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Should those wilfully unvaccinated against COVID-19 receive a lower priority for hospital treatment?

YES, ALWAYS - vaccination should be a basic precaution to protect your health and that of society
209
26%
YES, BUT JUST FOR COVID-19 - you shouldn't get COVID treatment if you don't want to be safe from it
118
15%
NO, NEVER - healthcare should be based on the patient's need, not their circumstances
465
59%
 
Total votes : 792

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:53 am

San Lumen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Because 22,000 people died between 27 Feb and now and y'all had 47 thousand new cases yesterday.


The CDC is no longer focused on cases. Other countries have done this too.


The stopped on positive rates.

They still monitor infection numbers and hospital numbers.

Again learn what endemic means.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:53 am

Deblar wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What is the point of masks on transportation when its been dropped everywhere else?

This might be a shock to you but all viruses mutate. Covid is no different from any other pathogen in this regard.

Controlling the spread, duh. Just because it's been dropped everywhere else doesn't mean that masks should be dropped completely.

That doesn't justify not trying to limit the spread of COVID.


I dont see what point it serves when its only mandated on public transit.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:54 am

San Lumen wrote:
Deblar wrote:Controlling the spread, duh. Just because it's been dropped everywhere else doesn't mean that masks should be dropped completely.

That doesn't justify not trying to limit the spread of COVID.


I dont see what point it serves when its only mandated on public transit.


The only reason it's not still mandated everywhere else is because people keep throwing tantrums when asked to put cloth on their faces like it's the worst oppression in the history of humankind.
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Postby Deblar » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:55 am

San Lumen wrote:
Deblar wrote:Controlling the spread, duh. Just because it's been dropped everywhere else doesn't mean that masks should be dropped completely.

That doesn't justify not trying to limit the spread of COVID.


I dont see what point it serves when its only mandated on public transit.

Then reinstate it elsewhere until cases, deaths, and hospitalizations are at a low and manageable level; you know, actually endemic.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:55 am

San Lumen wrote:
Deblar wrote:When did I ever imply that? All I meant was for them to remain in place until new cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are under control, which they aren't right now.

It's impossible with that attitude.


What is the point of masks on transportation when its been dropped everywhere else?

This might be a shock to you but all viruses mutate. Covid is no different from any other pathogen in this regard.

You complaining about fucking masks is an example how we as a species has sunk to its lowest level since World War Two.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:56 am

Deblar wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I dont see what point it serves when its only mandated on public transit.

Then reinstate it elsewhere until cases, deaths, and hospitalizations are at a low and manageable level; you know, actually endemic.


Which isn't happening. Many places and countries have dropped it and are unlikely to bring it back but all those leaders are dumb to you.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:56 am

San Lumen wrote:
Deblar wrote:Controlling the spread, duh. Just because it's been dropped everywhere else doesn't mean that masks should be dropped completely.

That doesn't justify not trying to limit the spread of COVID.


I dont see what point it serves when its only mandated on public transit.


*shrugs* You, the anti-vax, and the in general the “freedom” people have been against most measures from the beginning. We know your comforts > lives.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:57 am

San Lumen wrote:
Deblar wrote:Then reinstate it elsewhere until cases, deaths, and hospitalizations are at a low and manageable level; you know, actually endemic.


Which isn't happening. Many places and countries have dropped it and are unlikely to bring it back but all those leaders are dumb to you.


Of course. Politics.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:57 am

San Lumen wrote:
Deblar wrote:Then reinstate it elsewhere until cases, deaths, and hospitalizations are at a low and manageable level; you know, actually endemic.


Which isn't happening. Many places and countries have dropped it and are unlikely to bring it back but all those leaders are dumb to you.


It's not happening -because- we keep dropping the measures meant to contain COVID every time people start whining about how hard it is to have to put cloth over their faces and not be able to breathe down people's necks in WalMart.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:57 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I dont see what point it serves when its only mandated on public transit.


*shrugs* You, the anti-vax, and the in general the “freedom” people have been against most measures from the beginning. We know your comforts > lives.


I am not anti vax and I do not appreciate your continued attempts to label me as such.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:58 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
*shrugs* You, the anti-vax, and the in general the “freedom” people have been against most measures from the beginning. We know your comforts > lives.


I am not anti vax and I do not appreciate your continued attempts to label me as such.


That post did not call you Anti-vax. It put you in a venn diagram alongside the anti-vax.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:58 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
*shrugs* You, the anti-vax, and the in general the “freedom” people have been against most measures from the beginning. We know your comforts > lives.


I am not anti vax and I do not appreciate your continued attempts to label me as such.

When you run their errands for them you might as well be one, if not in flesh then in spirit.

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Postby Deblar » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:00 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Deblar wrote:Then reinstate it elsewhere until cases, deaths, and hospitalizations are at a low and manageable level; you know, actually endemic.


Which isn't happening. Many places and countries have dropped it and are unlikely to bring it back but all those leaders are dumb to you.

Yes, because they're letting a virus with the ability to kill or permanently damage people run rampant for votes.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:02 pm

Deblar wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Which isn't happening. Many places and countries have dropped it and are unlikely to bring it back but all those leaders are dumb to you.

Yes, because they're letting a virus with the ability to kill or permanently damage people run rampant for votes.


Or maybe they see you can't restrict society much longer over one virus. Support for mandates is no longer a majority.

why don't you run next time on this platform: years of social distancing and masks and call your opponents what you just said.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:03 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Deblar wrote:Yes, because they're letting a virus with the ability to kill or permanently damage people run rampant for votes.


Or maybe they see you can't restrict society much longer over one virus. Support for mandates is no longer a majority.

why don't you run next time on this platform: years of social distancing and masks and call your opponents what you just said.

dont worry about this my lad, once donald trump becomes potus in 2025 there will be no more efforts to do anything about covid19 and y'all soon be back at a "comfortable" 100,000 cases and two 9/11's a day.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:04 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Or maybe they see you can't restrict society much longer over one virus. Support for mandates is no longer a majority.

why don't you run next time on this platform: years of social distancing and masks and call your opponents what you just said.

dont worry about this my lad, once donald trump becomes potus in 2025 there will be no more efforts to do anything about covid19 and y'all soon be back at a "comfortable" 100,000 cases and two 9/11's a day.


Covid is unlikely to still be a pandemic in 2025. I have doubts Trump is even going to run.
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Postby Esalia » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:04 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Yes this is called https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/cont ... rmat=1500w


Ok so you know more than the CDC now or they are wrong to you? What happened to listen to the experts?


Be honest Lumen, you don't give the slightest shit about what the experts say ever since they said things you didn't want to hear.

Don't try to pretend you care about listening to the experts now.
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Postby Deblar » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Deblar wrote:Yes, because they're letting a virus with the ability to kill or permanently damage people run rampant for votes.


Or maybe they see you can't restrict society much longer over one virus. Support for mandates is no longer a majority.

why don't you run next time on this platform: years of social distancing and masks and call your opponents what you just said.

That still kills people.

So its for votes, then. Case proven and rested.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:dont worry about this my lad, once donald trump becomes potus in 2025 there will be no more efforts to do anything about covid19 and y'all soon be back at a "comfortable" 100,000 cases and two 9/11's a day.


Covid is unlikely to still be a pandemic in 2025. I have doubts Trump is even going to run.

And there's the wishful thinking that is so depressing to behold.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Deblar wrote:Yes, because they're letting a virus with the ability to kill or permanently damage people run rampant for votes.


Or maybe they see you can't restrict society much longer over one virus. Support for mandates is no longer a majority.

why don't you run next time on this platform: years of social distancing and masks and call your opponents what you just said.


People tend to be stupid in large numbers. Especially when inconvenienced by things like a pandemic and even more when not being given the proper information.

Leadership isn’t a popularity contest. Sometimes you have to make decisions that will piss people off for their own good.

Today’s people dealing with smallpox? The dead would be uncountable.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby GB and Ireland » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:10 pm

Let’s be honest; most people have completely forgotten about covid since February 24th.
I'll keep calling it "Kiev".

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Postby Deblar » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:10 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:dont worry about this my lad, once donald trump becomes potus in 2025 there will be no more efforts to do anything about covid19 and y'all soon be back at a "comfortable" 100,000 cases and two 9/11's a day.


Covid is unlikely to still be a pandemic in 2025. I have doubts Trump is even going to run.

Both of these statements have a lot of potential to age very poorly.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:12 pm

Esalia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Ok so you know more than the CDC now or they are wrong to you? What happened to listen to the experts?


Be honest Lumen, you don't give the slightest shit about what the experts say ever since they said things you didn't want to hear.

Don't try to pretend you care about listening to the experts now.


Oh that depends on what he defines as experts. Fauci or bob the local butcher.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:13 pm

GB and Ireland wrote:Let’s be honest; most people have completely forgotten about covid since February 24th.


Well peoples attention spans are…SQUIRREL!!!!!
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Page » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:21 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Esalia wrote:
Be honest Lumen, you don't give the slightest shit about what the experts say ever since they said things you didn't want to hear.

Don't try to pretend you care about listening to the experts now.


Oh that depends on what he defines as experts. Fauci or bob the local butcher.


Well, you know, part of the problem is the veracity of experts. If I have a friend who got a doctorate in biology and I've seen their degree hanging on their wall, I will absolutely defer a great deal of trust to their pandemic related opinions. But if I turn on CNN and hear "Dr. Smith-Kowalski says..." how the hell can I know if Dr. Smith-Kowalski even exists?

Now I'll admit, I don't think there is a big phenomenon of imaginary experts, at least not in the """free""" world where you just can't get away with inventing imaginary people. But I have seen very little of government edicts being backed by experts. The experts said outdoor transmission basically doesn't exist but governments over all the world still felt justified in demanding people not go outside.

I'm sure there are plenty of Chinese experts trying to ELI5 to the CCP that rounding up an entire city for testing will only spread the virus more, but those experts aren't talking for fear of getting disappeared like that tennis athlete when she me too'd one of the party bosses.
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