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Should those wilfully unvaccinated against COVID-19 receive a lower priority for hospital treatment?

YES, ALWAYS - vaccination should be a basic precaution to protect your health and that of society
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YES, BUT JUST FOR COVID-19 - you shouldn't get COVID treatment if you don't want to be safe from it
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NO, NEVER - healthcare should be based on the patient's need, not their circumstances
465
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Total votes : 792

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:32 am

Antipatros wrote:
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So mask mandates should be permanent?

New variants cannot be stopped. Nothing we do can prevent this. What part of this do people not get?

There's a lot of stuff we can do to detect and control the spread of dangerous variants. We should be focusing on getting vaccines to the developing world and helping them with things like testing/sequencing.


Where are the mods? You are talking sense and that is not allowed here.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:35 am

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Its what you implied.

Its not worth trying because its impossible.

When did I ever imply that? All I meant was for them to remain in place until new cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are under control, which they aren't right now.

It's impossible with that attitude.


What is the point of masks on transportation when its been dropped everywhere else?

This might be a shock to you but all viruses mutate. Covid is no different from any other pathogen in this regard.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:37 am

San Lumen wrote:
Deblar wrote:When did I ever imply that? All I meant was for them to remain in place until new cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are under control, which they aren't right now.

It's impossible with that attitude.


What is the point of masks on transportation when its been dropped everywhere else?

This might be a shock to you but all viruses mutate. Covid is no different from any other pathogen in this regard.


Yes. Does stating the obvious embolden your position?

Masks are dropped when the pandemic is over.

Is that hard to understand?
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Postby Untecna » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:37 am

San Lumen wrote:
Deblar wrote:When did I ever imply that? All I meant was for them to remain in place until new cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are under control, which they aren't right now.

It's impossible with that attitude.


What is the point of masks on transportation when its been dropped everywhere else?

This might be a shock to you but all viruses mutate. Covid is no different from any other pathogen in this regard.

This might be a shock to you, but all viruses can be defended against with safety measures. That's why we stay home sick when we get colds.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:38 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What is the point of masks on transportation when its been dropped everywhere else?

This might be a shock to you but all viruses mutate. Covid is no different from any other pathogen in this regard.


Yes. Does stating the obvious embolden your position?

Masks are dropped when the pandemic is over.

Is that hard to understand?


What defines over?

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:38 am

San Lumen wrote:
Deblar wrote:When did I ever imply that? All I meant was for them to remain in place until new cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are under control, which they aren't right now.

It's impossible with that attitude.


What is the point of masks on transportation when its been dropped everywhere else?

This might be a shock to you but all viruses mutate. Covid is no different from any other pathogen in this regard.

Do you want people to just drop dead in the streets because that's hellua immoral, and yet I can find no other motivation for this attitude other than craven egotism or pure sadism.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:38 am

Untecna wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What is the point of masks on transportation when its been dropped everywhere else?

This might be a shock to you but all viruses mutate. Covid is no different from any other pathogen in this regard.

This might be a shock to you, but all viruses can be defended against with safety measures. That's why we stay home sick when we get colds.


Never mind the plane is a nice inclosed incubator. One really flu sick person and many will catch it…..
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:40 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What is the point of masks on transportation when its been dropped everywhere else?

This might be a shock to you but all viruses mutate. Covid is no different from any other pathogen in this regard.

Do you want people to just drop dead in the streets because that's hellua immoral, and yet I can find no other motivation for this attitude other than craven egotism or pure sadism.


Never said that and you failed to answer the question.

The Black Forrest wrote:
Untecna wrote:This might be a shock to you, but all viruses can be defended against with safety measures. That's why we stay home sick when we get colds.


Never mind the plane is a nice inclosed incubator. One really flu sick person and many will catch it…..


Ok. So masks forever on planes then?

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:42 am

San Lumen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Do you want people to just drop dead in the streets because that's hellua immoral, and yet I can find no other motivation for this attitude other than craven egotism or pure sadism.


Never said that and you failed to answer the question.

You have no "questions" that are not just incredibly annoying whinging.
So what is your endgame SL? 10k Americans drop dead in the streets every day so you can sit in a chair in some Broadway theatre?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:42 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Yes. Does stating the obvious embolden your position?

Masks are dropped when the pandemic is over.

Is that hard to understand?


What defines over?


When you can explain endemic; you will know.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:44 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Never said that and you failed to answer the question.

You have no "questions" that are not just incredibly annoying whinging.
So what is your endgame SL? 10k Americans drop dead in the streets every day so you can sit in a chair in some Broadway theatre?


Broadway is open and has been for several months now.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:44 am

San Lumen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Do you want people to just drop dead in the streets because that's hellua immoral, and yet I can find no other motivation for this attitude other than craven egotism or pure sadism.


Never said that and you failed to answer the question.

The Black Forrest wrote:
Never mind the plane is a nice inclosed incubator. One really flu sick person and many will catch it…..


Ok. So masks forever on planes then?


Yesssssss. Forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever………..
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:45 am

San Lumen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:You have no "questions" that are not just incredibly annoying whinging.
So what is your endgame SL? 10k Americans drop dead in the streets every day so you can sit in a chair in some Broadway theatre?


Broadway is open and has been for several months now.

So whence the bloody accursed problem that you have us all suffer under then?

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:46 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Broadway is open and has been for several months now.

So whence the bloody accursed problem that you have us all suffer under then?


I am asking why we still need masks on public transit. Why not just let the mandate expire?

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:47 am

San Lumen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:So whence the bloody accursed problem that you have us all suffer under then?


I am asking why we still need masks on public transit. Why not just let the mandate expire?


Oh because there is a pandemic going on.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:48 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I am asking why we still need masks on public transit. Why not just let the mandate expire?


Oh because there is a pandemic going on.


Why on public transit only at this point? What point does it serve when everywhere else has dropped it?

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:49 am

San Lumen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:So whence the bloody accursed problem that you have us all suffer under then?


I am asking why we still need masks on public transit. Why not just let the mandate expire?

Because 22,094 people died between 27 Feb and now and y'all had 47 thousand new cases yesterday.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:49 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I am asking why we still need masks on public transit. Why not just let the mandate expire?

Because 22,000 people died between 27 Feb and now and y'all had 47 thousand new cases yesterday.


The CDC is no longer focused on cases. Other countries have done this too.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:50 am

San Lumen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Because 22,000 people died between 27 Feb and now and y'all had 47 thousand new cases yesterday.


The CDC is no longer focused on cases. Other countries have done this too.

Yes this is called https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/cont ... rmat=1500w

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:51 am

San Lumen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Because 22,000 people died between 27 Feb and now and y'all had 47 thousand new cases yesterday.


The CDC is no longer focused on cases. Other countries have done this too.


So how do we define when the pandemic is over?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:51 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
The CDC is no longer focused on cases. Other countries have done this too.

Yes this is called https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/cont ... rmat=1500w


Ok so you know more than the CDC now or they are wrong to you? What happened to listen to the experts?

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:51 am

San Lumen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Yes this is called https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/cont ... rmat=1500w


Ok so you know more than the CDC now or they are wrong to you? What happened to listen to the experts?

Weren't you the one shouting that we should kill the experts if they disagreed with you?

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:52 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Ok so you know more than the CDC now or they are wrong to you? What happened to listen to the experts?

Weren't you the one shouting that we should kill the experts if they disagreed with you?


I never said anything of the sort.

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Postby Antipatros » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:52 am

San Lumen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Because 22,000 people died between 27 Feb and now and y'all had 47 thousand new cases yesterday.


The CDC is no longer focused on cases. Other countries have done this too.

Not true. They're less focused on cases, but cases are still a metric in how they calculate community levels.

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/community-levels.html

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Postby Deblar » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:53 am

San Lumen wrote:
Deblar wrote:When did I ever imply that? All I meant was for them to remain in place until new cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are under control, which they aren't right now.

It's impossible with that attitude.


What is the point of masks on transportation when its been dropped everywhere else?

This might be a shock to you but all viruses mutate. Covid is no different from any other pathogen in this regard.

Controlling the spread, duh. Just because it's been dropped everywhere else doesn't mean that masks should be dropped completely.

That doesn't justify not trying to limit the spread of COVID.

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