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Should the State of Israel have a right to exist?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:58 pm
by Koletsia
I pose this question because as an anachronistic imperialist experiment it seems very strange that we allow them to slaughter the native inhabitants like the Israelites slaughtered the Canaanites thousands of years ago just so some whites from Europe can role play as ancient people. Seems kind of strange to me. What do you think?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:10 pm
by Diahon
This is bait, innit?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:29 pm
by Koletsia
Diahon wrote:This is bait, innit?

I am asking sincerely.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:32 pm
by Great Algerstonia
Israel as a whole is a myth. The nation, nor the territory it is on, does not exist. It is in reality part of the Red Sea, which is named after the communist and not Islamist state of Commi Arabia, which is named after the Union of Soviet Communist Republics, which contrary to popular belief still exists and is named "USCR", not "USSR".

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:34 pm
by Kubra
Great Algerstonia wrote:Israel as a whole is a myth. The nation, nor the territory it is on, does not exist. It is in reality part of the Red Sea, which is named after the communist and not Islamist state of Commi Arabia, which is named after the Union of Soviet Communist Republics, which contrary to popular belief still exists and is named "USCR", not "USSR".
Wrong: it does exist, but is part of the red sea. Everyone lives underwater.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:35 pm
by Diahon
Koletsia wrote:
Diahon wrote:This is bait, innit?

I am asking sincerely.

I wonder about that, but I suppose the onion shall be peeled soon enough.

In any case, dubious guy with an Israeli flag, the people you mock as roleplayers do have lineages that can be traced to Roman Judea, and through that, to the Israel of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. That's their claim to the land, their refuge from a world that still can't move on from its petty bigotries, and the reason why they and the Palestinians still have to torture each other for a land they can share in common, for a land that shall only be made whole if they can somehow work things out.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:44 pm
by Koletsia
Diahon wrote:
Koletsia wrote:I am asking sincerely.

I wonder about that, but I suppose the onion shall be peeled soon enough.

In any case, dubious guy with an Israeli flag, the people you mock as roleplayers do have lineages that can be traced to Roman Judea, and through that, to the Israel of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. That's their claim to the land, their refuge from a world that still can't move on from its petty bigotries, and the reason why they and the Palestinians still have to torture each other for a land they can share in common, for a land that shall only be made whole if they can somehow work things out.


This logic would literally give any peoples a right to claim land that they historically lived in regardless of how they got there and regardless of how far distant in time it was.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:46 pm
by Kubra
To make a serious answer, at this point enough folks have been born there and lived there for their entire lives, so it's difficult to really get behind proposals to drive em to the sea.
Whether or not the "state" has the right to exist is a tricky thing, since you know states ain't necessarily the folks. The second French empire had no right to exist, but France most certainly did and does.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:48 pm
by Diahon
Koletsia wrote:
Diahon wrote:I wonder about that, but I suppose the onion shall be peeled soon enough.

In any case, dubious guy with an Israeli flag, the people you mock as roleplayers do have lineages that can be traced to Roman Judea, and through that, to the Israel of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. That's their claim to the land, their refuge from a world that still can't move on from its petty bigotries, and the reason why they and the Palestinians still have to torture each other for a land they can share in common, for a land that shall only be made whole if they can somehow work things out.


This logic would literally give any peoples a right to claim land that they historically lived in regardless of how they got there and regardless of how far distant in time it was.

Would you feel better if the people who decided to go to Palestine instead decamped in Kenya? Or settled in Madagascar? Or chose Seward in Alaska?

Point is, they are refugees; Palestine was just the piece of land with the strongest emotional attachment at the time, things being what they were (six million dead, continental Europe a smoldering ruin, sHitler brained and roasted...).

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:52 pm
by New haven america
No states should exist.

A united humanity is a much better option but people apparently don't like each other.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:59 pm
by Ifreann
States do not have rights. People have rights.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:00 pm
by Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum
New haven america wrote:No states should exist.

A united humanity is a much better option but people apparently don't like each other.
Our target should be the United World State, but the real problem is the behavior we see as language and culture. The first men of the United World are Regional States such as the European Union.In this regard, the state of Israel should be geographically part of the Republic of the West Asian Union.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:02 pm
by Diarcesia
Yes. Especially if it comes to the point that it is the only place Jews (and others as well) can freely practice their religion.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:51 pm
by Postauthoritarian America
Arguably Israel has established its right to exist through force of arms if for no other reason. With the exception of some Arab states most of the world, including the UN, recognizes the State of Israel, so there's that. That being said no nation has the right to oppress any of its residents, such as the Israeli government does to its Arab residents, or such as, say, Saudi Arabia does to its guest workers. But states don't generally forfeit their right to exist because they oppress some of their residents.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:52 pm
by Koletsia
Diarcesia wrote:Yes. Especially if it comes to the point that it is the only place Jews (and others as well) can freely practice their religion.


Why should the Jewish people get their own state exclusive of multiculturalism where they can be themselves but not the English or the French or the Germans, for example?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:55 pm
by The Imperium Empires
All countries have the right to exist, does Israel have flaws yeah….

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:58 pm
by Just-An-Illusion
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
New haven america wrote:No states should exist.

A united humanity is a much better option but people apparently don't like each other.
Our target should be the United World State, but the real problem is the behavior we see as language and culture. The first men of the United World are Regional States such as the European Union.In this regard, the state of Israel should be geographically part of the Republic of the West Asian Union.
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I don't know man... A world government would most likely lead to more corruption.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:59 pm
by Odreria
more like isn’t real

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:59 pm
by Neo-Western East Korea
the middle east should be a part of brazil

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:01 pm
by Republic Of Ludwigsburg
They should have the right to exist, but they can't kick arabs out of the land. They should share it.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:01 pm
by The Jamesian Republic
Neo-Western East Korea wrote:the middle east should be a part of brazil


How? The Middle East and Brazil have nothing in common and are on opposite parts of the world.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:01 pm
by Swaraelia
Odreria wrote:more like isn’t real

Yeah, this thread will be great.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:02 pm
by Republic Of Ludwigsburg
Neo-Western East Korea wrote:the middle east should be a part of brazil

chad brazil vs cringe israel and palestinian land

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:02 pm
by A m e n r i a
Kubra wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:Israel as a whole is a myth. The nation, nor the territory it is on, does not exist. It is in reality part of the Red Sea, which is named after the communist and not Islamist state of Commi Arabia, which is named after the Union of Soviet Communist Republics, which contrary to popular belief still exists and is named "USCR", not "USSR".
Wrong: it does exist, but is part of the red sea. Everyone lives underwater.


Are you ready kids?
Aye aye, captain!
I can't hear you!
Aye aye, captain!
Ooooooooooooo

Who lives in a rogue state under the sea?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:02 pm
by Koletsia
Diahon wrote:
Koletsia wrote:
This logic would literally give any peoples a right to claim land that they historically lived in regardless of how they got there and regardless of how far distant in time it was.

Would you feel better if the people who decided to go to Palestine instead decamped in Kenya? Or settled in Madagascar? Or chose Seward in Alaska?

Point is, they are refugees; Palestine was just the piece of land with the strongest emotional attachment at the time, things being what they were (six million dead, continental Europe a smoldering ruin, sHitler brained and roasted...).


Does emotional attachment and sad circumstances give refugees a right to remove/displace people who have been living in an area for thousands of years?