Coronavirus Thread VII: Jagged Little Pill (READ OP)

[Iwassoclose]

what mutation are we on now, i checked out after delta and heard bits of mu

Mu is the latest, AFAIK, but Delta is the dominant strain right now in the United States. Fauci and other experts have warned that if we don't get Delta under control, the aggressive spreading of COVID via Delta could lead to a much worse variant

its a joke we got vaccines but instead of numbers going down we actually are experiencing increases and more disruption in the healthcare system because people are just that selfish.

[San Lumen]

https://www.kare11.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/mn-judge-rejects-attempt-to-force-school-mask-mandate/89-8628b54f-aefe-4dfb-bf28-a481957f97fc

Minnesota judge rejects attempt to force school mask mandate


Judge Thomas Gilligan said the court was “gravely concerned” about COVID risks for children, but that the court lacks the legal authority to order a mandate.

Disappointing that the people who have the legal authority aren't requiring masks if they're sending kids to school.

Judges cannot and should not make law. They interpret it or rule on constitutionality of a law.

[Kannap]

Disappointing that the people who have the legal authority aren't requiring masks if they're sending kids to school.

Judges cannot and should not make law. They interpret it or rule on constitutionality of a law.

I didn't suggest the judge make the law, I suggested the people who have the legal authority to do so do so.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Maybe not, but I'd sure like to.

It might be nice, but it's not a 'right.' It's not something that the government is responsible for, and if it turns out that you're not safe they're not responsible unless they actually did something (like force you into an unmarked black van.)

Public health and safety is something reasonable for the government to manage. Your ideology is what happens when individualism goes too far, and to be honest, society should not even entertain your ideas and institute mandatory vaccinations, proudly disregarding those who want to further atomize society.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Disappointing that the people who have the legal authority aren't requiring masks if they're sending kids to school.

Judges cannot and should not make law. They interpret it or rule on constitutionality of a law.

Obergefell v. Hodges, a law masquerading as a "legal precedent" says hi.

[San Lumen]

Judges cannot and should not make law. They interpret it or rule on constitutionality of a law.

Obergefell v. Hodges, a law masquerading as a "legal precedent" says hi.

Try reading the 14th amendment.

[Great Algerstonia]

Obergefell v. Hodges, a law masquerading as a "legal precedent" says hi.

Try reading the 14th amendment.

That's pretty rude to people that cannot read

[Kannap]

Mu is the latest, AFAIK, but Delta is the dominant strain right now in the United States. Fauci and other experts have warned that if we don't get Delta under control, the aggressive spreading of COVID via Delta could lead to a much worse variant

its a joke we got vaccines but instead of numbers going down we actually are experiencing increases and more disruption in the healthcare system because people are just that selfish.

Partly not enough people getting vaccinated, partly the people who are vaccinated being told they can do the things they could do pre-pandemic. Of course, when the CDC told vaccinated people they could do these things, nobody's checking to make sure people are vaccinated, so unvaccinated people are also doing the things they could do pre-pandemic. Music festivals, concerts, other large events, etc. etc. and we're creating conditions for the virus to spread and mutate.

[Iwassoclose]

its a joke we got vaccines but instead of numbers going down we actually are experiencing increases and more disruption in the healthcare system because people are just that selfish.

Partly not enough people getting vaccinated, partly the people who are vaccinated being told they can do the things they could do pre-pandemic. Of course, when the CDC told vaccinated people they could do these things, nobody's checking to make sure people are vaccinated, so unvaccinated people are also doing the things they could do pre-pandemic. Music festivals, concerts, other large events, etc. etc. and we're creating conditions for the virus to spread and mutate.

cdcs been a mess since the beginning when they said masks were useless. we are still getting blow back from that dumb move

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Obergefell v. Hodges, a law masquerading as a "legal precedent" says hi.

Try reading the 14th amendment.

Doesnt actually say anything explicit about gay marriage. Whether you like it or not SCOTUS is the second US legislature and they could decide upon a particularly auspicious day that lockdowns, masking and a whole cavalcade of things are now verboten, or not. Most of the time completely arbitrarily decided by party affiliation in 2021.

[Kannap]

Partly not enough people getting vaccinated, partly the people who are vaccinated being told they can do the things they could do pre-pandemic. Of course, when the CDC told vaccinated people they could do these things, nobody's checking to make sure people are vaccinated, so unvaccinated people are also doing the things they could do pre-pandemic. Music festivals, concerts, other large events, etc. etc. and we're creating conditions for the virus to spread and mutate.

cdcs been a mess since the beginning when they said masks were useless. we are still getting blow back from that dumb move

I can't help but think this pandemic would be over by now if we had a more competent response to it throughout this whole ordeal.

[The Reformed American Republic]

its a joke we got vaccines but instead of numbers going down we actually are experiencing increases and more disruption in the healthcare system because people are just that selfish.

Partly not enough people getting vaccinated, partly the people who are vaccinated being told they can do the things they could do pre-pandemic. Of course, when the CDC told vaccinated people they could do these things, nobody's checking to make sure people are vaccinated, so unvaccinated people are also doing the things they could do pre-pandemic. Music festivals, concerts, other large events, etc. etc. and we're creating conditions for the virus to spread and mutate.

We could act like it was the pre-pandemic if people actually got vaccinated en masse. The CDC underestimated people's resistance to common sense when they removed the restrictions.

[Arvenia]

cdcs been a mess since the beginning when they said masks were useless. we are still getting blow back from that dumb move

I can't help but think this pandemic would be over by now if we had a more competent response to it throughout this whole ordeal.

This pandemic has already deprived me of an available PS5.

[Izandai]

Maybe not, but I'd sure like to.

It might be nice, but it's not a 'right.' It's not something that the government is responsible for, and if it turns out that you're not safe they're not responsible unless they actually did something (like force you into an unmarked black van.)

Glibness: Off

Public safety and welfare very much is something that the government is responsible for, especially if it's a democratic government. Preventing people from endangering others and protecting people from hazards is arguably the primary purpose of government, for the simple reason that it's good to help people. I could say some high-minded things about natural rights and how this logically follows from yada yada yada but that's all it really comes down to. It's bad to let people suffer, it's bad to allow people to cause suffering, and it's good to prevent suffering. Governments should mandate masks, social distancing, and vaccines because it will save lives, and hang any argument about "natural rights" that would say otherwise.

[Kowani]

All of Idaho is now in a hospital resource crisis, allowing rationed health care

[Iwassoclose]

All of Idaho is now in a hospital resource crisis, allowing rationed health care

prioritize care for the vaccinated

[Luminesa]

its a joke we got vaccines but instead of numbers going down we actually are experiencing increases and more disruption in the healthcare system because people are just that selfish.

Partly not enough people getting vaccinated, partly the people who are vaccinated being told they can do the things they could do pre-pandemic. Of course, when the CDC told vaccinated people they could do these things, nobody's checking to make sure people are vaccinated, so unvaccinated people are also doing the things they could do pre-pandemic. Music festivals, concerts, other large events, etc. etc. and we're creating conditions for the virus to spread and mutate.

Businesses are starting to regulate who actually is vaccinated and who is not, but the backlash coming from it makes us wonder how many of these people actually wanted the economy to open and not just to have their gibs.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

All of Idaho is now in a hospital resource crisis, allowing rationed health care

Wellp... there's the GOP'ian death panels also i cant read it because America hates Europe.

[The Reformed American Republic]

All of Idaho is now in a hospital resource crisis, allowing rationed health care

Wellp... there's the GOP'ian death panels also i cant read it because America hates Europe.

I can't either as it's paywalled.

[CoraSpia]

It might be nice, but it's not a 'right.' It's not something that the government is responsible for, and if it turns out that you're not safe they're not responsible unless they actually did something (like force you into an unmarked black van.)

Public health and safety is something reasonable for the government to manage. Your ideology is what happens when individualism goes too far, and to be honest, society should not even entertain your ideas and institute mandatory vaccinations, proudly disregarding those who want to further atomize society.

Individualism...can go too far? Perhaps I just don't see much of a benefit in preaching and looking down on people who don't make the same life choices as I do, never seen the joy in it. All I ask is that governments adopt the same policy of giving a damn about free will.

[Vassenor]

Public health and safety is something reasonable for the government to manage. Your ideology is what happens when individualism goes too far, and to be honest, society should not even entertain your ideas and institute mandatory vaccinations, proudly disregarding those who want to further atomize society.

Individualism...can go too far? Perhaps I just don't see much of a benefit in preaching and looking down on people who don't make the same life choices as I do, never seen the joy in it. All I ask is that governments adopt the same policy of giving a damn about free will.

Basically we're back to you wanting to do whatever you want and everyone has to put their lives at risk to accomodate your selfish behaivour.

[CoraSpia]

It might be nice, but it's not a 'right.' It's not something that the government is responsible for, and if it turns out that you're not safe they're not responsible unless they actually did something (like force you into an unmarked black van.)

Glibness: Off

Public safety and welfare very much is something that the government is responsible for, especially if it's a democratic government. Preventing people from endangering others and protecting people from hazards is arguably the primary purpose of government, for the simple reason that it's good to help people. I could say some high-minded things about natural rights and how this logically follows from yada yada yada but that's all it really comes down to. It's bad to let people suffer, it's bad to allow people to cause suffering, and it's good to prevent suffering. Governments should mandate masks, social distancing, and vaccines because it will save lives, and hang any argument about "natural rights" that would say otherwise.

I won't deny that it's good to help people, so it's good to get the vaccine much as it's good to donate to charities. It's the same with regards saving lives honestly, if everyone gave a large amount to charity every month I'm sure that a lot of good work could be done. I'd oppose a government deciding that was something we needed to do as well, because we have our own money and should be able to spend it how we like.

[Izandai]

Public health and safety is something reasonable for the government to manage. Your ideology is what happens when individualism goes too far, and to be honest, society should not even entertain your ideas and institute mandatory vaccinations, proudly disregarding those who want to further atomize society.

Individualism...can go too far? Perhaps I just don't see much of a benefit in preaching and looking down on people who don't make the same life choices as I do, never seen the joy in it. All I ask is that governments adopt the same policy of giving a damn about free will.

Individualism can absolutely go too far. A society where no one cared about anything but their own self-interest would be a crapsack society. And anyway, there's a large gulf between "preaching and looking down on people who don't make the same life choices as I do" and stopping people from killing each other. Or stealing from each other. Or helping a deadly virus spread.

[CoraSpia]

Individualism...can go too far? Perhaps I just don't see much of a benefit in preaching and looking down on people who don't make the same life choices as I do, never seen the joy in it. All I ask is that governments adopt the same policy of giving a damn about free will.

Basically we're back to you wanting to do whatever you want and everyone has to put their lives at risk to accomodate your selfish behaivour.

You know the beauty of individualism? You're an individual too! You get to do what you want as well under the system I propose.

[Arvenia]

Wellp... there's the GOP'ian death panels also i cant read it because America hates Europe.

I can't either as it's paywalled.

Is it due to the GDPR?