Should the State of Israel have a right to exist?

[The Hazar Amisnery]

I didn't know you could un-exist a country.

[Grave_n_idle]

I didn't know you could un-exist a country.

No?

Let's do a thought experiment.

To start, can you just show me where the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia is on a map?

[Azania-]

Again false god

That's just, like, your opinion, man.

He's out of his element.

I didn't know you could un-exist a country.

No?

Let's do a thought experiment.

To start, can you just show me where the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia is on a map?

Too soon.

[Suriyanakhon]

Your god is bad.

And your false god is going to drag you down

As opposed to supporting a genocidal state lol.

[Salus Maior]

God will always defend Israel if the world attacks Israel god will curse the world with 3 days of darkness stopping time unleashing demons upon the world for three days if from those who not have the blood of Jesus Christ and keeping there church then their pet or any animal will become demon food after those three days there be nothing but famine and humans have to turn to cannibalism after the three days of darkness.

Yeah, none of that is true.

Israel literally has been attacked before by proper states, coalitions of states even.

And further, Israel doesn't enjoy any favoritism from God as a country, or a people for that matter.

[Kubra]

God will always defend Israel if the world attacks Israel god will curse the world with 3 days of darkness stopping time unleashing demons upon the world for three days if from those who not have the blood of Jesus Christ and keeping there church then their pet or any animal will become demon food after those three days there be nothing but famine and humans have to turn to cannibalism after the three days of darkness.

Yeah, none of that is true.

Israel literally has been attacked before by proper states, coalitions of states even.

And further, Israel doesn't enjoy any favoritism from God as a country, or a people for that matter.

all of it is true, and it's not over: after those three days have passed, it will be wing wednesday, all pounds of wings half priced after 3:00PM.

[Genivaria]

My god is a lesbian your argument is invalid

Again false god

Silence false prophet.

[Novus America]

I didn't know you could un-exist a country.

No?

Let's do a thought experiment.

To start, can you just show me where the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia is on a map?

And how many died? The thing about wishing to “un-exist” Israel means willing to tolerate, or even wanting what would likely be millions of deaths.

[Fahran]

No?

Let's do a thought experiment.

To start, can you just show me where the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia is on a map?

Can I put the map over my chest and point to my heart?

[Fahran]

And how many died? The thing g about wishing to “in-exist” Israel means willing to tolerate, or even wanting what would likely be millions of deaths.

Really, any suggestion that Israel cease to exist is more or less genocidal or a pie-in-the-sky fantasy given the previous ethnic tensions and history of the region. There's really no reason to humor such talk. We can't even rely on the group of people who make such arguments to not harbor Antisemites on a routine basis, to the point that they'll harass Jewish people and engage in Holocaust denial/the desecration of memorials. Why would any Jewish person trust a vision offered by such folks then?

[Genivaria]

And how many died? The thing g about wishing to “in-exist” Israel means willing to tolerate, or even wanting what would likely be millions of deaths.

Really, any suggestion that Israel cease to exist is more or less genocidal or a pie-in-the-sky fantasy given the previous ethnic tensions and history of the region. There's really no reason to humor such talk. We can't even rely on the group of people who make such arguments to not harbor Antisemites on a routine basis, to the point that they'll harass Jewish people and engage in Holocaust denial/the desecration of memorials. Why would any Jewish person trust a vision offered by such folks then?

This comment reminded me of a student who was asked if she would condemn Hamas which she refused and than asked if she supported the extermination of the Jewish people, she said she did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPjpqiC ... iftingFeet

[Pasong Tirad]

No?

Let's do a thought experiment.

To start, can you just show me where the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia is on a map?

Too soon.

It's been 29 years.

[ImperialRussia]

God will always defend Israel if the world attacks Israel god will curse the world with 3 days of darkness stopping time unleashing demons upon the world for three days if from those who not have the blood of Jesus Christ and keeping there church then their pet or any animal will become demon food after those three days there be nothing but famine and humans have to turn to cannibalism after the three days of darkness.

Yeah, none of that is true.

Israel literally has been attacked before by proper states, coalitions of states even.

And further, Israel doesn't enjoy any favoritism from God as a country, or a people for that matter.

Lol god hasn’t left Israel he will never let it go he just makes a new Israel

[ImperialRussia]

And how many died? The thing g about wishing to “in-exist” Israel means willing to tolerate, or even wanting what would likely be millions of deaths.

Really, any suggestion that Israel cease to exist is more or less genocidal or a pie-in-the-sky fantasy given the previous ethnic tensions and history of the region. There's really no reason to humor such talk. We can't even rely on the group of people who make such arguments to not harbor Antisemites on a routine basis, to the point that they'll harass Jewish people and engage in Holocaust denial/the desecration of memorials. Why would any Jewish person trust a vision offered by such folks then?

The Jewish people are better off nationalists

[ImperialRussia]

Again false god

Silence false prophet.

The god she believes in is a hypocrite and there is false because will never make himself a creation man that failed the test of Adam and lead a god to sex and lewdness that will cause hypocrisy that will cause demons to laugh human begins for the one true messiah that will redeem your sins in forgiveness in repentance from which lord Jesus put himself on a cross so we can have are sins forgiven in true repentance in confessing are sins to god. Rev, 20 Destruction of Pagan Nations Kings of Kings Lords of Lords our god Jesus Christ.

[Genivaria]

Silence false prophet.

The god she believes in is a hypocrite and there is false because will never make himself a creation man that failed the test of Adam and lead a god to sex and lewdness that will cause hypocrisy that will cause demons to laugh human begins for the one true messiah that will redeem your sins in forgiveness in repentance from which lord Jesus put himself on a cross so we can have are sins forgiven in true repentance in confessing are sins to god. Rev, 20 Destruction of Pagan Nations Kings of Kings Lords of Lords our god Jesus Christ.

*yawn*

[Fahran]

This comment reminded me of a student who was asked if she would condemn Hamas which she refused and than asked if she supported the extermination of the Jewish people, she said she did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPjpqiC ... iftingFeet

Yeppers. This is why I'm adamant that Jewish people not put down their shield without concessions that lead to permanent peace and security.

On the same note, the lack of a nation-state has been a complete disaster for Palestinians, Kurds, the Amazigh, and numerous other groups in the region. While ethnic and religious pluralism would be nice, the one proven way of conserving communities, at least on some level, appears to be giving them the means to sustain and defend themselves.

[Grave_n_idle]

Yeah, none of that is true.

Israel literally has been attacked before by proper states, coalitions of states even.

And further, Israel doesn't enjoy any favoritism from God as a country, or a people for that matter.

Lol god hasn’t left Israel he will never let it go he just makes a new Israel

You DO understand you now have the same position on Israel that Iran has?

[Grave_n_idle]

This comment reminded me of a student who was asked if she would condemn Hamas which she refused and than asked if she supported the extermination of the Jewish people, she said she did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPjpqiC ... iftingFeet

Yeppers. This is why I'm adamant that Jewish people not put down their shield without concessions that lead to permanent peace and security.

And this is why the Israel situation isn't getting solved.

You're talking about "concessions that lead to permanent peace and security", but the people you would have to convince had their land stolen and have lived under illegal occupation for half a century.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Yeah, none of that is true.

Israel literally has been attacked before by proper states, coalitions of states even.

And further, Israel doesn't enjoy any favoritism from God as a country, or a people for that matter.

Lol god hasn’t left Israel he will never let it go he just makes a new Israel

smh the Jews dont even pray to the same godbeing as you.

[Ithalian Empire]

Silence false prophet.

The god she believes in is a hypocrite and there is false because will never make himself a creation man that failed the test of Adam and lead a god to sex and lewdness that will cause hypocrisy that will cause demons to laugh human begins for the one true messiah that will redeem your sins in forgiveness in repentance from which lord Jesus put himself on a cross so we can have are sins forgiven in true repentance in confessing are sins to god. Rev, 20 Destruction of Pagan Nations Kings of Kings Lords of Lords our god Jesus Christ.

I too hate the Anti-Christ and refuse to drink the corn syrup.

[Fahran]

And this is why the Israel situation isn't getting solved.

If the only reason the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict persists is because Jews refuse to dissolve their state and accept a return to the past, then I don't mind if the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict persists. You do not owe other people your death, your subjugation, or your helplessness, especially not when many of those people are still advocating for genocide. Mind you, you're ignoring the complexity of the geopolitical situation, but, yes, fighting for self-determination is absolutely worth it given what came before. Both sides in the conflict believe as much. The main disagreement is about where the boundary should lie.

You're talking about "concessions that lead to permanent peace and security", but the people you would have to convince had their land stolen and have lived under illegal occupation for half a century.

If Palestinians oppose the two-state solution and insist on an Arab state exclusively, to the detriment of all non-Arab ethnic groups, there's not going to be peace. It's as simple as that. But, thankfully, that's still a minority and extremist position.

[Grave_n_idle]

And this is why the Israel situation isn't getting solved.

If the only reason the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict persists is because Jews refuse to dissolve their state and accept a return to the past, then I don't mind if the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict persists. You do not owe other people your death, your subjugation, or your helplessness, especially not when many of those people are still advocating for genocide. Mind you, you're ignoring the complexity of the geopolitical situation, but, yes, fighting for self-determination is absolutely worth it given what came before. Both sides in the conflict believe as much. The main disagreement is about where the boundary should lie.

You're talking about "concessions that lead to permanent peace and security", but the people you would have to convince had their land stolen and have lived under illegal occupation for half a century.

If Palestinians oppose the two-state solution and insist on an Arab state exclusively, to the detriment of all non-Arab ethnic groups, there's not going to be peace. It's as simple as that. But, thankfully, that's still a minority and extremist position.

You admit you're happy with an illegal occupation and the enforced relocation of a displaced people.

I honestly don't care about your opinions. You just haven't earned it.

[Fahran]

You admit you're happy with an illegal occupation

I don't consider Israel's existence to constitute an illegal occupation. If you want to discuss the 1967 borders, which became a Palestinian talking point only after they became defunct due to the Arab states trying to overturn the 1948 borders through violence, that's a conversation we can have. A significant reason that the peace process has halted is because the language in related UN Resolutions didn't spell out a solution and the Palestinians refuse to accept anything aside from the 1967 borders as a starting point for negotiations. They view the numerous wars they've lost as "compromises" from their original vision for Palestine. This is something Mahmoud Abbas has outright said as well.

Israel, on the other hand, will outright refuse to return East Jerusalem or somewhere around five percent of the West Bank to Palestine without equal concessions or population/land transfers, since doing otherwise leads to the religious persecution of Jewish pilgrims (which occurred prior to 1967), the ethnic cleansing of Jews from the West Bank (which is de facto a demand of the Palestinians), and several other negative consequences with no compensation - not even war indemnities.

There's not really any practical approach to the process keeping these positions in mind.

and the enforced relocation of a displaced people.

Everyone in this conflict supports the enforced relocation of displaced people. What do you think the removal of the illegal settlements is when we cut through the paperwork, moral platitudes, and legal jargon? The goal of such removals and displacements should serve the peace process though, and allow for fewer removals and displacements in the future.

I honestly don't care about your opinions. You just haven't earned it.

Fair enough. I don't really have any intention of "earning" someone's engagement with an argument, especially not on an internet forum. I don't mean that to be disrespectful or ugly. It's just not something I care to invest a lot of effort into.

[Vassenor]

At the very least Israel needs to pick an ambassador to the UN who knows how to use photoshop.

Because the current one wants us to believe someone in Palestine managed to smuggle a fifty foot tall Nazi flag into the country.