Kurmancî as a Minority Language in Turkey

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Should the Kurmanji dialect of Kurdish be recognized as a minority language in primary schools in the Republic of Turkey ? According to 2015 data, the number of Kurdish speakers in Turkey is estimated to be between 7-11%

In my opinion
Yes, because education in first language is the right of every child.However, there are many people who speak Kurdish beyond education in this first language, one cannot ignore them. I think it is against human rights. The issue of education in first language should not be discussed by politics, but by pedagogues and language experts.
1-Turkish language
2-English and an extra foreign language
3-Language spoken at home

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Turkey

[Nilokeras]

No, because Kurds in Turkey deserve national self-determination, not minority status in a fundamentally ethnonationalist Turkish state.

[Kubra]

No, because Kurds in Turkey deserve national self-determination, not minority status in a fundamentally ethnonationalist Turkish state.

ehhhh, even the PKK aren't too gung ho over independence. And this is a good thing, because the turkish left without the kurds basically ceases to exist in any serious sense, which of course explains why the other parties are so hostile to them.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

No, because Kurds in Turkey deserve national self-determination, not minority status in a fundamentally ethnonationalist Turkish state.

ehhhh, even the PKK aren't too gung ho over independence. And this is a good thing, because the turkish left without the kurds basically ceases to exist in any serious sense, which of course explains why the other parties are so hostile to them.

The only thing that terrorist organizations are fond of is killing civilians. PKK is an organization under the control of drug and weapons barons. Being recognized as the first language of education and minority language of the Kurmanji dialect will never work for the pkk organization. because they want an underdeveloped society. Are those who use the PKK terrorist organization as pawns, the only criminals. No, because if you cannot increase the welfare level of a place that is under the responsibility of the state, one of the criminals becomes the state.

[Kubra]

ehhhh, even the PKK aren't too gung ho over independence. And this is a good thing, because the turkish left without the kurds basically ceases to exist in any serious sense, which of course explains why the other parties are so hostile to them.

The only thing that terrorist organizations are fond of is killing civilians. PKK is an organization under the control of drug and weapons barons. Being recognized as the first language of education and minority language of the Kurmanji dialect will never work for the pkk organization. because they want an underdeveloped society.

Let us call this a digression. In any case, recognising kurdish language rights is the first step towards possible recognition of autonomy within a turkish national context, as well as closely binding their electoral base with the coastal bloc. That would be a victory for everyone but the interior conservatives, and whatever you may think of radical kurds surely you must prefer them to the radicals that the interior produces.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

The only thing that terrorist organizations are fond of is killing civilians. PKK is an organization under the control of drug and weapons barons. Being recognized as the first language of education and minority language of the Kurmanji dialect will never work for the pkk organization. because they want an underdeveloped society.

Let us call this a digression. In any case, recognising kurdish language rights is the first step towards possible recognition of autonomy within a turkish national context, as well as closely binding their electoral base with the coastal bloc. That would be a victory for everyone but the interior conservatives, and whatever you may think of radical kurds surely you must prefer them to the radicals that the interior produces.

Based on what you wrote, they will want to establish an autonomous state if the Kurmanji dialect is recognized as a minority language.Are you trying to explain this in your article ? If so, I do not agree with you because language is a society's need, but the state is authorized to provide it. You will see those who want the second Saudi Arabia will be against me anyway. Those who are eager to establish a second Arabia do not think about the rights of Kurds, Turks or every nation living in this geography. Just like the so-called patriots among us

[Kubra]

Let us call this a digression. In any case, recognising kurdish language rights is the first step towards possible recognition of autonomy within a turkish national context, as well as closely binding their electoral base with the coastal bloc. That would be a victory for everyone but the interior conservatives, and whatever you may think of radical kurds surely you must prefer them to the radicals that the interior produces.

Based on what you wrote, they will want to establish an autonomous state if the Kurmanji dialect is recognized as a minority language.Are you trying to explain this in your article ? If so, I do not agree with you because language is a society's need, but the state is authorized to provide it. You will see those who want the second Saudi Arabia will be against me anyway. Those who are eager to establish a second Arabia do not think about the rights of Kurds, Turks or every nation living in this geography. Just like the so-called patriots among us

Well, yes, Autonomous within a *national context*. That is to say, existing within the turkish state. What about this is unacceptable?
It's what's wanted whether or not their linguistic rights are recognised, man. And they won't be against you if recognition of kurdish linguistic rights are what you're putting on the table, man.
And in any case, aren't you in favour of keeping the anatolian interior in check?

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Based on what you wrote, they will want to establish an autonomous state if the Kurmanji dialect is recognized as a minority language.Are you trying to explain this in your article ? If so, I do not agree with you because language is a society's need, but the state is authorized to provide it. You will see those who want the second Saudi Arabia will be against me anyway. Those who are eager to establish a second Arabia do not think about the rights of Kurds, Turks or every nation living in this geography. Just like the so-called patriots among us

Well, yes, Autonomous within a *national context*. That is to say, existing within the turkish state. What about this is unacceptable?
It's what's wanted whether or not their linguistic rights are recognised, man. And they won't be against you if recognition of kurdish linguistic rights are what you're putting on the table, man.
And in any case, aren't you in favour of keeping the anatolian interior in check?

My stance is clear, I defend welfare and order against pkk and similar separatist organizations. Those who persecuted the Kurdish nation for years added oil to the bread of the PKK and similar organizations. For instance, I am questioning why there are no terrorist organizations like this organization in Germany, France and Luxenburg. Turkey has made mistakes in the eastern region so far. the non-recognition of the minority language, for example.Or the investment is always made in places like the Marmara region. A true understanding of the state is that it is inclusive. Those in power are not aware of this. I hope that the minority language will be recognized all over Turkey.

[Kubra]

Well, yes, Autonomous within a *national context*. That is to say, existing within the turkish state. What about this is unacceptable?
It's what's wanted whether or not their linguistic rights are recognised, man. And they won't be against you if recognition of kurdish linguistic rights are what you're putting on the table, man.
And in any case, aren't you in favour of keeping the anatolian interior in check?

My stance is clear, I defend welfare and order against pkk and similar separatist organizations. Those who persecuted the Kurdish nation for years added oil to the bread of the PKK and similar organizations. For instance, I am questioning why there are no terrorist organizations like this organization in Germany, France and Luxenburg. Turkey has made mistakes in the eastern region so far. the non-recognition of the minority language, for example.Or the investment is always made in places like the Marmara region. A true understanding of the state is that it is inclusive. Those in power are not aware of this. I hope that the minority language will be recognized all over Turkey.

Well for one thing the PKK is there in those countries, along with Turkey's other much less palatable radical group.
And apart from that, for the 20th century apart from luxembourg they, you know, did have their own homegrown terrorism. France during the Algerian war had daily bombings in the south, and we may as well call that "homegrown" given the territorial status of Algeria.

[New haven america]

Kurds deserve to have their own country.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Kurds deserve to have their own country.

Then it would be useful to know that the borders of the Republic of Turkey were drawn by war. Turkish lands were taken by war, determined by war. Considering this fact, those who want to divide Turkish lands will have to fight. The rhetoric that "Kurds deserve to have their own country" is a sign that you are terribly pro-war. We do not want to be divided, we want to live freely in this country, we want to rule the country with an inclusive social democratic understanding because this is the truth.

[Kubra]

Kurds deserve to have their own country.

Then it would be useful to know that the borders of the Republic of Turkey were drawn by war. Turkish lands were taken by war, determined by war. Considering this fact, those who want to divide Turkish lands will have to fight. The rhetoric that "Kurds deserve to have their own country" is a sign that you are terribly pro-war. We do not want to be divided, we want to live freely in this country, we want to rule the country with an inclusive social democratic understanding because this is the truth.

The interior doesn't, tho.

[New haven america]

Kurds deserve to have their own country.

Then it would be useful to know that the borders of the Republic of Turkey were drawn by war. Turkish lands were taken by war, determined by war. Considering this fact, those who want to divide Turkish lands will have to fight. The rhetoric that "Kurds deserve to have their own country" is a sign that you are terribly pro-war. We do not want to be divided, we want to live freely in this country, we want to rule the country with an inclusive social democratic understanding because this is the truth.

Well they shoulda gotten their own country during that whole Arab Uprising bit during WWI, but then France and Britain had to fuck it up.

Also, keep in mind that Turkey is built on stolen Eastern Roman lands.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Then it would be useful to know that the borders of the Republic of Turkey were drawn by war. Turkish lands were taken by war, determined by war. Considering this fact, those who want to divide Turkish lands will have to fight. The rhetoric that "Kurds deserve to have their own country" is a sign that you are terribly pro-war. We do not want to be divided, we want to live freely in this country, we want to rule the country with an inclusive social democratic understanding because this is the truth.

Well they shoulda gotten their own country during that whole Arab Uprising bit during WWI, but then France and Britain had to fuck it up.

Also, keep in mind that Turkey is built on stolen Eastern Roman lands.

The successor of the Roman Empire is the Ottoman Empire and the successor of the Ottoman Empire is the Republic of Turkey. Therefore, the continuation of the novel is the Republic of Turkey.Kubra, this is what I'm talking about, there are people who confuse education in the first language and the recognition of the Kurmanji language as a minority language with politics and turn it into war propaganda against the Turkish State. Therefore, politics should be kept out of this issue. The people who will discuss this issue are pedagogues and language experts. Politicians should stay away from this issue.

[New haven america]

Well they shoulda gotten their own country during that whole Arab Uprising bit during WWI, but then France and Britain had to fuck it up.

Also, keep in mind that Turkey is built on stolen Eastern Roman lands.

The successor of the Roman Empire is the Ottoman Empire and the successor of the Ottoman Empire is the Republic of Turkey. Therefore, the continuation of the novel is the Republic of Turkey.Kubra, this is what I'm talking about, there are people who confuse education in the first language and the recognition of the Kurmanji language as a minority language with politics and turn it into war propaganda against the Turkish State. Therefore, politics should be kept out of this issue. The people who will discuss this issue are pedagogues and language experts. Politicians should stay away from this issue.

Bzzt, nope, wrong.

The official successor was The Holy Roman Empire. You know, it's kinda in the name.

[Kubra]

Well they shoulda gotten their own country during that whole Arab Uprising bit during WWI, but then France and Britain had to fuck it up.

Also, keep in mind that Turkey is built on stolen Eastern Roman lands.

The successor of the Roman Empire is the Ottoman Empire and the successor of the Ottoman Empire is the Republic of Turkey. Therefore, the continuation of the novel is the Republic of Turkey.Kubra, this is what I'm talking about, there are people who confuse education in the first language and the recognition of the Kurmanji language as a minority language with politics and turn it into war propaganda against the Turkish State. Therefore, politics should be kept out of this issue. The people who will discuss this issue are pedagogues and language experts. Politicians should stay away from this issue.

But it's an intimately political issue, and it's not as if I have been evading politics here. And it's worrying that you'd look for legitimacy in Turkey in its succession of the ottoman empire, when one of the appealing things of the quickly eroding turkish secularism is its rejection of everything ottoman. That part is great, don't you agree?
As I have said, it's worth it to throw the kurds some bones because the heartland is a big ol' voting bloc that isn't too keen on the secularism and social democracy stuff you like, while the kurds generally are. I mean hey, you can tell a lot about folks by the insurgents they tend to produce.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

The successor of the Roman Empire is the Ottoman Empire and the successor of the Ottoman Empire is the Republic of Turkey. Therefore, the continuation of the novel is the Republic of Turkey.Kubra, this is what I'm talking about, there are people who confuse education in the first language and the recognition of the Kurmanji language as a minority language with politics and turn it into war propaganda against the Turkish State. Therefore, politics should be kept out of this issue. The people who will discuss this issue are pedagogues and language experts. Politicians should stay away from this issue.

But it's an intimately political issue, and it's not as if I have been evading politics here. And it's worrying that you'd look for legitimacy in Turkey in its succession of the ottoman empire, when one of the appealing things of the quickly eroding turkish secularism is its rejection of everything ottoman. That part is great, don't you agree?
As I have said, it's worth it to throw the kurds some bones because the heartland is a big ol' voting bloc that isn't too keen on the secularism and social democracy stuff you like, while the kurds generally are. I mean hey, you can tell a lot about folks by the insurgents they tend to produce.

We don't reject our history, we learn from it. but it is really wrong to mix this issue with politics and it will not benefit anyone. In the examples I have given below, there is a mixture of first language education and minority language rights with politics.Politicians don't think about people, according to them borders and the money they put in their pockets are important, do you understand what I mean ?

1-Turkish Radical Nationalists: They want to divide my country, you will only speak Turkish, it is forbidden to speak Kurdish !
2-Kurd Radical Nationalists: No matter your laws, I'll take drugs and kill any civilian who opposes me.
3-Politicians who use this issue as a weapon for their own interests: You are killing Kurds, I know you are Nazis, Turks are barbarians, so we must divide your country.

[Kubra]

But it's an intimately political issue, and it's not as if I have been evading politics here. And it's worrying that you'd look for legitimacy in Turkey in its succession of the ottoman empire, when one of the appealing things of the quickly eroding turkish secularism is its rejection of everything ottoman. That part is great, don't you agree?
As I have said, it's worth it to throw the kurds some bones because the heartland is a big ol' voting bloc that isn't too keen on the secularism and social democracy stuff you like, while the kurds generally are. I mean hey, you can tell a lot about folks by the insurgents they tend to produce.

We don't reject our history, we learn from it. but it is really wrong to mix this issue with politics and it will not benefit anyone. In the examples I have given below, there is a mixture of first language education and minority language rights with politics.Politicians don't think about people, according to them borders and the money they put in their pockets are important, do you understand what I mean ?

1-Turkish Radical Nationalists: They want to divide my country, you will only speak Turkish, it is forbidden to speak Kurdish !
2-Kurd Radical Nationalists: No matter your laws, I'll take drugs and kill any civilian who opposes me.
3-Politicians who use this issue as a weapon for their own interests: You are killing Kurds, I know you are Nazis, Turks are barbarians, so we must divide your country.

Nah, it's rejection, beautiful rejection. If only alcohol were not so hard on the body, Ataturk deserved at least a couple more bottles of raki. Not terribly fond of the stuff myself, anise being quite an acquired taste, but still.
You seem to be using kids gloves in your description of the turkish radicals compared to the kurdish ones, man.

[Immortan Khan]

Bzzt, nope, wrong.

The official successor was The Holy Roman Empire. You know, it's kinda in the name.

*thinking*

[Washington Resistance Army]

The successor of the Roman Empire is the Ottoman Empire and the successor of the Ottoman Empire is the Republic of Turkey. Therefore, the continuation of the novel is the Republic of Turkey.Kubra, this is what I'm talking about, there are people who confuse education in the first language and the recognition of the Kurmanji language as a minority language with politics and turn it into war propaganda against the Turkish State. Therefore, politics should be kept out of this issue. The people who will discuss this issue are pedagogues and language experts. Politicians should stay away from this issue.

Bzzt, nope, wrong.

The official successor was The Holy Roman Empire. You know, it's kinda in the name.

Just no, there was no link between the Roman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire at all, the western senate sent the imperial regalia to the east and declared Rome needed only a single ruler once more after Nepos died and Augustulus was deposed. The HRE was political posturing from the Vatican but it had no actual links to the empire of old.

[Wormfodder Delivery]

Holy Roman Empire best Roman empire.
Even better than the original one.

[Baltenstein]

Holy Roman Empire = lousy fanfiction, made up by a boisterous fanboy and a grumpy minor author who didn't like where the original canon was going

[Baltenstein]

Holy Roman Empire best Roman empire.
Even better than the original one.

*Insert obligatory Voltaire quote here*

[Michel Meilleur]

Then it would be useful to know that the borders of the Republic of Turkey were drawn by war. Turkish lands were taken by war, determined by war. Considering this fact, those who want to divide Turkish lands will have to fight. The rhetoric that "Kurds deserve to have their own country" is a sign that you are terribly pro-war. We do not want to be divided, we want to live freely in this country, we want to rule the country with an inclusive social democratic understanding because this is the truth.

Well they shoulda gotten their own country during that whole Arab Uprising bit during WWI, but then France and Britain had to fuck it up.

Also, keep in mind that Turkey is built on stolen Eastern Roman lands.

You really wanted to give a brand new country as a reward to peoples who were still coated with the blood of the Armenians and Assyrians they were just done genociding?

[Wormfodder Delivery]

Holy Roman Empire best Roman empire.
Even better than the original one.

*Insert obligatory Voltaire quote here*

Note, that quote was about the late HRE, which still was in a better state than the late Roman empire