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Should those wilfully unvaccinated against COVID-19 receive a lower priority for hospital treatment?

YES, ALWAYS - vaccination should be a basic precaution to protect your health and that of society
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26%
YES, BUT JUST FOR COVID-19 - you shouldn't get COVID treatment if you don't want to be safe from it
118
15%
NO, NEVER - healthcare should be based on the patient's need, not their circumstances
465
59%
 
Total votes : 792

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:43 am

Anti-vax zealot may face charges after death of Covid-19 patient

Gardaí are recommending criminal charges be brought against anti-vax extremist Antonio Mureddu in connection with Covid patient Joe McCarron’s departure from hospital in Donegal while gravely ill. The 67-year-old Covid-sceptic patient returned to hospital two days later, but subsequently died.

The Sunday Independent understands an investigation into the matter is “near completion” and gardaí in Donegal will send a file to the Director of Public Prosecutions, recommending Mr Mureddu be charged in connection with the incident, according to a senior security source. “All the circumstances” surrounding Mr McCarron’s decision to reject medical advice and leave Letterkenny University Hospital are being probed.

In a video that later went viral, Italian anti-vaccination extremist Mr Mureddu is seen encouraging the Covid-sceptic patient to leave, despite a doctor telling Mr McCarron he could die. “Among what’s being examined is whether this patient was forced or coerced to leave hospital,” said a well-placed source. Charges of trespass and whether hospital staff were threatened are also being considered. Medical staff and Mr McCarron’s family members have been interviewed, it is understood.

The video of the incident on September 14, the Italian can be seen telling Mr McCarron: “Put your trousers on, we are going now, you are safe, you follow me.” A staff member tells the patient he has the right to decide what he wants to do but adds: “You are barely able to breathe there now. We want you to stay and help you.”

“No Joe, they’re going to f***ing kill you Joe,” Mr Mureddu says before telling the staff member: “Because you are killing people.” The medic then tells Mr McCarron: “I’m very worried about you and I want you to stay. I think he is saying something very dangerous. What he is saying is very wrong and very dangerous, and I think he is endangering your life. “It is a very difficult disease that you have and I’m not lying to you, you could die. This will be your best chance in the hospital and getting the support we are giving to you.”

Mr Mureddu then intervenes and accuses hospital staff of “lying” and says: “We go.” “Think about this,” the staff member then tells the Italian. “You are endangering his life.” Two days later Mr McCarron was readmitted to hospital. He was placed on a ventilator but his condition deteriorated fatally. His family have criticised what happened and urged people to follow medical advice in relation to Covid-19.

An offence of endangerment states: “A person shall be guilty of an offence who intentionally or recklessly engages in conduct which creates a substantial risk of death or serious harm to another.” It carries a sentence of one to seven years in prison. Mr Mureddu (44) appeared at Letterkenny District Court, Co Donegal last Monday, on road traffic charges of having no insurance, using a fraudulent licence plate, and failing to give information to gardaí at Meencarragh, Ballybofey, Co Donegal on October 23.

Judge Raymond Finnegan asked if he had a solicitor and he replied he had no legal representative. He told Judge Finnegan: "I don't give jurisdiction to this court. I can represent myself." He then attempted to hand paperwork to Judge Finnegan but the judge said he was not accepting it. Mr Mureddu, who did not wear a facemask at any stage of the sitting, claimed he had items stolen by gardaí at Letterkenny garda station.

Judge Finnegan again told the accused he strongly recommended getting legal representation. Mr Mureddu replied: “Absolutely not. I don’t give any consent. I am the king and you are the public servant.”
I hope this fucker gets charged. Its ridiculous what he did.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:48 am

I hope they get him for manslaughter.
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The Huskar Social Union wrote:Anti-vax zealot may face charges after death of Covid-19 patient

Gardaí are recommending criminal charges be brought against anti-vax extremist Antonio Mureddu in connection with Covid patient Joe McCarron’s departure from hospital in Donegal while gravely ill. The 67-year-old Covid-sceptic patient returned to hospital two days later, but subsequently died.

The Sunday Independent understands an investigation into the matter is “near completion” and gardaí in Donegal will send a file to the Director of Public Prosecutions, recommending Mr Mureddu be charged in connection with the incident, according to a senior security source. “All the circumstances” surrounding Mr McCarron’s decision to reject medical advice and leave Letterkenny University Hospital are being probed.

In a video that later went viral, Italian anti-vaccination extremist Mr Mureddu is seen encouraging the Covid-sceptic patient to leave, despite a doctor telling Mr McCarron he could die. “Among what’s being examined is whether this patient was forced or coerced to leave hospital,” said a well-placed source. Charges of trespass and whether hospital staff were threatened are also being considered. Medical staff and Mr McCarron’s family members have been interviewed, it is understood.

The video of the incident on September 14, the Italian can be seen telling Mr McCarron: “Put your trousers on, we are going now, you are safe, you follow me.” A staff member tells the patient he has the right to decide what he wants to do but adds: “You are barely able to breathe there now. We want you to stay and help you.”

“No Joe, they’re going to f***ing kill you Joe,” Mr Mureddu says before telling the staff member: “Because you are killing people.” The medic then tells Mr McCarron: “I’m very worried about you and I want you to stay. I think he is saying something very dangerous. What he is saying is very wrong and very dangerous, and I think he is endangering your life. “It is a very difficult disease that you have and I’m not lying to you, you could die. This will be your best chance in the hospital and getting the support we are giving to you.”

Mr Mureddu then intervenes and accuses hospital staff of “lying” and says: “We go.” “Think about this,” the staff member then tells the Italian. “You are endangering his life.” Two days later Mr McCarron was readmitted to hospital. He was placed on a ventilator but his condition deteriorated fatally. His family have criticised what happened and urged people to follow medical advice in relation to Covid-19.

An offence of endangerment states: “A person shall be guilty of an offence who intentionally or recklessly engages in conduct which creates a substantial risk of death or serious harm to another.” It carries a sentence of one to seven years in prison. Mr Mureddu (44) appeared at Letterkenny District Court, Co Donegal last Monday, on road traffic charges of having no insurance, using a fraudulent licence plate, and failing to give information to gardaí at Meencarragh, Ballybofey, Co Donegal on October 23.

Judge Raymond Finnegan asked if he had a solicitor and he replied he had no legal representative. He told Judge Finnegan: "I don't give jurisdiction to this court. I can represent myself." He then attempted to hand paperwork to Judge Finnegan but the judge said he was not accepting it. Mr Mureddu, who did not wear a facemask at any stage of the sitting, claimed he had items stolen by gardaí at Letterkenny garda station.

Judge Finnegan again told the accused he strongly recommended getting legal representation. Mr Mureddu replied: “Absolutely not. I don’t give any consent. I am the king and you are the public servant.”
I hope this fucker gets charged. Its ridiculous what he did.

Funny how this happens. I am an anti vaxer nothing has happened yet

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:50 am

Rick Perry wrote:Funny how this happens. I am an anti vaxer nothing has happened yet

hopefully ur mom got you vaccinated against measles while you were still unable to formulate any opinions or you are going to have a fun time with getting it as an adult and then deal with having no effective immune system for the next few decades.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:55 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Anti-vax zealot may face charges after death of Covid-19 patient

Gardaí are recommending criminal charges be brought against anti-vax extremist Antonio Mureddu in connection with Covid patient Joe McCarron’s departure from hospital in Donegal while gravely ill. The 67-year-old Covid-sceptic patient returned to hospital two days later, but subsequently died.

The Sunday Independent understands an investigation into the matter is “near completion” and gardaí in Donegal will send a file to the Director of Public Prosecutions, recommending Mr Mureddu be charged in connection with the incident, according to a senior security source. “All the circumstances” surrounding Mr McCarron’s decision to reject medical advice and leave Letterkenny University Hospital are being probed.

In a video that later went viral, Italian anti-vaccination extremist Mr Mureddu is seen encouraging the Covid-sceptic patient to leave, despite a doctor telling Mr McCarron he could die. “Among what’s being examined is whether this patient was forced or coerced to leave hospital,” said a well-placed source. Charges of trespass and whether hospital staff were threatened are also being considered. Medical staff and Mr McCarron’s family members have been interviewed, it is understood.

The video of the incident on September 14, the Italian can be seen telling Mr McCarron: “Put your trousers on, we are going now, you are safe, you follow me.” A staff member tells the patient he has the right to decide what he wants to do but adds: “You are barely able to breathe there now. We want you to stay and help you.”

“No Joe, they’re going to f***ing kill you Joe,” Mr Mureddu says before telling the staff member: “Because you are killing people.” The medic then tells Mr McCarron: “I’m very worried about you and I want you to stay. I think he is saying something very dangerous. What he is saying is very wrong and very dangerous, and I think he is endangering your life. “It is a very difficult disease that you have and I’m not lying to you, you could die. This will be your best chance in the hospital and getting the support we are giving to you.”

Mr Mureddu then intervenes and accuses hospital staff of “lying” and says: “We go.” “Think about this,” the staff member then tells the Italian. “You are endangering his life.” Two days later Mr McCarron was readmitted to hospital. He was placed on a ventilator but his condition deteriorated fatally. His family have criticised what happened and urged people to follow medical advice in relation to Covid-19.

An offence of endangerment states: “A person shall be guilty of an offence who intentionally or recklessly engages in conduct which creates a substantial risk of death or serious harm to another.” It carries a sentence of one to seven years in prison. Mr Mureddu (44) appeared at Letterkenny District Court, Co Donegal last Monday, on road traffic charges of having no insurance, using a fraudulent licence plate, and failing to give information to gardaí at Meencarragh, Ballybofey, Co Donegal on October 23.

Judge Raymond Finnegan asked if he had a solicitor and he replied he had no legal representative. He told Judge Finnegan: "I don't give jurisdiction to this court. I can represent myself." He then attempted to hand paperwork to Judge Finnegan but the judge said he was not accepting it. Mr Mureddu, who did not wear a facemask at any stage of the sitting, claimed he had items stolen by gardaí at Letterkenny garda station.

Judge Finnegan again told the accused he strongly recommended getting legal representation. Mr Mureddu replied: “Absolutely not. I don’t give any consent. I am the king and you are the public servant.”
I hope this fucker gets charged. Its ridiculous what he did.

He should face charges of reckless indifference manslaughter, at the least.
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Postby Rick Perry » Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:59 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Rick Perry wrote:Funny how this happens. I am an anti vaxer nothing has happened yet

hopefully ur mom got you vaccinated against measles while you were still unable to formulate any opinions or you are going to have a fun time with getting it as an adult and then deal with having no effective immune system for the next few decades.

Huh. I wasn't vaccinated in 14 years. Sooooo

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:02 am

Rick Perry wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Anti-vax zealot may face charges after death of Covid-19 patient

I hope this fucker gets charged. Its ridiculous what he did.

Funny how this happens. I am an anti vaxer nothing has happened yet

Good for you, not so good for the man that fucked died because this cretin took him out of the hospital now is it?
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Postby Comerciante » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:10 am

Rick Perry wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:hopefully ur mom got you vaccinated against measles while you were still unable to formulate any opinions or you are going to have a fun time with getting it as an adult and then deal with having no effective immune system for the next few decades.

Huh. I wasn't vaccinated in 14 years. Sooooo

Congratulations you are an exception to the rule and using that status to convince other people that they'll be just as lucky.

It's not impossible that someone will never actually need to take a vaccination ever.

Just like it's not impossible for people to never get into a car accident. That doesn't mean we stop telling people to wear a seatbelt.
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Postby Rick Perry » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:10 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Rick Perry wrote:Funny how this happens. I am an anti vaxer nothing has happened yet

Good for you, not so good for the man that fucked died because this cretin took him out of the hospital now is it?

You use the word fucked I think fucking would work better. :rofl:
Well I didn't read the whole story but did the man that came out of the hospital feel better. If so taking him out of the hospital was what their supposed to do.

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Postby Rick Perry » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:11 am

Comerciante wrote:
Rick Perry wrote:Huh. I wasn't vaccinated in 14 years. Sooooo

Congratulations you are an exception to the rule and using that status to convince other people that they'll be just as lucky.

It's not impossible that someone will never actually need to take a vaccination ever.

Just like it's not impossible for people to never get into a car accident. That doesn't mean we stop telling people to wear a seatbelt.

I didn't say become an anti vaxer >:(

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:11 am

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:hopefully ur mom got you vaccinated against measles while you were still unable to formulate any opinions or you are going to have a fun time with getting it as an adult and then deal with having no effective immune system for the next few decades.

Huh. I wasn't vaccinated in 14 years. Sooooo

So you are gonna get assdestroyed by Tetanus next time you get a scrape wound?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:11 am

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The Huskar Social Union wrote:Good for you, not so good for the man that fucked died because this cretin took him out of the hospital now is it?

You use the word fucked I think fucking would work better. :rofl:
Well I didn't read the whole story but did the man that came out of the hospital feel better. If so taking him out of the hospital was what their supposed to do.

He died two days later.
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Postby Rick Perry » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:13 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Rick Perry wrote:Huh. I wasn't vaccinated in 14 years. Sooooo

So you are gonna get assdestroyed by Tetanus next time you get a scrape wound?

Tetanus? Isn't that the game with blocks of different shapes and sizes?

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Postby The Free Joy State » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:13 am

Rick Perry wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Good for you, not so good for the man that fucked died because this cretin took him out of the hospital now is it?

You use the word fucked I think fucking would work better. :rofl:
Well I didn't read the whole story but did the man that came out of the hospital feel better. If so taking him out of the hospital was what their supposed to do.

No, the man was dangerously ill when the Mr. Murredu pressurised him into leaving. The man returned to hospital two days later, but it was too late to save him and he died.
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Rick Perry wrote:You use the word fucked I think fucking would work better. :rofl:
Well I didn't read the whole story but did the man that came out of the hospital feel better. If so taking him out of the hospital was what their supposed to do.

No, the man was dangerously ill when the Mr. Murredu pressurised him into leaving. He returned to hospital two days later and died.

Oof

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:17 am

Rick Perry wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:So you are gonna get assdestroyed by Tetanus next time you get a scrape wound?

Tetanus? Isn't that the game with blocks of different shapes and sizes?

no that's the disease with such muscle spasms that you break bones from them. You need 3 vaccine shots to not end up in hospital for half a year paralysed and on mechanical ventilation just to avoid dying.
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Postby Rick Perry » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:18 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Rick Perry wrote:Tetanus? Isn't that the game with blocks of different shapes and sizes?

no that's the disease with such muscle spasms that you break bones from them. You need 3 vaccine shots to not end up in hospital for half a year paralysed and on mechanical ventilation just to avoid dying.

I know what it is.

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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:38 am

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-tal ... -covid?amp

Fauci says 'we're going to have to start living with COVID'

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Postby CoraSpia » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:42 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Rick Perry wrote:You use the word fucked I think fucking would work better. :rofl:
Well I didn't read the whole story but did the man that came out of the hospital feel better. If so taking him out of the hospital was what their supposed to do.

No, the man was dangerously ill when the Mr. Murredu pressurised him into leaving. The man returned to hospital two days later, but it was too late to save him and he died.

The guy appears to be a tit, but I'm not sure he really should be held responsible. The patient in the hospital has capacity, and just listened to bad advice.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:45 am

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/583269-fauci-were-going-to-have-to-start-living-with-covid?amp

Fauci says 'we're going to have to start living with COVID'


Looks like we're stuck with masks and social distancing then if the virus isn't going away.
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Postby Rick Perry » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:46 am

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/583269-fauci-were-going-to-have-to-start-living-with-covid?amp

Fauci says 'we're going to have to start living with COVID'

I am not surprised. Ass of a man won't tell us what actually going on.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:46 am

Rick Perry wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/583269-fauci-were-going-to-have-to-start-living-with-covid?amp

Fauci says 'we're going to have to start living with COVID'

I am not surprised. Ass of a man won't tell us what actually going on.


By which you mean won't bend the truth to tell you what you want to hear.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:47 am

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/583269-fauci-were-going-to-have-to-start-living-with-covid?amp

Fauci says 'we're going to have to start living with COVID'

He also said that the current rate of infection is "unacceptable", so I'm not sure his concept is the same as yours'.

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The Free Joy State wrote:No, the man was dangerously ill when the Mr. Murredu pressurised him into leaving. The man returned to hospital two days later, but it was too late to save him and he died.

The guy appears to be a tit, but I'm not sure he really should be held responsible. The patient in the hospital has capacity, and just listened to bad advice.

Capacity is severely diminished when seriously sick and ravaged by fever (a symptom of COVID).

So, he is responsible. He blundered in, shouting that the nurses and doctors were going to murder the patient -- when he was at his least resistance -- and ordering him (repeatedly) to follow him. Taking a seriously sick person away from where they can get the necessary medical care is a course of action that can reasonably hasten or cause their demise, and thus he should be held responsible for his reckless indifference.
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Postby Rick Perry » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:47 am

Vassenor wrote:
Rick Perry wrote:I am not surprised. Ass of a man won't tell us what actually going on.


By which you mean won't bend the truth to tell you what you want to hear.

They tell us what we want to hear and not what we need to hear.

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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:48 am

Rick Perry wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/583269-fauci-were-going-to-have-to-start-living-with-covid?amp

Fauci says 'we're going to have to start living with COVID'

I am not surprised. Ass of a man won't tell us what actually going on.

No he’s being realistic. We need to start to accept that it’s endemic and begin to move on.

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