Coronavirus Thread VII: Jagged Little Pill (READ OP)

[Diahon]

not yours

Then I don't see how your point isn't diametrically opposed to TRAR's version.

i wasn't opposed to his characterization at all -- from what i've observed of page, that is how his thought flows

[Forsher]

Then I don't see how your point isn't diametrically opposed to TRAR's version.

i wasn't opposed to his characterization at all -- from what i've observed of page, that is how his thought flows

Oh, I follow now. You were seconding the characterisation... which apparently I previously understood but got confused subsequently... whilst noting that you have a disagreement with the substance. Rather than (as I subsequently thought) seconding the substance of the characterisation before adding a qualification that, to me, seems to absolutely reject that substance.

[The Reformed American Republic]

i second that, to an extent

what's missing in anarchist and libertarian critiques (as well as whatever the fuck vakolicci has got going on), though, is the sense that shit like this fucking pandemic is exactly why there must be government

Anarchism doesn't oppose government, it opposes the state. While most think of the two as linked it's not inherently so.

That's true, but I'm sure Page is not one who trusts the current world governments.

[CoraSpia]

i second that, to an extent

what's missing in anarchist and libertarian critiques (as well as whatever the fuck vakolicci has got going on), though, is the sense that shit like this fucking pandemic is exactly why there must be government

Nah mate, I'd rather not go through life scared that everyone is so stupid they need some all-knowing state to look out for them. That's how you develop a condescending attitude to people you don't agree with.

[Tinhampton]

On August 6th 2020, BBC News published This is what coronavirus will do to our offices and homes - a link I cross-posted on the fifth coronavirus thread under the subtitle "The future of work is (seemingly) contactless." It foretold a near-future of most-of-the-time work from home, part-time work in offices (but only when it "produces better results than seeing each other online"), and full-time hygiene measures... plus contactlessness. More contactless than you can shake a credit card at. My pastiched one-liner from 2020 almost sums up the entire article, although I've sometimes felt like it didn't.

Fast-forward to September 16th 2021 and the Beeb's trotted out Five ways we think office work will change The title of this article is misleading; all of the bullet points are about the willingness of survey respondents to work from home. Not only are the predictions far less adventurous than in 2020, but only about 60% of the British public express any willingness at all to work from home in these polls...

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The poll is confusing

It's supposed to be. I'll get a new one up tomorrow, promise

[CoraSpia]

i second that, to an extent

what's missing in anarchist and libertarian critiques (as well as whatever the fuck vakolicci has got going on), though, is the sense that shit like this fucking pandemic is exactly why there must be government

Anarchism doesn't oppose government, it opposes the state. While most think of the two as linked it's not inherently so.

The state and the government are both very cringe however.

[San Lumen]

On August 6th 2020, BBC News published This is what coronavirus will do to our offices and homes - a link I cross-posted on the fifth coronavirus thread under the subtitle "The future of work is (seemingly) contactless." It foretold a near-future of most-of-the-time work from home, part-time work in offices (but only when it "produces better results than seeing each other online"), and full-time hygiene measures... plus contactlessness. More contactless than you can shake a credit card at. My pastiched one-liner from 2020 almost sums up the entire article, although I've sometimes felt like it didn't.

Fast-forward to September 16th 2021 and the Beeb's trotted out Five ways we think office work will change The title of this article is misleading; all of the bullet points are about the willingness of survey respondents to work from home. Not only are the predictions far less adventurous than in 2020, but only about 60% of the British public express any willingness at all to work from home in these polls...

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The poll is confusing

It's supposed to be. I'll get a new one up tomorrow, promise

Polls like this are the reason I’m almost certain work from home won’t be the norm.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Anarchism doesn't oppose government, it opposes the state. While most think of the two as linked it's not inherently so.

The state and the government are both very cringe however.

The state and the government are the only reason you're alive lol

[Grave_n_idle]

i second that, to an extent

what's missing in anarchist and libertarian critiques (as well as whatever the fuck vakolicci has got going on), though, is the sense that shit like this fucking pandemic is exactly why there must be government

Nah mate, I'd rather not go through life scared that everyone is so stupid they need some all-knowing state to look out for them. That's how you develop a condescending attitude to people you don't agree with.

That's a pretty condescending thing to say.

[San Lumen]

https://www.kare11.com/article/news/hea ... 81957f97fc

Minnesota judge rejects attempt to force school mask mandate


Judge Thomas Gilligan said the court was “gravely concerned” about COVID risks for children, but that the court lacks the legal authority to order a mandate.

[Arvenia]

On August 6th 2020, BBC News published This is what coronavirus will do to our offices and homes - a link I cross-posted on the fifth coronavirus thread under the subtitle "The future of work is (seemingly) contactless." It foretold a near-future of most-of-the-time work from home, part-time work in offices (but only when it "produces better results than seeing each other online"), and full-time hygiene measures... plus contactlessness. More contactless than you can shake a credit card at. My pastiched one-liner from 2020 almost sums up the entire article, although I've sometimes felt like it didn't.

Fast-forward to September 16th 2021 and the Beeb's trotted out Five ways we think office work will change The title of this article is misleading; all of the bullet points are about the willingness of survey respondents to work from home. Not only are the predictions far less adventurous than in 2020, but only about 60% of the British public express any willingness at all to work from home in these polls...

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It's supposed to be. I'll get a new one up tomorrow, promise

Polls like this are the reason I’m almost certain work from home won’t be the norm.

Did you just decipher the current poll?

[Tinhampton]

Polls like this are the reason I’m almost certain work from home won’t be the norm.

Did you just decipher the current poll?

Oink.

[Condimnation]

The US government is allowed to operate within the good of the people. The US government was set up for the good of the people, not the good of the government itself. Therefore, it is the NOT ONLY the responsibility of the government to enforce quarantine, it is their DUTY. Any measure taken to protect the good of the people should be taken, as long as essential rights aren't infringed. HOWEVER, your freedom to pick when you wear a mask DOES NOT supersede another's right to feel safe in a public environment.

[Kannap]

On August 6th 2020, BBC News published This is what coronavirus will do to our offices and homes - a link I cross-posted on the fifth coronavirus thread under the subtitle "The future of work is (seemingly) contactless." It foretold a near-future of most-of-the-time work from home, part-time work in offices (but only when it "produces better results than seeing each other online"), and full-time hygiene measures... plus contactlessness. More contactless than you can shake a credit card at. My pastiched one-liner from 2020 almost sums up the entire article, although I've sometimes felt like it didn't.

Fast-forward to September 16th 2021 and the Beeb's trotted out Five ways we think office work will change The title of this article is misleading; all of the bullet points are about the willingness of survey respondents to work from home. Not only are the predictions far less adventurous than in 2020, but only about 60% of the British public express any willingness at all to work from home in these polls...

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It's supposed to be. I'll get a new one up tomorrow, promise

Polls like this are the reason I’m almost certain work from home won’t be the norm.

Even if it doesn't become the norm, I think it will be more prevalent than pre-pandemic.

[San Lumen]

Polls like this are the reason I’m almost certain work from home won’t be the norm.

Even if it doesn't become the norm, I think it will be more prevalent than pre-pandemic.

On this we can agree but it will not be the norm.

[Kannap]

https://www.kare11.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/mn-judge-rejects-attempt-to-force-school-mask-mandate/89-8628b54f-aefe-4dfb-bf28-a481957f97fc

Minnesota judge rejects attempt to force school mask mandate


Judge Thomas Gilligan said the court was “gravely concerned” about COVID risks for children, but that the court lacks the legal authority to order a mandate.

Disappointing that the people who have the legal authority aren't requiring masks if they're sending kids to school.

[Kannap]

The US government is allowed to operate within the good of the people. The US government was set up for the good of the people, not the good of the government itself. Therefore, it is the NOT ONLY the responsibility of the government to enforce quarantine, it is their DUTY. Any measure taken to protect the good of the people should be taken, as long as essential rights aren't infringed. HOWEVER, your freedom to pick when you wear a mask DOES NOT supersede another's right to feel safe in a public environment.

"but that would be political suicide!!!!"

[CoraSpia]

The US government is allowed to operate within the good of the people. The US government was set up for the good of the people, not the good of the government itself. Therefore, it is the NOT ONLY the responsibility of the government to enforce quarantine, it is their DUTY. Any measure taken to protect the good of the people should be taken, as long as essential rights aren't infringed. HOWEVER, your freedom to pick when you wear a mask DOES NOT supersede another's right to feel safe in a public environment.

You don't have a right to feel or indeed to be safe in a public environment.

[Iwassoclose]

what mutation are we on now, i checked out after delta and heard bits of mu

[Arvenia]

The US government is allowed to operate within the good of the people. The US government was set up for the good of the people, not the good of the government itself. Therefore, it is the NOT ONLY the responsibility of the government to enforce quarantine, it is their DUTY. Any measure taken to protect the good of the people should be taken, as long as essential rights aren't infringed. HOWEVER, your freedom to pick when you wear a mask DOES NOT supersede another's right to feel safe in a public environment.

You don't have a right to feel or indeed to be safe in a public environment.

What are you talking about?

[Kannap]

what mutation are we on now, i checked out after delta and heard bits of mu

Mu is the latest, AFAIK, but Delta is the dominant strain right now in the United States. Fauci and other experts have warned that if we don't get Delta under control, the aggressive spreading of COVID via Delta could lead to a much worse variant

[Great Algerstonia]

My school is now under a mask mandate.

[Kannap]

Fauci says infections are happening at ten times the rate needed to end the pandemic

• 160,000 cases per day far exceeds the "well below 10,000 cases per day" needed to end the pandemic in a country the size of the United States.
• Not enough Americans are taking measures against the Delta variant
• And, the longer it takes to end this pandemic phase, the bigger the chance we'll end up with a worse variant that not only eludes vaccines but also is dangerously transmissible

[Izandai]

The US government is allowed to operate within the good of the people. The US government was set up for the good of the people, not the good of the government itself. Therefore, it is the NOT ONLY the responsibility of the government to enforce quarantine, it is their DUTY. Any measure taken to protect the good of the people should be taken, as long as essential rights aren't infringed. HOWEVER, your freedom to pick when you wear a mask DOES NOT supersede another's right to feel safe in a public environment.

You don't have a right to feel or indeed to be safe in a public environment.

Maybe not, but I'd sure like to.

[CoraSpia]

You don't have a right to feel or indeed to be safe in a public environment.

Maybe not, but I'd sure like to.

It might be nice, but it's not a 'right.' It's not something that the government is responsible for, and if it turns out that you're not safe they're not responsible unless they actually did something (like force you into an unmarked black van.)