Coronavirus Thread VII: Jagged Little Pill (READ OP)

[CoraSpia]

Can't help but feel that, if a person has capacity to give informed consent (not 'make the right decision' they're too different things) and they're prepared to pay for the extra treatment that won't work and that they don't work, they should be entitled to get whatever treatment they want.

I mean if somebody rich and dumb enough wants to die they could go ask somebody willing to do euthanasia instead of whatever this is.

Or the hospital could just give them what they want, but make them sign waivers.

[Diahon]

I mean if somebody rich and dumb enough wants to die they could go ask somebody willing to do euthanasia instead of whatever this is.

Or the hospital could just give them what they want, but make them sign waivers.

Or shoot them upside the head instead, for the same reasons and results.

[CoraSpia]

Or the hospital could just give them what they want, but make them sign waivers.

Or shoot them upside the head instead, for the same reasons and results.

But you see, that's not what they want. Giving them this drug that the doctors can tell them doesn't work endlessly but that they keep insisting on leaves them with nobody else to blame but themselves if they suffer negative health consequences as a result.

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Getting tested today because I'm about to travel and now the slightest hint of symptoms makes me panic. All I have is a little thing in my throat which I'm 99% sure is just the result of hangover puking on Sunday (or the result of over-vaping which I do when stressed).

But this time tomorrow, if all goes well, I will be on a Lanzarote beach.

Remember the good old days of last decade when you would ignore a cough for a month and then finally go to the doctor and he'd say "you have bronchitis" and you'd say "k then."

[Fartsniffage]

Or shoot them upside the head instead, for the same reasons and results.

But you see, that's not what they want. Giving them this drug that the doctors can tell them doesn't work endlessly but that they keep insisting on leaves them with nobody else to blame but themselves if they suffer negative health consequences as a result.

And medics have the right to decline to kill people.

[New Visayan Islands]

Getting tested today because I'm about to travel and now the slightest hint of symptoms makes me panic. All I have is a little thing in my throat which I'm 99% sure is just the result of hangover puking on Sunday (or the result of over-vaping which I do when stressed).

But this time tomorrow, if all goes well, I will be on a Lanzarote beach.

Remember the good old days of last decade when you would ignore a cough for a month and then finally go to the doctor and he'd say "you have bronchitis" and you'd say "k then."

Godspeed.

Speaking of The Coof and travel plans, I'm planning to go back to Manila for a few days this October. Been almost a year since I moved to Bohol, and coming back even for a short while would be good...although coordinating with local health authorities on both sides of the stint would be a pain. No quarantine period going to Manila, but a return to Bohol would see at least 5 days last I checked.

[CoraSpia]

But you see, that's not what they want. Giving them this drug that the doctors can tell them doesn't work endlessly but that they keep insisting on leaves them with nobody else to blame but themselves if they suffer negative health consequences as a result.

And medics have the right to decline to kill people.

It's physician-assisted suicide, not murder. If you insist that you want this drug that doesn't work surely you can be seen as terminally ill, suffering from a rare form of untreatable stupid?

[Diahon]

And medics have the right to decline to kill people.

It's physician-assisted suicide, not murder. If you insist that you want this drug that doesn't work surely you can be seen as terminally ill, suffering from a rare form of untreatable stupid?

see, in actual euthanasia, the patient isnt under the persistent delusion that he's gonna be saving himself with a placebo that the entire world is withholding from him -- he knows he's gonna die, and is requesting that he die to end his suffering

which isn't this at all, but i can see why you're attracted to something that would make you care less about humanity

[The Alma Mater]

I mean if somebody rich and dumb enough wants to die they could go ask somebody willing to do euthanasia instead of whatever this is.

Or the hospital could just give them what they want, but make them sign waivers.

That does open the door to rich people experimenting on poor humans without restriction...

[Thermodolia]

And medics have the right to decline to kill people.

It's physician-assisted suicide, not murder. If you insist that you want this drug that doesn't work surely you can be seen as terminally ill, suffering from a rare form of untreatable stupid?

And physicians have the right to refuse to assist

[CoraSpia]

Or the hospital could just give them what they want, but make them sign waivers.

That does open the door to rich people experimenting on poor humans without restriction...

I'm talking about entirely patient-initiated requests. The relevant safeguards against coercion should of course be put in place to ensure both that this isn't being done in order to exploit desperate people when they don't want it themselves and that vulnerable people aren't forced into taking something that could be harmful by family members.

[Vassenor]

That does open the door to rich people experimenting on poor humans without restriction...

I'm talking about entirely patient-initiated requests. The relevant safeguards against coercion should of course be put in place to ensure both that this isn't being done in order to exploit desperate people when they don't want it themselves and that vulnerable people aren't forced into taking something that could be harmful by family members.

You still hate the idea that people know more than you about things don't you.

[CoraSpia]

I'm talking about entirely patient-initiated requests. The relevant safeguards against coercion should of course be put in place to ensure both that this isn't being done in order to exploit desperate people when they don't want it themselves and that vulnerable people aren't forced into taking something that could be harmful by family members.

You still hate the idea that people know more than you about things don't you.

I hate the idea that people are prevented from taking decisions for themselves, because of an over-paternalistic medical sector.

[Keira]

I tested my mum who has/had Covid, and now it shows up negative. She still has symptoms, though. I called the GP for her and was told that she should go to the A&E because of her fever and chest pains. Mum refuses, because she thinks the hospital is just gonna kill her, because she's a brain-dead cunt with a Soviet era mindset. Her Soviet brain tells her "government wants me dead" and "all gossips and conspiracy theories are true, especially if they're Russian".

Soviet Union has produced millions of zombies, and now, decades later, its successor is feeding those zombies Covid misinformation. Thanks, Russia, very cool. :|

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

You still hate the idea that people know more than you about things don't you.

I hate the idea that people are prevented from taking decisions for themselves, because of an over-paternalistic medical sector.

Do you want to make it ok to take dimethylmercury for syphilis?

[Great Britain et Ireland]

the slightest hint of symptoms makes me panic.

How can you live like that?

The pandemic changed absolutely nothing about how I live my life. I work in a very busy place, and I (nor most of my coworkers) have worn masks since last September.

[CoraSpia]

I hate the idea that people are prevented from taking decisions for themselves, because of an over-paternalistic medical sector.

Do you want to make it ok to take dimethylmercury for syphilis?

Does the person in question want to have the treatment in question to treat the condition in question, whether or not the condition exists? Are they willing to cover the cost of said treatment? That's my test.

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I hate the idea that people are prevented from taking decisions for themselves, because of an over-paternalistic medical sector.

Do you want to make it ok to take dimethylmercury for syphilis?

Doctors shouldn't be giving people mercury but if someone wants to order mercury themselves and take it, they should be able to. I'd be good with making the mercury vendors having to make people agree to a disclaimer that says "I acknowledge that I have been told that there is no medicinal value to mercury and that drinking this will kill me."

[Kerwa]

Do you want to make it ok to take dimethylmercury for syphilis?

TBF I am against most drugs laws, so it would be hypocritical for me to get upset about people eating horse medicine. I think it’s stupid, but whatever floats their boat I suppose.

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the slightest hint of symptoms makes me panic.

How can you live like that?

The pandemic changed absolutely nothing about how I live my life. I work in a very busy place, and I (nor most of my coworkers) have worn masks since last September.

I meant I don't want to have my holiday ruined and/or end up in a quarantine hotel which is pretty much jail. Were it last month and I was just home I wouldn't worry so much. But while most people of the world were whining about summer being too hot I was living in one of the only temperate climates where it was rainy and cool most of the time so I really, really need my week long holiday in a warm and sunny place.

[Tinhampton]

I tested my mum who has/had Covid, and now it shows up negative. She still has symptoms, though. I called the GP for her and was told that she should go to the A&E because of her fever and chest pains. Mum refuses, because she thinks the hospital is just gonna kill her, because she's a brain-dead cunt with a Soviet era mindset. Her Soviet brain tells her "government wants me dead" and "all gossips and conspiracy theories are true, especially if they're Russian".

Soviet Union has produced millions of zombies, and now, decades later, its successor is feeding those zombies Covid misinformation. Thanks, Russia, very cool. :|

I've been tired of reading 95X's demands that every American aged over twelve be vaccinated against coronavirus for a few weeks now...

(emphasis added by Tinhampton)

[Dogmeat]

Or shoot them upside the head instead, for the same reasons and results.

But you see, that's not what they want. Giving them this drug that the doctors can tell them doesn't work endlessly but that they keep insisting on leaves them with nobody else to blame but themselves if they suffer negative health consequences as a result.

No. That's irresponsible practice. You don't give potentially dangerous drugs out simply because a client wants them. That's how you lose your medical license. It's also how you get an opioid epidemic.

[Keira]

I tested my mum who has/had Covid, and now it shows up negative. She still has symptoms, though. I called the GP for her and was told that she should go to the A&E because of her fever and chest pains. Mum refuses, because she thinks the hospital is just gonna kill her, because she's a brain-dead cunt with a Soviet era mindset. Her Soviet brain tells her "government wants me dead" and "all gossips and conspiracy theories are true, especially if they're Russian".

Soviet Union has produced millions of zombies, and now, decades later, its successor is feeding those zombies Covid misinformation. Thanks, Russia, very cool. :|

I've been tired of reading 95X's demands that every American aged over twelve be vaccinated against coronavirus for a few weeks now...

(emphasis added by Tinhampton)

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What are you talking about?? Who the fuck is 95X and what's that got to do with me or my post?

[CoraSpia]

But you see, that's not what they want. Giving them this drug that the doctors can tell them doesn't work endlessly but that they keep insisting on leaves them with nobody else to blame but themselves if they suffer negative health consequences as a result.

No. That's irresponsible practice. You don't give potentially dangerous drugs out simply because a client wants them. That's how you lose your medical license. It's also how you get an opioid epidemic.

You might have negative societal consequences, but allowing the patient to choose what they want to put in their own body is far more important in my opinion as it furthers the cause of free will. Even if the drug in question is totally not required for the patient, if they wish to purchase it out of their own cash then they should be allowed to do so. The only exceptions to this that I agree with concern people who are unable to give consent (like children, I don't believe this extends to parents making choices for their kids) and cases where coercion may be suspected.

[Post War America]

Getting tested today because I'm about to travel and now the slightest hint of symptoms makes me panic. All I have is a little thing in my throat which I'm 99% sure is just the result of hangover puking on Sunday (or the result of over-vaping which I do when stressed).

But this time tomorrow, if all goes well, I will be on a Lanzarote beach.

Remember the good old days of last decade when you would ignore a cough for a month and then finally go to the doctor and he'd say "you have bronchitis" and you'd say "k then."

Same, I'm supposed to be going overseas for work soon, and the fact that I'm sneezing is making me paranoid, despite the fact I've gone into a self-imposed quarantine for at least the past few days.