Coronavirus Thread VII: Jagged Little Pill (READ OP)

[San Lumen]

No that’s what you want since your still clinging to the fantasy that is zero Covid.

Masking forever is your solution?

What is so oppressive about cloth over your face that you would rather let the virus run rampant than be subjected to it?

Because the rationale for everyone wearing is quite simple:

Facial communication is part of being human.

Are you suggesting we have mask mandates henceforth over one virus?

[Grave_n_idle]

Facial communication is part of being human.

So a facial paralysis patient is less than human?

Are you suggesting we have mask mandates henceforth over one virus?

Are you suggesting that we stop prophylaxis for diseases?

[San Lumen]

Facial communication is part of being human.

So a facial paralysis patient is less than human?

Are you suggesting we have mask mandates henceforth over one virus?

Are you suggesting that we stop prophylaxis for diseases?

Never said that.

I don't know what that is.

[Vassenor]

So a facial paralysis patient is less than human?



Are you suggesting that we stop prophylaxis for diseases?

Never said that.

I don't know what that is.

Taking preventative measures to limit the spread of a disease. Like wearing masks.

[San Lumen]

Never said that.

I don't know what that is.

Taking preventative measures to limit the spread of a disease. Like wearing masks.

What measures should we be taking that almost every country other than China has dropped at this point?

At what point do we stop according to you? Or should we have masks forever over one virus?

[Grave_n_idle]

So a facial paralysis patient is less than human?



Are you suggesting that we stop prophylaxis for diseases?

Never said that.

I don't know what that is.

You said that "Facial communication is part of being human" didn't you?

So, logically, someone who can't communicate with their face is less than human, surely?

Isn't that why you're arguing that masks are bad? Because they stop you communicating with your face (allegedly?) somehow?

[Grave_n_idle]

What measures should we be taking that almost every country other than China has dropped at this point?

China is going to be the metric we're competing against? Seriously?

[Galloism]

No that’s what you want since your still clinging to the fantasy that is zero Covid.

Masking forever is your solution?

What is so oppressive about cloth over your face that you would rather let the virus run rampant than be subjected to it?

For the record, I find wearing a mask to suck. I hate it. It's uncomfortable and annoying, and it's difficult for people on the spectrum due to the fact that they can't see facial expressions very well.

I also find wearing a bulletproof vest to suck. It's heavy, uncomfortable, bulky, and annoying (if you're wearing even a moderately decent one), and it's very irritating to wear one.

But, situationally, sometimes the suck is less than the suck of not wearing it. I've worn a bulletproof vest in certain contexts before to mitigate the risk of the exact situation I was facing at the time, and wearing a mask is basically the same idea.

We won't wear them forever, only as long as it necessary (just like a vest), but it is still appropriate to do so at this time.

[Galloism]

Isn't that why you're arguing that masks are bad? Because they stop you communicating with your face (allegedly?) somehow?

Just to be clear, wearing most kinds of masks DOES inhibit communication in a significant fashion.

It's just that... we do things to limit risk even if they are inconvenient and annoying.

[Neutraligon]

What is so oppressive about cloth over your face that you would rather let the virus run rampant than be subjected to it?

For the record, I find wearing a mask to suck. I hate it. It's uncomfortable and annoying, and it's difficult for people on the spectrum due to the fact that they can't see facial expressions very well.

I also find wearing a bulletproof vest to suck. It's heavy, uncomfortable, bulky, and annoying (if you're wearing even a moderately decent one), and it's very irritating to wear one.

But, situationally, sometimes the suck is less than the suck of not wearing it. I've worn a bulletproof vest in certain contexts before to mitigate the risk of the exact situation I was facing at the time, and wearing a mask is basically the same idea.

We won't wear them forever, only as long as it necessary (just like a vest), but it is still appropriate to do so at this time.

Honestly, when going on public transportation or using a plane, I plan to continue to wear masks. Same for if I get sick. I would support that being a part of our culture.

Isn't that why you're arguing that masks are bad? Because they stop you communicating with your face (allegedly?) somehow?

Just to be clear, wearing most kinds of masks DOES inhibit communication in a significant fashion.

It's just that... we do things to limit risk even if they are inconvenient and annoying.

No more than a phone call...or using social media like ns.

[Galloism]

For the record, I find wearing a mask to suck. I hate it. It's uncomfortable and annoying, and it's difficult for people on the spectrum due to the fact that they can't see facial expressions very well.

I also find wearing a bulletproof vest to suck. It's heavy, uncomfortable, bulky, and annoying (if you're wearing even a moderately decent one), and it's very irritating to wear one.

But, situationally, sometimes the suck is less than the suck of not wearing it. I've worn a bulletproof vest in certain contexts before to mitigate the risk of the exact situation I was facing at the time, and wearing a mask is basically the same idea.

We won't wear them forever, only as long as it necessary (just like a vest), but it is still appropriate to do so at this time.

Honestly, when going on public transportation or using a plane, I plan to continue to wear masks. Same for if I get sick. I would support that being a part of our culture.

Yeah, I'm not doing that.

Just to be clear, wearing most kinds of masks DOES inhibit communication in a significant fashion.

It's just that... we do things to limit risk even if they are inconvenient and annoying.

No more than a phone call...or using social media like ns.

Absolutely true. And look how well that goes many times due to significant miscommunications driven by the missing portions of communication.

[Kannap]

Are you suggesting it wasn't?



How do you feel about them continuing to require proof of vaccination and mask wearing?



It shouldn't be only mandated on public transit, it should be mandated pretty much everywhere to prevent cases from rising.



They've eliminated the bare minimum common sense safety requirements in the midst of a pandemic where its proven that mask wearing seriously helps. If that isn't dumb, then I don't know what is.



Will there ever be a day you see somebody complaining about government and do something other than waste their time with a recommendation that they run against the incumbent who has millions of dollars to throw at an election campaign?



I wouldn't be so sure. If you'd asked me in March 2020, I wouldn't have said COVID would still be a pandemic in March 2022, but here we are. It's going to continue being a pandemic for the foreseeable future if we continue on this path of not doing anything about it that our government seems hellbent on taking.



Not often I agree with something the Catholic church does, but bravo on this one.

I don’t see how it was political. People are fatigued and want to move on with their lives.

They're politicians who are making laws and there's an election looming on the horizon. It's nothing but political. The science suggests the pandemic isn't over and the data suggests measures such as social distancing and mask wearing work, so the decision must be political since it's certainly not rooted in science or any sense of obligation to protect the lives of their constituents.

So just about every executive worldwide is stupid to you?

Some of them might be, but no - most of them are something worse than stupid: They know what they're doing, they know the harm it will cause, they're deliberately being neglectful.

Broadway still requiring masks and vaccination proof is silly when almost everywhere else has dropped it.

For once, I actually think Broadway has the right idea here. And that's saying a lot knowing how I feel normally about Broadway.

When if ever do we drop masks in your view? Cases will go up and down. It’s what a virus does.

I've answered this before and you've asked for it again and I've reposted my answer two or three times since originally posting it. I don't know if you've read it or not, but feel free to revisit it.

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But, situationally, sometimes the suck is less than the suck of not wearing it. I've worn a bulletproof vest in certain contexts before to mitigate the risk of the exact situation I was facing at the time, and wearing a mask is basically the same idea.

Off topic but I'm really curious: What exactly is your job/life situation that you've worn bulletproof vests multiple times?

[Galloism]

But, situationally, sometimes the suck is less than the suck of not wearing it. I've worn a bulletproof vest in certain contexts before to mitigate the risk of the exact situation I was facing at the time, and wearing a mask is basically the same idea.

Off topic but I'm really curious: What exactly is your job/life situation that you've worn bulletproof vests multiple times?

Once upon a time I used to be a police officer.

Not anymore.

(Also haven't worn a vest in quite a long time)

[San Lumen]

I don’t see how it was political. People are fatigued and want to move on with their lives.

They're politicians who are making laws and there's an election looming on the horizon. It's nothing but political. The science suggests the pandemic isn't over and the data suggests measures such as social distancing and mask wearing work, so the decision must be political since it's certainly not rooted in science or any sense of obligation to protect the lives of their constituents.

So just about every executive worldwide is stupid to you?

Some of them might be, but no - most of them are something worse than stupid: They know what they're doing, they know the harm it will cause, they're deliberately being neglectful.

Broadway still requiring masks and vaccination proof is silly when almost everywhere else has dropped it.

For once, I actually think Broadway has the right idea here. And that's saying a lot knowing how I feel normally about Broadway.

When if ever do we drop masks in your view? Cases will go up and down. It’s what a virus does.

I've answered this before and you've asked for it again and I've reposted my answer two or three times since originally posting it. I don't know if you've read it or not, but feel free to revisit it.

Its not political. Its seeing the need to move on and accept it as part of life. Experts don't make law. Experts aren't elected.

capacity limits hurt business. Its no longer feasible to do it anymore.

I dont see how they are stupid. What is the metric to you for when we stop acting like its mid 2020?

When should Broadway end it if ever?

[Kannap]

Remember, just saying we're tired and want to move on will magically make the virus go away and promise very very nicely to never infect anyone ever again.

It’s never going away. It’s here to stay and we have to learn to live with it like every other pathogen in existence.

I agree, but perhaps we mitigate it to the point that its as deadly as the flu instead of continuing to allow thousands of people die every day?

[Ifreann]

They're politicians who are making laws and there's an election looming on the horizon. It's nothing but political. The science suggests the pandemic isn't over and the data suggests measures such as social distancing and mask wearing work, so the decision must be political since it's certainly not rooted in science or any sense of obligation to protect the lives of their constituents.



Some of them might be, but no - most of them are something worse than stupid: They know what they're doing, they know the harm it will cause, they're deliberately being neglectful.



For once, I actually think Broadway has the right idea here. And that's saying a lot knowing how I feel normally about Broadway.



I've answered this before and you've asked for it again and I've reposted my answer two or three times since originally posting it. I don't know if you've read it or not, but feel free to revisit it.

Its not political. Its seeing the need to move on and accept it as part of life. Experts don't make law. Experts aren't elected.

Politicians make the law. And politicians, as we all know, have nothing to do with politics.

[San Lumen]

Its not political. Its seeing the need to move on and accept it as part of life. Experts don't make law. Experts aren't elected.

Politicians make the law. And politicians, as we all know, have nothing to do with politics.

I don't see what is political regarding just about every country moving on dropping masks and other measures.

[Vassenor]

Politicians make the law. And politicians, as we all know, have nothing to do with politics.

I don't see what is political regarding just about every country moving on dropping masks and other measures.

Because it's being done for political reasons rather than scientifically motivated ones.

Which is why cases in England are on the rise again after all the restrictions were binned in order to deflect attention away from Boris Johnson's many scandals.

[San Lumen]

I don't see what is political regarding just about every country moving on dropping masks and other measures.

Because it's being done for political reasons rather than scientifically motivated ones.

Which is why cases in England are on the rise again after all the restrictions were binned in order to deflect attention away from Boris Johnson's many scandals.

Prove its being done for political reasons. What would you rather we be doing? Have the same zero covid policy as China?

[Farnhamia]

Because it's being done for political reasons rather than scientifically motivated ones.

Which is why cases in England are on the rise again after all the restrictions were binned in order to deflect attention away from Boris Johnson's many scandals.

Prove its being done for political reasons. What would you rather we be doing? Have the same zero covid policy as China?

Zero COVID seems okay to me.

[Ifreann]

Politicians make the law. And politicians, as we all know, have nothing to do with politics.

I don't see what is political regarding just about every country moving on dropping masks and other measures.

Yes you do. You understand it perfectly, because it is perfectly simple. Decisions made by politicians, made to appeal to their constituents, are fucking obviously political. That is what politics is. I don't know why you're insisting that these aren't political decisions.

[San Lumen]

Prove its being done for political reasons. What would you rather we be doing? Have the same zero covid policy as China?

Zero COVID seems okay to me.

It is an impossible goal.

[Vassenor]

Because it's being done for political reasons rather than scientifically motivated ones.

Which is why cases in England are on the rise again after all the restrictions were binned in order to deflect attention away from Boris Johnson's many scandals.

Prove its being done for political reasons. What would you rather we be doing? Have the same zero covid policy as China?

Boris literally announced the end to restrictions in England to keep attention off his multiple wild parties during lockdown that was making his approval ratings crater, while his expert advisors said it was too early to do so. That is textbook political rather than scientific motivation.

[Farnhamia]

Zero COVID seems okay to me.

It is an impossible goal.

Perhaps, but it's worth trying to get it down as far as possible.