NATION

PASSWORD

Should the State of Israel have a right to exist?

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Neo-Western East Korea
Diplomat
 
Posts: 645
Founded: Jun 15, 2021
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Neo-Western East Korea » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:02 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Neo-Western East Korea wrote:the middle east should be a part of brazil


How? The Middle East and Brazil have nothing in common and are on opposite parts of the world.


nah man they're literally the same country
What the Hell is a Myaku?:
Time system inspired by(copied from- since i'm still in the early stages) Swatch Internet Time.
1 day is 1000 Myaku, 1 Hour is 41.6 Myaku, 1 Myaku is 1.26 minutes. To get the time in Myaku, do (3600(hour) + 60 (minute) + seconds) divided by 86.4

User avatar
New haven america
Post Czar
 
Posts: 44083
Founded: Oct 08, 2012
Left-Leaning College State

Postby New haven america » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:04 pm

A m e n r i a wrote:
Kubra wrote: Wrong: it does exist, but is part of the red sea. Everyone lives underwater.


Are you ready kids?
Aye aye, captain!
I can't hear you!
Aye aye, captain!
Ooooooooooooo

Who lives in a rogue state under the sea?

The only country in the world that considers Israel a rogue state is Turkey, but that doesn't mean much as it considers pretty much all its neighbors to be rogue states. Gee, I wonder why?
Human of the male variety
Will accept TGs
Char/Axis 2024

That's all folks~

User avatar
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum
Minister
 
Posts: 3046
Founded: Sep 24, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:05 pm

Just-An-Illusion wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Our target should be the United World State, but the real problem is the behavior we see as language and culture. The first men of the United World are Regional States such as the European Union.In this regard, the state of Israel should be geographically part of the Republic of the West Asian Union.


I don't know man... A world government would most likely lead to more corruption.
Do you think there will be corruption on the planet where there is a world government working for the happiness of people and the continuation of our lineage and all people who are aware of this ? Why are there borders ? We're all human, don't you think it's ridiculous ?
Sosyal Demokrat Kemalist
Zayıf Agnostik
LGBT Destekçisi
-3.13 -4.77
Türk %76,2 ☾☆
Slav %22,4
Çinli %1

User avatar
Republic Of Ludwigsburg
Diplomat
 
Posts: 863
Founded: Jun 26, 2021
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Republic Of Ludwigsburg » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:06 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Neo-Western East Korea wrote:the middle east should be a part of brazil


How? The Middle East and Brazil have nothing in common and are on opposite parts of the world.

You see my friend, there is something called a "joke". A "joke" is a satirical statement.
Pro: Social Democracy, EU, LGBTQ+ Rights, Labour Party, Ukraine
Anti: Fascism, State Capitalism, Stalinism, Tankies supporting Russia, Nazism
bumbling fool
Politiscales: this
South German Times: Friedrich Schonbrunn diagnosed with Stage 1 Head and Neck Cancer, Gottfried Hallemark to immediately succeed. GDR President Alfred Wolff in grave controversy after calling rival candidate Jakob Silberstein a "schwein" during debate. Joe Biden to host NATO meeting in New York regarding aid to Ukraine. Alpine mountaineer Valentina Giatte successfully summits Mt. Everest. Former Kanzler Johan Schauff to create new hot beverage company, "Schauffee". SPECIAL: The Curious Case of James Friedenwahl: To find out more, log on to timessgermany.eu

User avatar
Willtechia
Secretary
 
Posts: 30
Founded: Jun 08, 2017
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Willtechia » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:08 pm

In my opinion, the Israelis should get the majority jewish areas, and the Palestinians get the Musilm areas. Jerusalem can be a free city.
Willtechia is a tier 8, level 1 (Using tech, not magic), type 7 nation, with a power level of 7, according to Excidium Planetis's scale.
Technology level: 2060-2070.

This nation reflects my personal views. (Accidental policies: No Prisons)

Pro: Democratic Socialism, America, NATO, Space Colonization, Palestine, Israel (Yes, both of them), the EU, an EU-like system covering the globe, Globalism, Self-Determination, Kurdistan, Armenia, AI, Equality, Abortion
Anti: Conservatism, Any Non-Democratic Government System, Capitalism, Nationalism, Russia, China, North Korea (etc), Turkey, Hungary, God's Existance

User avatar
Great Algerstonia
Minister
 
Posts: 2617
Founded: Mar 21, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Great Algerstonia » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:08 pm

Neo-Western East Korea wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
How? The Middle East and Brazil have nothing in common and are on opposite parts of the world.


nah man they're literally the same country

You're thinking of Bolivia
Anti: Russia
Pro: Prussia
Resilient Acceleration wrote:After a period of letting this discussion run its course without my involvement due to sheer laziness and a new related NS project, I have returned with an answer and that answer is Israel.

User avatar
Postauthoritarian America
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1195
Founded: Nov 07, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Postauthoritarian America » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:09 pm

Diahon wrote:
Koletsia wrote:
This logic would literally give any peoples a right to claim land that they historically lived in regardless of how they got there and regardless of how far distant in time it was.

Would you feel better if the people who decided to go to Palestine instead decamped in Kenya? Or settled in Madagascar? Or chose Seward in Alaska?

Point is, they are refugees; Palestine was just the piece of land with the strongest emotional attachment at the time, things being what they were (six million dead, continental Europe a smoldering ruin, sHitler brained and roasted...).


Raises the issue of whether the US (inter alia) should have recognized the State of Israel. I lean towards no. But today it's an established fact so.
"The violence of American law enforcement degrades the lives of countless people, especially poor Black people, through its peculiar appetite for their death." | "There are but two parties now: traitors and patriots. And I want hereafter to be ranked with the latter and, I trust, the stronger party." -- Ulysses S. Grant, 1861 | "You don't get mulligans in insurrection." | "Today's Republican Party is America's and the world's largest white supremacist organization." | "I didn't vote to overturn an election, and I will not be lectured by people who did about partisanship." -- Rep. Gerry Connolly |"Republicans...have transformed...to a fascist party engaged in a takeover of the United States of America."

User avatar
Just-An-Illusion
Diplomat
 
Posts: 595
Founded: Apr 27, 2021
Ex-Nation

Postby Just-An-Illusion » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:09 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Just-An-Illusion wrote:
I don't know man... A world government would most likely lead to more corruption.
Do you think there will be corruption on the planet where there is a world government working for the happiness of people and the continuation of our lineage and all people who are aware of this ? Why are there borders ? We're all human, don't you think it's ridiculous ?


Having a world government is literally impossible and it will never happen... But keep dreaming, I guess.
Last edited by Just-An-Illusion on Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:10 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Aeritai's new official NSG, Arts & Fiction, and F7 account.
You can just call me Illusion or Aeri either name works fine with me! I am a new person now and I look forward to experincing this new life.

If you're ever feeling down, just remember someone cares for you! ^_^

The Official Queen Of All Tomboys
She/her

User avatar
Neo-Western East Korea
Diplomat
 
Posts: 645
Founded: Jun 15, 2021
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Neo-Western East Korea » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:09 pm

Brazil, Bolivia, when are we combining all nations with B-names into one super-state to make things easier?
What the Hell is a Myaku?:
Time system inspired by(copied from- since i'm still in the early stages) Swatch Internet Time.
1 day is 1000 Myaku, 1 Hour is 41.6 Myaku, 1 Myaku is 1.26 minutes. To get the time in Myaku, do (3600(hour) + 60 (minute) + seconds) divided by 86.4

User avatar
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum
Minister
 
Posts: 3046
Founded: Sep 24, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:10 pm

New haven america wrote:
A m e n r i a wrote:
Are you ready kids?
Aye aye, captain!
I can't hear you!
Aye aye, captain!
Ooooooooooooo

Who lives in a rogue state under the sea?

The only country in the world that considers Israel a rogue state is Turkey, but that doesn't mean much as it considers pretty much all its neighbors to be rogue states. Gee, I wonder why?
You should read more books. Nobody sees Israel as a rogue state.States with reciprocal embassies do not see each other as bandits. but we know very well the name of the state that we and the whole world do not trust the most.
Sosyal Demokrat Kemalist
Zayıf Agnostik
LGBT Destekçisi
-3.13 -4.77
Türk %76,2 ☾☆
Slav %22,4
Çinli %1

User avatar
New haven america
Post Czar
 
Posts: 44083
Founded: Oct 08, 2012
Left-Leaning College State

Postby New haven america » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:11 pm

Just-An-Illusion wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Do you think there will be corruption on the planet where there is a world government working for the happiness of people and the continuation of our lineage and all people who are aware of this ? Why are there borders ? We're all human, don't you think it's ridiculous ?


Having a world government is literally impossible and will never happen... But keep dreaming, I guess.

Well no, it's not.

It's actually becoming more feasible as technology advances. Also, Earth is actually really tiny, did you know 100 Earths can fit inside Jupiter for example, and Jupiter's not even the biggest planet to ever exist.
Human of the male variety
Will accept TGs
Char/Axis 2024

That's all folks~

User avatar
Koletsia
Attaché
 
Posts: 99
Founded: May 24, 2021
Ex-Nation

Postby Koletsia » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:12 pm

Willtechia wrote:In my opinion, the Israelis should get the majority jewish areas, and the Palestinians get the Musilm areas. Jerusalem can be a free city.


They have continued to expand the "Jewish areas" since the founding of the State of Israel and in the process "evicting" the indigenous inhabitants and present no sign that they will stop doing so. How do you define these Jewish areas?

User avatar
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum
Minister
 
Posts: 3046
Founded: Sep 24, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:22 pm

New haven america wrote:
Just-An-Illusion wrote:
Having a world government is literally impossible and will never happen... But keep dreaming, I guess.

Well no, it's not.

It's actually becoming more feasible as technology advances. Also, Earth is actually really tiny, did you know 100 Earths can fit inside Jupiter for example, and Jupiter's not even the biggest planet to ever exist.
First of all, let's establish the North American Union Republic in the European Union Style as the first step to the unified world. You have a lot to learn from the European Union or the Roman Union. Because of its location, I'm sure you can establish a union state between Israel and other Arab republics in a European style, but you cannot explain it to the ego of American Nationalism.
Image


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier
Sosyal Demokrat Kemalist
Zayıf Agnostik
LGBT Destekçisi
-3.13 -4.77
Türk %76,2 ☾☆
Slav %22,4
Çinli %1

User avatar
Sungoldy-China
Diplomat
 
Posts: 538
Founded: Aug 15, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Sungoldy-China » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:30 pm

Only war can determine whether a country should exist,
As long as Israel can win the war ,it will continue to exist
every religious idea and every idea of God is unutterable vileness ... of the most dangerous kind, 'contagion' of the most abominable kind
"every religious idea and every idea of God is unutterable vileness ... of the most dangerous kind, 'contagion' of the most abominable kind. Millions of sins, filthy deeds, acts of violence and physical contagions ... are far less dangerous than the subtle, spiritual idea of God decked out in the smartest ideological costumes ..."

User avatar
Diarcesia
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6783
Founded: Aug 21, 2016
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Diarcesia » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:32 pm

Koletsia wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:Yes. Especially if it comes to the point that it is the only place Jews (and others as well) can freely practice their religion.


Why should the Jewish people get their own state exclusive of multiculturalism where they can be themselves but not the English or the French or the Germans, for example?

Hmm my personal take is that theirs is a special case because they were a prime target of the Holocaust. Note that I see this as the right for the 'concept' of Israel to exist. Not necessarily that it has to be located in the Holy Land.

User avatar
New haven america
Post Czar
 
Posts: 44083
Founded: Oct 08, 2012
Left-Leaning College State

Postby New haven america » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:33 pm

Koletsia wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:Yes. Especially if it comes to the point that it is the only place Jews (and others as well) can freely practice their religion.


Why should the Jewish people get their own state exclusive of multiculturalism where they can be themselves but not the English or the French or the Germans, for example?

Israel's actually quite multi-cultural, seeing as how most of the population is Middle Eastern and African. (Also, any Jew is eligible for citizenship, even those that are only genetically)
Human of the male variety
Will accept TGs
Char/Axis 2024

That's all folks~

User avatar
Ifreann
Post Overlord
 
Posts: 163854
Founded: Aug 07, 2005
Iron Fist Socialists

Postby Ifreann » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:34 pm

Odreria wrote:more like isn’t real

Image
He/Him

beating the devil
we never run from the devil
we never summon the devil
we never hide from from the devil
we never

User avatar
Alcala-Cordel
Senator
 
Posts: 4406
Founded: Dec 16, 2019
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Alcala-Cordel » Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:24 pm

Gonna drop the epic take that no state has the right to exist, especially not ones that practice apartheid.
FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA

User avatar
Washington Resistance Army
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 54796
Founded: Aug 08, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:27 pm

Restore Canaan.
Hellenic Polytheist, Socialist

User avatar
Deacarsia
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1380
Founded: May 12, 2019
Right-wing Utopia

Should the Zionist régime have a right to exist?

Postby Deacarsia » Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:30 pm

No, the Zionist régime in Palæstine has no right to exist, nor should it.
Last edited by Deacarsia on Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Visit vaticancatholic.com

Extra Ecclésiam nulla salus

User avatar
Conservative Republic Of Huang
Minister
 
Posts: 2570
Founded: Jul 09, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:34 pm

Agree with Cordel that no state has a right to exist. As for the people, they have a right to be there as much as I do. Which is to say, when your claim is 2000 years old, it doesn't mean much but open borders, so you can live there if you like.
Pro: Direct democracy, e-democracy, parliamentary sovereignty, state secularism, non-violent direct action (striking), police reform, syndicalism, democratic workplace management
Anti: Most types of representative democracy, ultra-nationalism, imperialism, autocratic workplace management, the state

"In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say syndicalism now, syndicalism tomorrow, syndicalism forever."
not conservative or a republic
Transparency

User avatar
Diahon
Senator
 
Posts: 4575
Founded: Apr 01, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Diahon » Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:34 pm

and here come the hot hot takes

User avatar
Immortan Khan
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1847
Founded: Mar 17, 2021
Ex-Nation

Postby Immortan Khan » Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:43 pm

Restore Palestina Secunda, province of the Diocese of the East. Failing that, the Kingdom of Jerusalem but have it begom ordodox.
Orthodoxy and Monarchy

Future cyberpunk villain. EO Christian. Purgatorial universalist. Bronze Age warlord grindset.
Pro: Warlordism, harems, Amazonian horse archers, steppebooism
Anti: You

User avatar
Old Tyrannia
Game Moderator
 
Posts: 16673
Founded: Aug 11, 2009
Father Knows Best State

Postby Old Tyrannia » Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:44 am

Regardless of its many, many flaws, the State of Israel is more or less the only thing standing between the Jewish people who inhabit it and being subjected to a second Holocaust by their Arab neighbours.
"Classicist in literature, royalist in politics, and Anglo-Catholic in religion" (T.S. Eliot). Still, unaccountably, a NationStates Moderator.
"Have I done something for the general interest? Well then, I have had my reward. Let this always be present to thy mind, and never stop doing such good." - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations (Book XI, IV)
⚜ GOD SAVE THE KING

User avatar
Koletsia
Attaché
 
Posts: 99
Founded: May 24, 2021
Ex-Nation

Postby Koletsia » Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:11 am

New haven america wrote:Israel's actually quite multi-cultural, seeing as how most of the population is Middle Eastern and African. (Also, any Jew is eligible for citizenship, even those that are only genetically)


Multi-racial is not the same thing as multi-cultural. Due to history Jews come in a variety of colours but no other ethnicity/religious group can immigrate to Israel except Jews. If people in western countries suggest they desire similar policies for their own countries, that only Christians be allowed to immigrate that they may keep their country majority Christian, for example, they are called neo-nazis and all the rest. Isn't this strange?

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Ancientania, Big Eyed Animation, Emotional Support Crocodile, Ferelith, Free Stalliongrad, General TN, Ifreann, Infected Mushroom, Mergold-Aurlia, Port Carverton, Shearoa, Soul Reapers, The Black Forrest, Thermodolia, Tungstan, Uvolla

Advertisement

Remove ads