Coronavirus Thread VII: Jagged Little Pill (READ OP)

[Celritannia]

I don;t mean now, I was referring to your reference of last year.

But even still, we should still be wearing masks in England. I now Scotland, Wales, and NI still have mask mandates.

I certainly don't believe that anyone who wants to wear a mask should feel any pressure to change their behaviour, but the vaccination rate now is such that the political will to keep mask mandates doesn't exist in England. This has never been about health, like every decision the government makes it's about political will. You can see that from the numerous times they didn't do what the scientists were saying, or did something totally random (like the 10 pm pub closing time) that wasn't advised in any sage papers.

So you are buying into the conspiracy theory that this is about control?

Yeah, I'm done.

[Picairn]

I mean, if you read back through the threads, Lumen's entire "brand" has been spouting Fox News talking points since about a week before his state's lockdown happened.

The only things certain in life: death, taxes, and Lumen's whining about Broadway.

[Vassenor]

You said that last year.

Unfortunately he was naïve enough to have faith in his government and may have believed that all its talk about believing in liberty wasn't utter bullshit.

Apparenlty a piece of cloth over the face is the greatest threat to liberty in human history.

[Kannap]

You said that last year.

Unfortunately he was naïve enough to have faith in his government and may have believed that all its talk about believing in liberty wasn't utter bullshit.

With the complete knowledge of the promise of liberty throughout slavery, segregation, the oppression of women's and LGBT equality, police brutality and the effective abolition of the constitutional right to protest accessible with a device in his pocket? Ignoring that doing mildly inconvenient things really isn't a violation of your liberty, anybody who has faith in the United States being a nation that upholds liberty must be putting in resumes to work at the circus.

[Luminesa]

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I mean, if you read back through the threads, Lumen's entire "brand" has been spouting Fox News talking points since about a week before his state's lockdown happened.

Trust me, I have.

[Luminesa]

I don't think it's currently dominating everyday life. I go to work and do my job just like I used to, just with a mask on.

The reason I don't take your opinion seriously though, is that you would have said exactly the same thing last year. And - if Covid is still going strong - you will still say exactly the same thing next year.

It’s not going to be one year from now. I have a hard time seeing it.

I have a hard time seeing when (exactly, within this week) I am going to have power restored at my house, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to spend my time trying to make life difficult for others in the meantime.

[The Alma Mater]

Unfortunately he was naïve enough to have faith in his government and may have believed that all its talk about believing in liberty wasn't utter bullshit.

Apparenlty a piece of cloth over the face is the greatest threat to liberty in human history.

Why yes. You see, that effects them.

[CoraSpia]

I certainly don't believe that anyone who wants to wear a mask should feel any pressure to change their behaviour, but the vaccination rate now is such that the political will to keep mask mandates doesn't exist in England. This has never been about health, like every decision the government makes it's about political will. You can see that from the numerous times they didn't do what the scientists were saying, or did something totally random (like the 10 pm pub closing time) that wasn't advised in any sage papers.

So you are buying into the conspiracy theory that this is about control?

Yeah, I'm done.

Nope.

If there was political will in the country to mandate that everybody went around wearing a helmet, a helmet mandate would come into force. Governments act when it becomes politically useful for them to act, not simply when the experts tell them to. A smoking ban was suggested by doctors decades before it ever came into force, for example; however there wasn't the political will to bring one in until it was done. Everything is motivated by political factors: healthcare/education/crime might influence those factors and the popular perception of any potential change however they are not what influences the decisionmaking in the end. It's the difference between a democracy and a technocracy: the experts in each field don't control things, elected politicians do.

[Celritannia]

So you are buying into the conspiracy theory that this is about control?

Yeah, I'm done.

Nope.

If there was political will in the country to mandate that everybody went around wearing a helmet, a helmet mandate would come into force. Governments act when it becomes politically useful for them to act, not simply when the experts tell them to. A smoking ban was suggested by doctors decades before it ever came into force, for example; however there wasn't the political will to bring one in until it was done. Everything is motivated by political factors: healthcare/education/crime might influence those factors and the popular perception of any potential change however they are not what influences the decisionmaking in the end. It's the difference between a democracy and a technocracy: the experts in each field don't control things, elected politicians do.

Now you are moving goalposts.

You know what? You're going back on the ignore list.

[CoraSpia]

Nope.

If there was political will in the country to mandate that everybody went around wearing a helmet, a helmet mandate would come into force. Governments act when it becomes politically useful for them to act, not simply when the experts tell them to. A smoking ban was suggested by doctors decades before it ever came into force, for example; however there wasn't the political will to bring one in until it was done. Everything is motivated by political factors: healthcare/education/crime might influence those factors and the popular perception of any potential change however they are not what influences the decisionmaking in the end. It's the difference between a democracy and a technocracy: the experts in each field don't control things, elected politicians do.

Now you are moving goalposts.

You know what? You're going back on the ignore list.

Because stating that politicians do things when it becomes politically expedient to do so is such a strange perspective, and not 'totally fucking obvious.'

[The Black Forrest]

It is also already outdated - people moved to drinking insecticide.
Because... Covid and insects are both small ? Or something.

Next step is getting bitten by a Brazilian viper. I shit you not.

https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-08-31/

Well? They should publish that on fox news. You will many people who will gladly test it for them at any dosage. Florida and Texas would be good areas.

[Rusozak]

It is also already outdated - people moved to drinking insecticide.
Because... Covid and insects are both small ? Or something.

Next step is getting bitten by a Brazilian viper. I shit you not.

https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-08-31/

I almost feel like the forces that be are telling us to let it run its course and not intervene in the self-destruction of the antivax community.

[CoraSpia]

Next step is getting bitten by a Brazilian viper. I shit you not.

https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-08-31/

I almost feel like the forces that be are telling us to let it run its course and not intervene in the self-destruction of the antivax community.

There is definitely something that can be said for not protecting people from the consequences of doing something that are so obviously fucking stupid.

[Kannap]

It’s not going to be one year from now. I have a hard time seeing it.

Again, you would have said exactly that a year ago.

Reality is not determined by how easy it is for you to see. Your gut feelings are worthless here.

Here's Lumen, 12 November 2020, confident that the pandemic would "highly likely" be over and done with by this Summer. Reckon we've got 15 more days for that to maybe magically turn out true.

I’m confident by early next year we have multiple vaccines in circulation and it’s highly likely by next summer this is largely over with.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Here's Lumen, 12 November 2020, confident that the pandemic would "highly likely" be over and done with by this Summer. Reckon we've got 15 more days for that to maybe magically turn out true.

I’m confident by early next year we have multiple vaccines in circulation and it’s highly likely by next summer this is largely over with.

Delta be like: Hold my petri dish.

[Thermodolia]

Turns out that the story about how rural Oklahoma hospitals where turning away patients with gun shot wounds and other ailments because of a massive amount of ivermectin ODs is fake

[Great Algerstonia]

Indeed, all health decisions related to COVID-19 should be a personal choice. It is truly up to the individual, and the government has no right to keep me locked inside my home or show proof of vaccinations to businesses (the business themselves do though).

Why ? What is the point of a society if it is not allowed to protect its members ?

Society can solve it on it's own. The combination of individualism prevalent within American society, COVID-19 restriction fatigue bringing a greater want to get things back to normal and not have to deal with business closures/restrictions and widespread job losses, and it being near-certain that COVID-19 will never truly go away regardless of what we do, means that the government will struggle with enforcing these things. Mask mandates are unenforceable, as are vaccine mandates. And things such as vaccine mandates will be a death blow to small businesses-- if they were forced to let vaccinated people in their business only starting right now, they would lose 47% of the American population as customers. A loss in half of your profit would not be good for small businesses, and only further corporate dominance in the American economy. And finally, as the virus becomes different in terms of infection rates, people will reconsider their actions in regards to COVID-19. As the virus gets worse, the American population will become more careful by itself.

[Great Algerstonia]

Turns out that the story about how rural Oklahoma hospitals where turning away patients with gun shot wounds and other ailments because of a massive amount of ivermectin ODs is fake

Of course MSNBC does this. They are a liberal propaganda outlet. That and FOX News are the two main news outlets that are fueling a more and more partisan society, in tandem with social media echochambers of varying leftist degrees, with more fringe alternative media sites fueling far-right partisanship.

[Thermodolia]

Again, you would have said exactly that a year ago.

Reality is not determined by how easy it is for you to see. Your gut feelings are worthless here.

Here's Lumen, 12 November 2020, confident that the pandemic would "highly likely" be over and done with by this Summer. Reckon we've got 15 more days for that to maybe magically turn out true.

I’m confident by early next year we have multiple vaccines in circulation and it’s highly likely by next summer this is largely over with.

15 more days before summer ends? Maybe for the north and east coast. But here in AZ summer is gonna be around for at least another month or two

[Kannap]

Here's Lumen, 12 November 2020, confident that the pandemic would "highly likely" be over and done with by this Summer. Reckon we've got 15 more days for that to maybe magically turn out true.

15 more days before summer ends? Maybe for the north and east coast. But here in AZ summer is gonna be around for at least another month or two

16 days, got it off by a day. And alas, the autumnal equinox cares not for waiting for your temperatures to be right

[Thermodolia]

15 more days before summer ends? Maybe for the north and east coast. But here in AZ summer is gonna be around for at least another month or two

16 days, got it off by a day. And alas, the autumnal equinox cares not for waiting for your temperatures to be right

More like AZ doesn’t care what everyone else does

[The Alma Mater]

Mask mandates are unenforceable, as are vaccine mandates.

Nonsense. Just allow vigilantes to hunt the unvaccinated and collect a 10k bounty from them. The supreme court will not stop you;so no problem.

[Shrillland]

Again, you would have said exactly that a year ago.

Reality is not determined by how easy it is for you to see. Your gut feelings are worthless here.

Here's Lumen, 12 November 2020, confident that the pandemic would "highly likely" be over and done with by this Summer. Reckon we've got 15 more days for that to maybe magically turn out true.

I’m confident by early next year we have multiple vaccines in circulation and it’s highly likely by next summer this is largely over with.

Tbf, if it wasn't for Delta arriving here and wreaking havoc, he would've been right. Remember, at the start of July, we were getting quite close to reducing COVID to endemic proportions.

[The Black Forrest]

Here's Lumen, 12 November 2020, confident that the pandemic would "highly likely" be over and done with by this Summer. Reckon we've got 15 more days for that to maybe magically turn out true.

Tbf, if it wasn't for Delta arriving here and wreaking havoc, he would've been right. Remember, at the start of July, we were getting quite close to reducing COVID to endemic proportions.

Indeed. Though it was doomed to fail with all the travel which goes on.

The Mu variant is a little concerning. Still in the early stages phase though.

https://www.newsweek.com/mu-covid-varia ... ka-1626322

[Vassenor]

Why ? What is the point of a society if it is not allowed to protect its members ?

Society can solve it on it's own. The combination of individualism prevalent within American society, COVID-19 restriction fatigue bringing a greater want to get things back to normal and not have to deal with business closures/restrictions and widespread job losses, and it being near-certain that COVID-19 will never truly go away regardless of what we do, means that the government will struggle with enforcing these things. Mask mandates are unenforceable, as are vaccine mandates. And things such as vaccine mandates will be a death blow to small businesses-- if they were forced to let vaccinated people in their business only starting right now, they would lose 47% of the American population as customers. A loss in half of your profit would not be good for small businesses, and only further corporate dominance in the American economy. And finally, as the virus becomes different in terms of infection rates, people will reconsider their actions in regards to COVID-19. As the virus gets worse, the American population will become more careful by itself.

So because we might never fix it we should abandon all attempts to fix it.