Coronavirus Thread VII: Jagged Little Pill (READ OP)

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I can't ever see it as justifiable to demand that one has to do something just because they exist. There is a huge difference between "you can only get on this airplane if you do x, y, and z" or "you can't drink at this bar unless" vs. "if you are a currently breathing human, you have to get a vaccine."

I mean would you find it more acceptable if the state said "everyone who has a job must be vaccinated?"

There are a bunch of state regulations that effectively impact everyone who is living. Taxes, human waste disposal, nudity laws, existing laws on healthcare, etc.

I would find it acceptable for every individual and organization to decide whether they wish to associate with unvaccinated people or not. Because I believe in freedom of association, the second most important kind of freedom after bodily autonomy which must be wholly inviolable.

It's ironic too that we accept a state forcing us to do something just because we exist, allegedly in the name of saving lives and then those same governments destroy the planet that necessarily sustains all life and serve the interests of capitalists who drain our lives and sometimes turn around and demand that we take lives, that we serve in their armies and kill people we've never met and take it on faith that there's a good reason for killing them.

[Spirit of Hope]

I mean would you find it more acceptable if the state said "everyone who has a job must be vaccinated?"

There are a bunch of state regulations that effectively impact everyone who is living. Taxes, human waste disposal, nudity laws, existing laws on healthcare, etc.

I would find it acceptable for every individual and organization to decide whether they wish to associate with unvaccinated people or not. Because I believe in freedom of association, the second most important kind of freedom after bodily autonomy which must be wholly inviolable.

My question was if the government required all jobs mandate a vaccine for their employees. You already know I disagree with you on bodily autonomy.

[Vassenor]

Austria decides that the risk of making people sad is worth it, gets out the stick and will now fine vaccine holdouts €3600 per quarter.

How very exciting for you, I know state control over peoples' bodies is one of your favorite things. Although you'll probably rethink that position 5 or 10 years from now when your own government gets around to forcing all trans people to be on psych meds, you know, to save lives.

So you're just going to NO U me for reporting on a country actually doing something to bring this pandemic to an end that's not offering people bigger and bigger carrots that they're not taking anyway.

[Ifreann]

I mean would you find it more acceptable if the state said "everyone who has a job must be vaccinated?"

There are a bunch of state regulations that effectively impact everyone who is living. Taxes, human waste disposal, nudity laws, existing laws on healthcare, etc.

I would find it acceptable for every individual and organization to decide whether they wish to associate with unvaccinated people or not. Because I believe in freedom of association, the second most important kind of freedom after bodily autonomy which must be wholly inviolable.

It's ironic too that we accept a state forcing us to do something just because we exist, allegedly in the name of saving lives and then those same governments destroy the planet that necessarily sustains all life and serve the interests of capitalists who drain our lives and sometimes turn around and demand that we take lives, that we serve in their armies and kill people we've never met and take it on faith that there's a good reason for killing them.

The majority of people are not vaccinated. How, exactly, are people supposed to exercise freedom of association in this case? Move to Mars?

[The Black Forrest]

The question of bodily autonomy which intersects so many alike and unalike issues such as infant circumcision, vaccination mandates, abortion, and more is certainly an interesting one to ponder.

Not really. You can’t catch circumcision. You can’t catch an abortion. You can catch something during a pandemic.

Sorry your “freedom” doesn’t give you the right to infect and possibly kill others.

[The Black Forrest]

I would find it acceptable for every individual and organization to decide whether they wish to associate with unvaccinated people or not. Because I believe in freedom of association, the second most important kind of freedom after bodily autonomy which must be wholly inviolable.

My question was if the government required all jobs mandate a vaccine for their employees. You already know I disagree with you on bodily autonomy.

They can’t mandate it for private companies unless they do work for the government. I worked at a company and the feds required full background checks on anybody doing the work.

[The Black Forrest]

I mean would you find it more acceptable if the state said "everyone who has a job must be vaccinated?"

There are a bunch of state regulations that effectively impact everyone who is living. Taxes, human waste disposal, nudity laws, existing laws on healthcare, etc.

I would find it acceptable for every individual and organization to decide whether they wish to associate with unvaccinated people or not.

Problem: The anti-vax or “freedom” lovers has shown to routinely lie about their status. They also have showed to not admit feeling unwell because they wanted to be at something.

Organazations are forcing vaccines. How is the ok and yet the fed mandates are bad.

Because I believe in freedom of association,

Your “freedom” of association does not give you the right to infect and possibly kill others.

the second most important kind of freedom after bodily autonomy which must be wholly inviolable.

Disagree. You carrying a contagion is a bad thing.

It's ironic too that we accept a state forcing us to do something just because we exist, allegedly in the name of saving lives and then those same governments destroy the planet that necessarily sustains all life and serve the interests of capitalists who drain our lives and sometimes turn around and demand that we take lives, that we serve in their armies and kill people we've never met and take it on faith that there's a good reason for killing them.

Wow….that is a strange line of reasoning. The US builds nukes to we shouldn’t bother “forcing” people to vaccinate during a pandemic. Strange…..

[Kowani]

Bolsonaro implies that covid vaccines cause thrombosis and embolism

[Vassenor]

Really getting bored of the whole "we need to learn to live with the virus" shitck. Because "we have to learn to live with the virus" is meant to mean "we have to start engaging in long term mitigation strategies" and not "guess we'll see who dies for the sake of the economy". It means things like sending tests to every house, normalizing testing before big events, requiring masks in most indoor public places, etc, not sticking our fingers in our ears and singing in the hopes it'll all go away. Changing the way we do things to reflect the reality we now live in rather than simply ignoring the virus and hoping no one you know dies.

[The Alma Mater]

It's ironic too that we accept a state forcing us to do something just because we exist, allegedly in the name of saving lives and then those same governments destroy the planet that necessarily sustains all life and serve the interests of capitalists who drain our lives and sometimes turn around and demand that we take lives, that we serve in their armies and kill people we've never met and take it on faith that there's a good reason for killing them.

The obvious conclusion is that if people oppose vaccine mandates, they should find a way to make being unvaccinated profitable to the elite.

[American Salvation]

Really getting bored of the whole "we need to learn to live with the virus" shitck. Because "we have to learn to live with the virus" is meant to mean "we have to start engaging in long term mitigation strategies" and not "guess we'll see who dies for the sake of the economy". It means things like sending tests to every house, normalizing testing before big events, requiring masks in most indoor public places, etc, not sticking our fingers in our ears and singing in the hopes it'll all go away. Changing the way we do things to reflect the reality we now live in rather than simply ignoring the virus and hoping no one you know dies.

Luckily, people won't abide by a lot of these measures.

[Vassenor]

Really getting bored of the whole "we need to learn to live with the virus" shitck. Because "we have to learn to live with the virus" is meant to mean "we have to start engaging in long term mitigation strategies" and not "guess we'll see who dies for the sake of the economy". It means things like sending tests to every house, normalizing testing before big events, requiring masks in most indoor public places, etc, not sticking our fingers in our ears and singing in the hopes it'll all go away. Changing the way we do things to reflect the reality we now live in rather than simply ignoring the virus and hoping no one you know dies.

Luckily, people won't abide by a lot of these measures.

Because the idea that "if you do this then this'll all be over faster" doesn't occur to some selfish people who insist that we drag this pandemic out as long as possible just so their lives aren't impacted.

[American Salvation]

who insist that we drag this pandemic out as long as possible just so their lives aren't impacted.

No, just because people know that these restrictions won't ever end.

It's been ages since i've seen anyone "social distancing" or "masking up" in stores, or at work.

[Kannap]

What if "we have to learn to live with the virus" meant that we start engaging in long-term mitigation strategies to equip us to better handle this pandemic and future pandemics as well as building a robust healthcare system and building up social safety nets in the way of universal healthcare and other robust programs to be there all the time but particularly for times of disaster and emergency for people to fall back on... instead of, ya know, it meaning "lol guess we'll just see who dies"

EDIT: Seems Vass already ripped off the viral tweet I just saw/ripped off. Oh well, carry on then.

[Kannap]

who insist that we drag this pandemic out as long as possible just so their lives aren't impacted.

No, just because people know that these restrictions won't ever end.

These restrictions will end. You are aware we've had pandemics in the past where we've done these exact same things before and then we stopped when the pandemic ended, right?

It's been ages since i've seen anyone "social distancing" or "masking up" in stores, or at work.

Anecdotes are worthless, really. Anytime I go to a store or indoor public space, at least 90% of people are wearing masks. At the warehouse I work in, it's the same.

[Ifreann]

What if "we have to learn to live with the virus" meant that we start engaging in long-term mitigation strategies to equip us to better handle this pandemic and future pandemics as well as building a robust healthcare system and building up social safety nets in the way of universal healthcare and other robust programs to be there all the time but particularly for times of disaster and emergency for people to fall back on... instead of, ya know, it meaning "lol guess we'll just see who dies"

EDIT: Seems Vass already ripped off the viral tweet I just saw/ripped off. Oh well, carry on then.

Plagiarism makes Baby Jesus cry.

[Deblar]

who insist that we drag this pandemic out as long as possible just so their lives aren't impacted.

No, just because people know that these restrictions won't ever end.

It's been ages since i've seen anyone "social distancing" or "masking up" in stores, or at work.

You realize they haven’t ended yet because people like you that don’t follow guidelines have allowed the virus to spread and make it a necessity to continue restrictions, correct?

You people are shooting yourselves in the proverbial foot and it’s honestly sad

[Maricarland]

who insist that we drag this pandemic out as long as possible just so their lives aren't impacted.

No, just because people know that these restrictions won't ever end.

It's been ages since i've seen anyone "social distancing" or "masking up" in stores, or at work.

These restrictions will end, just as restrictions that countries used in previous pandemics (like the Spanish Flu, or the Black Death) ended. It may take a couple of years, but they will end. Refusing to follow restrictions just make the restrictions last longer.

Though who in their right mind expected a pandemic of a novel virus to be over in 2 weeks, or 1 month, or 3 months, or even 1 year.

[Maricarland]

What if "we have to learn to live with the virus" meant that we start engaging in long-term mitigation strategies to equip us to better handle this pandemic and future pandemics as well as building a robust healthcare system and building up social safety nets in the way of universal healthcare and other robust programs to be there all the time but particularly for times of disaster and emergency for people to fall back on... instead of, ya know, it meaning "lol guess we'll just see who dies"

EDIT: Seems Vass already ripped off the viral tweet I just saw/ripped off. Oh well, carry on then.

Plagiarism makes Baby Jesus cry.

I would not call it plagiarism, but rather the spreading of an idea, way of looking at things, or phrasing.

[Vassenor]

No, just because people know that these restrictions won't ever end.

It's been ages since i've seen anyone "social distancing" or "masking up" in stores, or at work.

These restrictions will end, just as restrictions that countries used in previous pandemics (like the Spanish Flu, or the Black Death) ended. It may take a couple of years, but they will end. Refusing to follow restrictions just make the restrictions last longer.

Though who in their right mind expected a pandemic of a novel virus to be over in 2 weeks, or 1 month, or 3 months, or even 1 year.

Trump said it would magically disappear by last easter. Are you saying Trump was wrong?

[Torisakia]

What if "we have to learn to live with the virus" meant that we start engaging in long-term mitigation strategies to equip us to better handle this pandemic and future pandemics as well as building a robust healthcare system and building up social safety nets in the way of universal healthcare and other robust programs to be there all the time but particularly for times of disaster and emergency for people to fall back on... instead of, ya know, it meaning "lol guess we'll just see who dies"

EDIT: Seems Vass already ripped off the viral tweet I just saw/ripped off. Oh well, carry on then.

We could, but that doesn't line the polticians' pockets with money so it's immediately out of consideration. So for the time being it's just a round of "some of you may die but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make".

[Antipatros]

US reaches 800,000 COVID deaths

WHO recommends booster for people with health problems and inactive vaccine recipients

[The Black Forrest]

These restrictions will end, just as restrictions that countries used in previous pandemics (like the Spanish Flu, or the Black Death) ended. It may take a couple of years, but they will end. Refusing to follow restrictions just make the restrictions last longer.

Though who in their right mind expected a pandemic of a novel virus to be over in 2 weeks, or 1 month, or 3 months, or even 1 year.

Trump said it would magically disappear by last easter. Are you saying Trump was wrong?

Well duh. People didn’t take their horse dewormer with a bleach chaser.

[The Black Forrest]

3rd day and final note:

Everybody back to normal.

No magneto powers. No nanobots. Disappointment….yet again.

[Diahon]

3rd day and final note:

Everybody back to normal.

No magneto powers. No nanobots. Disappointment….yet again.

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