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Postby Neo-Western East Korea » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:02 pm

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Neo-Western East Korea wrote:the middle east should be a part of brazil


How? The Middle East and Brazil have nothing in common and are on opposite parts of the world.


nah man they're literally the same country

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Postby New haven america » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:04 pm

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Who lives in a rogue state under the sea?

The only country in the world that considers Israel a rogue state is Turkey, but that doesn't mean much as it considers pretty much all its neighbors to be rogue states. Gee, I wonder why?
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:05 pm

Just-An-Illusion wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Our target should be the United World State, but the real problem is the behavior we see as language and culture. The first men of the United World are Regional States such as the European Union.In this regard, the state of Israel should be geographically part of the Republic of the West Asian Union.


I don't know man... A world government would most likely lead to more corruption.
Do you think there will be corruption on the planet where there is a world government working for the happiness of people and the continuation of our lineage and all people who are aware of this ? Why are there borders ? We're all human, don't you think it's ridiculous ?
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Postby Republic Of Ludwigsburg » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:06 pm

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Neo-Western East Korea wrote:the middle east should be a part of brazil


How? The Middle East and Brazil have nothing in common and are on opposite parts of the world.

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Postby Willtechia » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:08 pm

In my opinion, the Israelis should get the majority jewish areas, and the Palestinians get the Musilm areas. Jerusalem can be a free city.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:08 pm

Neo-Western East Korea wrote:
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How? The Middle East and Brazil have nothing in common and are on opposite parts of the world.


nah man they're literally the same country

You're thinking of Bolivia
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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:09 pm

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This logic would literally give any peoples a right to claim land that they historically lived in regardless of how they got there and regardless of how far distant in time it was.

Would you feel better if the people who decided to go to Palestine instead decamped in Kenya? Or settled in Madagascar? Or chose Seward in Alaska?

Point is, they are refugees; Palestine was just the piece of land with the strongest emotional attachment at the time, things being what they were (six million dead, continental Europe a smoldering ruin, sHitler brained and roasted...).


Raises the issue of whether the US (inter alia) should have recognized the State of Israel. I lean towards no. But today it's an established fact so.
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Postby Just-An-Illusion » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:09 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
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I don't know man... A world government would most likely lead to more corruption.
Do you think there will be corruption on the planet where there is a world government working for the happiness of people and the continuation of our lineage and all people who are aware of this ? Why are there borders ? We're all human, don't you think it's ridiculous ?


Having a world government is literally impossible and it will never happen... But keep dreaming, I guess.
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Postby Neo-Western East Korea » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:09 pm

Brazil, Bolivia, when are we combining all nations with B-names into one super-state to make things easier?

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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:10 pm

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Who lives in a rogue state under the sea?

The only country in the world that considers Israel a rogue state is Turkey, but that doesn't mean much as it considers pretty much all its neighbors to be rogue states. Gee, I wonder why?
You should read more books. Nobody sees Israel as a rogue state.States with reciprocal embassies do not see each other as bandits. but we know very well the name of the state that we and the whole world do not trust the most.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:11 pm

Just-An-Illusion wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Do you think there will be corruption on the planet where there is a world government working for the happiness of people and the continuation of our lineage and all people who are aware of this ? Why are there borders ? We're all human, don't you think it's ridiculous ?


Having a world government is literally impossible and will never happen... But keep dreaming, I guess.

Well no, it's not.

It's actually becoming more feasible as technology advances. Also, Earth is actually really tiny, did you know 100 Earths can fit inside Jupiter for example, and Jupiter's not even the biggest planet to ever exist.
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Postby Koletsia » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:12 pm

Willtechia wrote:In my opinion, the Israelis should get the majority jewish areas, and the Palestinians get the Musilm areas. Jerusalem can be a free city.


They have continued to expand the "Jewish areas" since the founding of the State of Israel and in the process "evicting" the indigenous inhabitants and present no sign that they will stop doing so. How do you define these Jewish areas?

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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:22 pm

New haven america wrote:
Just-An-Illusion wrote:
Having a world government is literally impossible and will never happen... But keep dreaming, I guess.

Well no, it's not.

It's actually becoming more feasible as technology advances. Also, Earth is actually really tiny, did you know 100 Earths can fit inside Jupiter for example, and Jupiter's not even the biggest planet to ever exist.
First of all, let's establish the North American Union Republic in the European Union Style as the first step to the unified world. You have a lot to learn from the European Union or the Roman Union. Because of its location, I'm sure you can establish a union state between Israel and other Arab republics in a European style, but you cannot explain it to the ego of American Nationalism.
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Postby Sungoldy-China » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:30 pm

Only war can determine whether a country should exist,
As long as Israel can win the war ,it will continue to exist
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Postby Diarcesia » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:32 pm

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Diarcesia wrote:Yes. Especially if it comes to the point that it is the only place Jews (and others as well) can freely practice their religion.


Why should the Jewish people get their own state exclusive of multiculturalism where they can be themselves but not the English or the French or the Germans, for example?

Hmm my personal take is that theirs is a special case because they were a prime target of the Holocaust. Note that I see this as the right for the 'concept' of Israel to exist. Not necessarily that it has to be located in the Holy Land.

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Postby New haven america » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:33 pm

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Diarcesia wrote:Yes. Especially if it comes to the point that it is the only place Jews (and others as well) can freely practice their religion.


Why should the Jewish people get their own state exclusive of multiculturalism where they can be themselves but not the English or the French or the Germans, for example?

Israel's actually quite multi-cultural, seeing as how most of the population is Middle Eastern and African. (Also, any Jew is eligible for citizenship, even those that are only genetically)
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:24 pm

Gonna drop the epic take that no state has the right to exist, especially not ones that practice apartheid.
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Should the Zionist régime have a right to exist?

Postby Deacarsia » Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:30 pm

No, the Zionist régime in Palæstine has no right to exist, nor should it.
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Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:34 pm

Agree with Cordel that no state has a right to exist. As for the people, they have a right to be there as much as I do. Which is to say, when your claim is 2000 years old, it doesn't mean much but open borders, so you can live there if you like.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:44 am

Regardless of its many, many flaws, the State of Israel is more or less the only thing standing between the Jewish people who inhabit it and being subjected to a second Holocaust by their Arab neighbours.
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Postby Koletsia » Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:11 am

New haven america wrote:Israel's actually quite multi-cultural, seeing as how most of the population is Middle Eastern and African. (Also, any Jew is eligible for citizenship, even those that are only genetically)


Multi-racial is not the same thing as multi-cultural. Due to history Jews come in a variety of colours but no other ethnicity/religious group can immigrate to Israel except Jews. If people in western countries suggest they desire similar policies for their own countries, that only Christians be allowed to immigrate that they may keep their country majority Christian, for example, they are called neo-nazis and all the rest. Isn't this strange?

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