Coronavirus Thread VII: Jagged Little Pill (READ OP)

[Thermodolia]

Hence why it should only happen in a last resort situation. Outside of that no. An STI isn’t going to kill you in 24 to 48 hours, but a heart attack will.

Suicidal people are more important than COVID patients because they have attempted to end their life therefore they should get immediate care.

This is probably one of the most ridiculous things anyone has ever posted.

You're saying that someone who hasn't got a vaccine doesn't deserve treatment because they've knowingly endangered their own lives...

What? No. I’m not saying that. Vaccinated status would only come into play if both persons are equally healthy. So it wouldn’t happen in this case.

...but the fact that suicidal people have done exactly the same thing... makes them higher priority? What...?

Tread lightly.

[Canada CA]

...but the fact that suicidal people have done exactly the same thing... makes them higher priority? What...?

Tread lightly.

No, I'm not gonna tread lightly at all.

How do suicidal people, who haven't only endangered their life, of course, but made efforts to end it altogether, warrant higher priority?

[Thermodolia]

How does a suicide attempt actively endanger society at large?

They are taking up a bed.

But since they’ve both attempted suicidal or are in such a dangerous situation neither should be denied care as it’s an emergency situation.

Which means that those who are younger and have some minor health problems will be removed

[Antipatros]

In my opinion, we pick one or the other. This middle ground where the pandemic is prolonged for years and the quality of healthcare falls to a third world level for those who can't get a hospital bed during COVID surges is intolerable.

It will not be prolonged for years. Stop treating those for Covid who didn’t get the vaccine and watch the numbers skyrocket.

I don't think this will happen, despite a few examples of doctors refusing to see unvaccinated COVID patients. It is an extreme course of action.

This whole debate is essentially a pure hypothetical.

[Thermodolia]

Tread lightly.

No, I'm not gonna tread lightly at all.

How do suicidal people, who haven't only endangered their life, of course, but made efforts to end it altogether, warrant higher priority?

Because they have fucking attempted to fucking kill themselves or been fucking close to fucking killing themselves!! It’s kind of an emergency situation so it fucking moves them to the fucking top

[The Alma Mater]

Yea, we don't see diabetics, heart attack victims, etc. overcrowding hospitals to the level Covid patients are now. Even during the worst flu seasons that doesn't happen.

Sure, but there still are diabetics and heart attack victims in hospitals right now. Should we kick out the ones whose lifestyle choices got them into that state and give their beds to vaccinated covid patients?

If need be, yes.
If preventability and not survivability becomes the main criterium I do think one has to take into account how hard it is to take preventive measures though. Someone trying to lose 30 kilos to be less obese during the pandemic has a better excuse for failing than someone who refused to get a little prick.

But if the situation gets bad enough..

[Canada CA]

No, I'm not gonna tread lightly at all.

How do suicidal people, who haven't only endangered their life, of course, but made efforts to end it altogether, warrant higher priority?

Because they have fucking attempted to fucking kill themselves or been fucking close to fucking killing themselves!! It’s kind of an emergency situation so it fucking moves them to the fucking top

So...? Why does that make them a higher priority?

If people who've refused the vaccine are lower priority, why does somebody who's done something like attempt suicide warrant higher priority?

As a disclaimer, I'm not saying they deserve higher/lower priority, I'm just using this to point out the absolute garbage that your point is here.

[Antipatros]

It will not be prolonged for years. Stop treating those for Covid who didn’t get the vaccine and watch the numbers skyrocket.

I don't think this will happen, despite a few examples of doctors refusing to see unvaccinated COVID patients. It is an extreme course of action.

This whole debate is essentially a pure hypothetical.

The most likely result is that the business community and the government will keep putting pressure on the unvaccinated by mandating the vaccine in different ways. I doubt that the vaccines will become universally compulsory.

In the mean time, people will keep dying unnecessarily from COVID and from shortages of hospital beds.

[Kragholm Free States]

No, I'm not gonna tread lightly at all.

How do suicidal people, who haven't only endangered their life, of course, but made efforts to end it altogether, warrant higher priority?

Because they have fucking attempted to fucking kill themselves or been fucking close to fucking killing themselves!! It’s kind of an emergency situation so it fucking moves them to the fucking top

So someone who has decided to not do something that reduces their chances of dying deserves to be lower priority for healthcare...

...but someone who has decided to do something with the deliberate aim of dying deserves to be higher priority.

Rather inconsistent, no? Maybe it'd be best if the healthcare system didn't factor in people's actions when deciding whether or not to prioritise their treatment.

Fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking.

[Thermodolia]

Because they have fucking attempted to fucking kill themselves or been fucking close to fucking killing themselves!! It’s kind of an emergency situation so it fucking moves them to the fucking top

So...? Why does that make them a higher priority?

If people who've refused the vaccine are lower priority, why does somebody who's done something like attempt suicide warrant higher priority?

As a disclaimer, I'm not saying they deserve higher/lower priority, I'm just using this to point out the absolute garbage that your point is here.

You completely ignored half of my post explaining the priorities. Vaccine status would only come into play if they are both equally healthy and the same age.

So if say a unvaccinated 20 year old comes in with back pain or an STI they get told to come back at a later date while the vaccinated 20 year old will get seen. Its not to do with anything else, especially not cases involving suicide or heart attacks.

Vaccine status should only come into effect with lower priority issues.

[Canada CA]

Rather inconsistent, no? Maybe it'd be best if the healthcare system didn't factor in people's actions when deciding whether or not to prioritise their treatment.

Fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking.

I don't expect anything different from NSG

So if say a unvaccinated 20 year old comes in with back pain or an STI they get told to come back at a later date while the vaccinated 20 year old will get seen. Its not to do with anything else, especially not cases involving suicide or heart attacks.

Yeah, it's still an awful argument.

[Thermodolia]

Because they have fucking attempted to fucking kill themselves or been fucking close to fucking killing themselves!! It’s kind of an emergency situation so it fucking moves them to the fucking top

So someone who has decided to not do something that reduces their chances of dying deserves to be lower priority for healthcare...

Only in cases where they’ll be okay not receiving care for awhile.

...but someone who has decided to do something with the deliberate aim of dying deserves to be higher priority.

Because it’s an emergency situation. That bumps them higher up the list.

Rather inconsistent, no? Maybe it'd be best if the healthcare system didn't factor in people's actions when deciding whether or not to prioritise their treatment.

Triage is inconsistent, it fucking sucks. Having to decide who receives care or not is not fun nor consistent.

Besides you keep ignoring my entire argument to fire off pot shots because you can’t argue my point

[Thermodolia]

Rather inconsistent, no? Maybe it'd be best if the healthcare system didn't factor in people's actions when deciding whether or not to prioritise their treatment.

Fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking.

I don't expect anything different from NSG

So if say a unvaccinated 20 year old comes in with back pain or an STI they get told to come back at a later date while the vaccinated 20 year old will get seen. Its not to do with anything else, especially not cases involving suicide or heart attacks.

Yeah, it's still an awful argument.

You don’t understand triage. You can’t treat everyone so at some point you are going to have make decisions. Heart attacks, suicides, and the inability to breathe are all high on the list and it doesn’t matter if you got vaccinated or not.

A broken toe or whatever won’t be seen. And yes if you broke your toe because you did something stupid to yourself you’ll be told to come back later

[San Lumen]

It will not be prolonged for years. Stop treating those for Covid who didn’t get the vaccine and watch the numbers skyrocket.

I don't think this will happen, despite a few examples of doctors refusing to see unvaccinated COVID patients. It is an extreme course of action.

This whole debate is essentially a pure hypothetical.

It doesnt have to be a hypothetical.

[Antipatros]

My hope was that the anti-vaccine movement would be small enough that we wouldn't be in too much trouble. Unfortunately, our "leaders" have managed to politicize the issue, and now we're stuck in a shitty and entirely avoidable situation.

[Rusozak]

Hey, you know what would make all of this debate about prioritizing care for the vaccinated pointless? Mandatory vaccinations! Start going after them with a dart gun full of vaccine if you have to, just get it done. Stick whiny adults with a little needle against their will or have no choice but to pick who lives and who dies because hospitals are overwhelmed, pick one.

[Thermodolia]

Hey, you know what would make all of this debate about prioritizing care for the vaccinated pointless? Mandatory vaccinations! Start going after them with a dart gun full of vaccine if you have to, just get it done. Stick whiny adults with a little needle against their will or have no choice but to pick who lives and who dies because hospitals are overwhelmed, pick one.

The image of someone chasing after others with a dart gun is quite funny.

But yes as I’ve said before they should be charged with a felony for not vaccinating and then as punishment be vaccinated

[Canada CA]

Hey, you know what would make all of this debate about prioritizing care for the vaccinated pointless? Mandatory vaccinations! Start going after them with a dart gun full of vaccine if you have to, just get it done. Stick whiny adults with a little needle against their will or have no choice but to pick who lives and who dies because hospitals are overwhelmed, pick one.

Try coming at me with a dart gun, and see what happens.

[The Reformed American Republic]

The only people severely burdening the medical profession are the unvaccinated covid-19 patients.

The medical field has been strained for a long time because over being understaffed and overburdened lmao. Fat people, people not taking their meds like the should, etc down the list. But the point is, we shouldn't be opening this door because it has the potential to lead to very bad places in the future. Furthermore, it runs counter to medical ethics. If the unvaccinated COVID patient is the one who needs the most attentive care in order to live, then they should receive it because that is the mission of medicine. If a gang member comes in with multiple gunshot wounds, should the hospital lower their priority? No, because that defeats the fucking purpose of medicine. You people want to corrupt into something vile because your own hearts have rotted because of dumb as shit polarization. Do you really think that doing this will improve the reputation of the medical field for the demographics with higher rates of vaccination hesitancy? All you do is give them ammo. This isn't to mention that the demographics with lower rates of vaccination and higher rates of vaccine hesitancy are disproportionately poorer and non-white.

I'm for mandatory vaccinations, not denying them care. All I did was accurately say they're the biggest burden.

[Rusozak]

Hey, you know what would make all of this debate about prioritizing care for the vaccinated pointless? Mandatory vaccinations! Start going after them with a dart gun full of vaccine if you have to, just get it done. Stick whiny adults with a little needle against their will or have no choice but to pick who lives and who dies because hospitals are overwhelmed, pick one.

Try coming at me with a dart gun, and see what happens.

Yes Austreylia, you made it quite clear already that you endorse violence against anyone who even asks about your vaccination status. Your chest pounding barbaric threats mean nothing.

[Canada CA]

Yes Austreylia, you made it quite clear already that you endorse violence against anyone who even asks about your vaccination status. Your chest pounding barbaric threats mean nothing.

What d'you expect me to respond to something as stupid as the post you made?

Some vizor-wearing idiot trying to fire a dart at me will not end well for them.

[Thermodolia]

Yes Austreylia, you made it quite clear already that you endorse violence against anyone who even asks about your vaccination status. Your chest pounding barbaric threats mean nothing.

What d'you expect me to respond to something as stupid as the post you made?

Some vizor-wearing idiot trying to fire a dart at me will not end well for them.

Really? Can you not be a ITG for at least a day?

[Czervenika]

I am vaccinated, but tbh I would find it kind of funny if some doctor came after me with a syringe gun. I would be thinking about Medic from Team Fortress 2 the entire time.

[Thermodolia]

I am vaccinated, but tbh I would find it kind of funny if some doctor came after me with a syringe gun. I would be thinking about Medic from Team Fortress 2 the entire time.

Hahahahah. Same.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I am vaccinated, but tbh I would find it kind of funny if some doctor came after me with a syringe gun. I would be thinking about Medic from Team Fortress 2 the entire time.

Are we wild beasts? That's what that scenario makes me think. xD

Doubtful such a thing would happen however.