closing time) that wasn't advised in any sage papers.

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I mean, if you read back through the threads, Lumen's entire "brand" has been spouting Fox News talking points since about a week before his state's lockdown happened.

CoraSpia wrote:

Neanderthaland wrote:Again, you would have said exactly that a year ago.

Reality is not determined by how easy it is for you to see. Your gut feelings are worthless here.

Whether it's around is impossible to predict. What can be forecasted however is whether the political will to keep restrictions in place will persist.

A year from now ? No there will not be be any political will.

CoraSpia wrote:

Neanderthaland wrote:Again, you would have said exactly that a year ago.

Reality is not determined by how easy it is for you to see. Your gut feelings are worthless here.

Whether it's around is impossible to predict. What can be forecasted however is whether the political will to keep restrictions in place will persist.

For the record, things could improve significantly by a year from now. I'm not saying they won't, or that this is impossible.

I'm just saying that asking San Lumen about it is like asking Bagdad Bob how the war is going. The answer he gives has nothing at all to do with reality.

Picairn wrote:

CoraSpia wrote:That's a right now?
I guess that the nhs should try and keep everyone alive no matter if it's in their best interests then.

Shouldn't that be the primary responsibility of the healthcare system - keeping everyone alive as many as possible?

I'm talking about the cases in which someones life support is turned off without their consent, or the consent of the parents if it's a child. They crop up from time to time.