China bans gamers from making moral decisions, femboys, etc

[Ispravlennaja Tsekovija]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=39101239#p39101239

"Misinformation against PRC" is not a rule.

so you admit you are spreading misinformation

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

"Misinformation against PRC" is not a rule.

so you admit you are spreading misinformation

Lmfao. Is this the forsaken standard of "debate" these days?

[Necroghastia]

ah yes, because banning depictions of queer people in media is totally in peoples' best interests

Do you think depicting them in a way that makes most people disgusted is a way for them to become accepted? China is a conservative country in many ways - so is most of the world.

yes, actually - challenging norms is how things become accepted throughout history

[Necroghastia]

Reading is more important than spending time on childish activities such as gaming.

newsflash bucko
most games require you to read and there's quite a few that are as dense as books themselves.

[Aggicificicerous]

1) How many billionaires does China need to kill, how many corrupt sectors of the economy must be legislated out of existence, and how many new regulations and nationalizations need to be made before you understand that China is socialist? 996 is illegal and always has been - the government has been enforcing labor rules more, not less! Billionaires also aren't in the "inner circle" of the CPC, absolutely none of the CPC's leadership are capitalists and only a fraction of China's entire government are even adjacent to capitalists of any sort. Right now you have the western media throwing anti-china propaganda to the wall to see what sticks, China almost single-handedly undermining the American empire through the belt and road, and the US struggling to figure out alliances and put itself together to keep its empire.

1. How many billionaires has China created? Let's see. As per Forbes in March 2021, there are 698 billionaires in China. Check this list of billionaires twenty years ago. How many are from China? How many billionaires do you think there were in China thirty years ago? Forty?

2. 9/9/6 is illegal. Of course it is, and your insistence on rules and regulations only further shows how little you understand about the country. Rules are enforced at the discretion of the government. 9/9/6 is widespread, or do you think there was a mass outcry in China over something that isn't done? I bet you also think bribery of government officials never happens, because bribery is illegal.

3. China's entire government is massive and can't be generalized so easily. The upper echelons, however, are all rich. So are many of the lower echelons. You think they're sending their kids to the west and buying them sports cars on a government salary? You think Wen Jiabao became a billionaire by working hard and being a great premier? But absolutely none of the party's leaderships is capitalist. Right. They only preside over a system which encourages capitalism. You know what Chinese businessmen would tell me about working in China? It's great. It's more free than the west when it comes to making money, just don't say something stupid and piss of the government.

2) I don't think that second person was being serious with you. China also didn't make being gay illegal or something - it just made putting dumb shit on TV and capitalist culture illegal which is based beyond belief.

I don't know what this is about. Did you mean to respond to someone else?

[Orostan]

Do you think depicting them in a way that makes most people disgusted is a way for them to become accepted? China is a conservative country in many ways - so is most of the world.

yes, actually - challenging norms is how things become accepted throughout history

Not in this case, "challenging norms" is more likely to make people think that all LGBTs are disgusting. The way LGBT people are to be made acceptable is to portray them as normal human beings who are just like anyone else for the most part.

[Necroghastia]

yes, actually - challenging norms is how things become accepted throughout history

Not in this case, "challenging norms" is more likely to make people think that all LGBTs are disgusting. The way LGBT people are to be made acceptable is to portray them as normal human beings who are just like anyone else for the most part.

alright cool
how the fuck are you gonna do that when you cannot portray them at all lmao

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

And I thank Holy Jahweh that we do not live in the same Catholic nunnery as some other people here.

[Orostan]

1) How many billionaires does China need to kill, how many corrupt sectors of the economy must be legislated out of existence, and how many new regulations and nationalizations need to be made before you understand that China is socialist? 996 is illegal and always has been - the government has been enforcing labor rules more, not less! Billionaires also aren't in the "inner circle" of the CPC, absolutely none of the CPC's leadership are capitalists and only a fraction of China's entire government are even adjacent to capitalists of any sort. Right now you have the western media throwing anti-china propaganda to the wall to see what sticks, China almost single-handedly undermining the American empire through the belt and road, and the US struggling to figure out alliances and put itself together to keep its empire.

1. How many billionaires has China created? Let's see. As per Forbes in March 2021, there are 698 billionaires in China. Check this list of billionaires twenty years ago. How many are from China? How many billionaires do you think there were in China thirty years ago? Forty?

2. 9/9/6 is illegal. Of course it is, and your insistence on rules and regulations only further shows how little you understand about the country. Rules are enforced at the discretion of the government. 9/9/6 is widespread, or do you think there was a mass outcry in China over something that isn't done? I bet you also think bribery of government officials never happens, because bribery is illegal.

3. China's entire government is massive and can't be generalized so easily. The upper echelons, however, are all rich. So are many of the lower echelons. You think they're sending their kids to the west and buying them sports cars on a government salary? You think Wen Jiabao became a billionaire by working hard and being a great premier? But absolutely none of the party's leaderships is capitalist. Right. They only preside over a system which encourages capitalism. You know what Chinese businessmen would tell me about working in China? It's great. It's more free than the west when it comes to making money, just don't say something stupid and piss of the government.

2) I don't think that second person was being serious with you. China also didn't make being gay illegal or something - it just made putting dumb shit on TV and capitalist culture illegal which is based beyond belief.

I don't know what this is about. Did you mean to respond to someone else?

1. "... In response, a Chinese government spokesman stated that the report "blackens China's name and has ulterior motives", and the websites of The New York Times were censored in mainland China.[57] Lawyers representing Wen's family also denied the report's content.[58] Wen personally wrote a letter submitted to the Politburo Standing Committee asking for an investigation to the claim and willing to make his family assets public. Professor Zhu Lijia, of the Chinese Academy of Governance, suggest that this is Wen's last try to push the passing of the "Sunshine law", which would require government officials to release their financial information to the public.[59] Professor Jean-Pierre Cabestan of Hong Kong's Baptist University questioned the timing of the report and suggested "It looks very much [like] some people close to Bo Xilai are trying to throw mud at the reformists".[60]"

Even CIA moderated wikipedia is more neutral than you are on this.

I don't care about how many billionaires China has anyways, my concern is if there is political control over them. If China can dissapear Jack Ma for a while they can do whatever they want to those people and that's a good thing.

2. As we speak China is in a campaign of enforcement of labor regulations. 996 has always illegal and is now being prosecuted and attacked more than it has been before. China has very real problems with this - but their government is actually doing something about it!

3. Rich how? How many industries does Xi own? How many does the politburo own? None. A Chinese businessman would actually tell you that the government regulates everything and that the moment a political line is stepped over he loses everything. He can make money sure, but only within the lines the state draws. Profits are not in command in China's economy.

4. yeah probably

Not in this case, "challenging norms" is more likely to make people think that all LGBTs are disgusting. The way LGBT people are to be made acceptable is to portray them as normal human beings who are just like anyone else for the most part.

alright cool
how the fuck are you gonna do that when you cannot portray them at all lmao

You still can portray gay people. There is no law against that - but there was a government regulator that told game developers to be careful with how they do it. The concern is not that LGBT people exist, the concern is that stuff like south korean K-pop and western woke nonsense will infect the youth.

[Necroghastia]

alright cool
how the fuck are you gonna do that when you cannot portray them at all lmao

You still can portray gay people. There is no law against that - but there was a government regulator that told game developers to be careful with how they do it. The concern is not that LGBT people exist, the concern is that stuff like south korean K-pop and western woke nonsense will infect the youth.

what precisely are the regulations you read?
for reference, some excerpts from the OP:

Games that feature queer relationships or “effeminate males”, the memo states, should not be approved for release in China.

Broadcasters must “resolutely put an end to sissy men and other abnormal esthetics,” the National Radio and TV Administration said, using an insulting slang term for effeminate men — “niang pao,” or literally, “girlie guns.”

Authorities also urged the companies to “resolutely resist unhealthy cultures” including worship of money and”boys’ love“—a popular literary genre in China that depicts the romantic relationships between males

also why should that be a thing that has to be regulated to begin with
let people make art, ffs

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

literally trying to destroy Chinese culture because the CPC nomenklatura have more in common with Late Ming eunuchs than with reasonable people.

Then again taking a proverbial thermonuclear bomb to Chinese culture is something Maoists are famous for lol.

[New haven america]

literally trying to destroy Chinese culture because the CPC nomenklatura have more in common with Late Ming eunuchs than with reasonable people.

Then again taking a proverbial thermonuclear bomb to Chinese culture is something Maoists are famous for lol.

I do question what people get out of defending the PRC, because most stuff China does or gets involved in usually results in a net negative.

[Aggicificicerous]

1. "... In response, a Chinese government spokesman stated that the report "blackens China's name and has ulterior motives", and the websites of The New York Times were censored in mainland China.[57] Lawyers representing Wen's family also denied the report's content.[58] Wen personally wrote a letter submitted to the Politburo Standing Committee asking for an investigation to the claim and willing to make his family assets public. Professor Zhu Lijia, of the Chinese Academy of Governance, suggest that this is Wen's last try to push the passing of the "Sunshine law", which would require government officials to release their financial information to the public.[59] Professor Jean-Pierre Cabestan of Hong Kong's Baptist University questioned the timing of the report and suggested "It looks very much [like] some people close to Bo Xilai are trying to throw mud at the reformists".[60]"

Even CIA moderated wikipedia is more neutral than you are on this.

Oh, the Chinese government released an official statement denying it. Nevermind then.

If you want an example of hatchet jobs, look at what the NYT did to Venezuela. For the one on Wen Jiabao? They looked at publicly available records. Feel free to disprove them.

I don't care about how many billionaires China has anyways, my concern is if there is political control over them. If China can dissapear Jack Ma for a while they can do whatever they want to those people and that's a good thing.

You're trying to tell me China is a socialist country, but you don't care how many billionaires it has. Sure. Guys like Jack Ma don't get disappeared or executed for, you know, cheating and exploiting. They get in trouble for criticizing the government. A very socialist attitude you have.

2. As we speak China is in a campaign of enforcement of labor regulations. 996 has always illegal and is now being prosecuted and attacked more than it has been before. China has very real problems with this - but their government is actually doing something about it!

Uh huh. And you know this because the Chinese government said so? You sound like all those liberals tearing up when Biden said he 'believes in science'.

3. Rich how? How many industries does Xi own? How many does the politburo own? None. A Chinese businessman would actually tell you that the government regulates everything and that the moment a political line is stepped over he loses everything. He can make money sure, but only within the lines the state draws. Profits are not in command in China's economy.

If you want some indication of Xi Jinping's wealth, you only have to Google it. And hey, I guess those businessmen I spoke to weren't real Chinese. Maybe they were CIA plants living in China and running businesses all for the nefarious purpose of leading me astray. Or maybe they understand Chinese regulations in a way you don't. Officially, China runs a very tight ship. Unofficially, regulations are enforced mostly to save government face when things go too far.

You still can portray gay people. There is no law against that - but there was a government regulator that told game developers to be careful with how they do it. The concern is not that LGBT people exist, the concern is that stuff like south korean K-pop and western woke nonsense will infect the youth.

The idea is to paint homosexuality, femboys, anything that doesn't meet Xi Jinping's standard, as being a result of foreign influence. But all these things predate foreign influences. It's transparent to anyone who reads beyond government press releases.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

government press releases.

Speaking of those... some 30 years after the event "People's Daily" comes out to say "yeah y'all remember that time an entire province got submerged underwater because we fucked up? Yeah that actually happened gaiz. We're so sowwy."
Prior to that you got damnatio memoriae for even daring to mention that event lol.

[Aggicificicerous]

government press releases.

Speaking of those... some 30 years after the event "People's Daily" comes out to say "yeah y'all remember that time an entire province got submerged underwater because we fucked up? Yeah that actually happened gaiz. We're so sowwy."
Prior to that you got damnatio memoriae for even daring to mention that event lol.

That was in 2005 when it looked like China might be opening up. No chance of it today. Xi's crackdowns on speech and news have been brutal.

[Picairn]

Reading is more important than spending time on childish activities such as gaming.

I challenge you to play a text-based game like Choice of Games or Twine and then report the results.

[New haven america]

Reading is more important than spending time on childish activities such as gaming.

I challenge you to play a text-based game like Choice of Games or Twine and then report the results.

They can't, the CCP banned moral choices in games.

[Picairn]

China is the most rabidly capitalist country I've ever been to, and it boggles my mind to see all the self-proclaimed communists desperately defending it. Just a perfect way to show they have no idea what they're talking about. Yeah, the country where people work themselves to exhaustion daily in an effort to get ahead, where 9/9/6 is a fucking thing, where billionaires not only exist but are all in the inner circle of the communist party is the world's last bastion of socialism. Right. That's the country that's standing up to the west, not cooperating with it to rake in profits for its ruling class.

Socialism with Reaganomic characteristics.

Xi on social protection: "Even if our level of development is higher in the future and finances are more abundant, we cannot set too high a goal and have excessive guarantees. We must resolutely guard against falling into the trap of supporting lazy people through 'welfarism.'"

[The Alma Mater]

Reading is more important than spending time on childish activities such as gaming.

So why are you posting on the forum of a nation simulation game instead of reading ?

[The Alma Mater]

yes, actually - challenging norms is how things become accepted throughout history

Not in this case, "challenging norms" is more likely to make people think that all LGBTs are disgusting. The way LGBT people are to be made acceptable is to portray them as normal human beings who are just like anyone else for the most part.

I actually agree. To use the Netherlands as an example: gay acceptance was greatly helped by the presenter Jos Brink and the comedian Andre van Duin. Who made people laugh, cry etc - and also happened to be gay. They were indeed seen as people; and as people one should cherish.

Pretty hard to yell "all gays are vile and must be killed" if half the country loves several.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

China is the most rabidly capitalist country I've ever been to, and it boggles my mind to see all the self-proclaimed communists desperately defending it. Just a perfect way to show they have no idea what they're talking about. Yeah, the country where people work themselves to exhaustion daily in an effort to get ahead, where 9/9/6 is a fucking thing, where billionaires not only exist but are all in the inner circle of the communist party is the world's last bastion of socialism. Right. That's the country that's standing up to the west, not cooperating with it to rake in profits for its ruling class.

Socialism with Reaganomic characteristics.

Xi on social protection: "Even if our level of development is higher in the future and finances are more abundant, we cannot set too high a goal and have excessive guarantees. We must resolutely guard against falling into the trap of supporting lazy people through 'welfarism.'"

I know I should not be surprised but I'm fucking surprised lmao.

[Suriyanakhon]

Socialism with Reaganomic characteristics.

I know I should not be surprised but I'm fucking surprised lmao.

Mao really did make a mistake letting his father live tbh.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

it's real. oh laird.
Edit: Oh and here's a fun one:

“Apart from a small portion of traffic victims, most of the organs from cadavers are from executed prisoners,” Huang said Tuesday, according to a report Thursday in the English-language China Daily newspaper.

“The current big shortfall of organ donations can’t meet demand,” Huang said.

A bureaucracy staffed to the brim with y'all know fucking whats.

[Cosmic79]

But China has fucking billionaires. The fastest growing number of billionaires, in fact. At the rate they're going, Chinese billionaires will soon outnumber all the rest of the world's billionaires combined. They have billionaires while workers literally die scraping by in factories with suicide nets. There is never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever a justification for putting suicide nets on your factory, because places that aren't evil incarnate don't need suicide nets.

China is the most rabidly capitalist country I've ever been to, and it boggles my mind to see all the self-proclaimed communists desperately defending it. Just a perfect way to show they have no idea what they're talking about. Yeah, the country where people work themselves to exhaustion daily in an effort to get ahead, where 9/9/6 is a fucking thing, where billionaires not only exist but are all in the inner circle of the communist party is the world's last bastion of socialism. Right. That's the country that's standing up to the west, not cooperating with it to rake in profits for its ruling class.

No joke, I actually had a couple of Dengists tell me that China was "more lgbtq+ friendly than the US". I asked them about the femboy ban, one said it's "CIA/Falung Gong fake news" the other defended the ban because "femboys are all fascists anyways". I have no clue how to reason with these people, ugh...

A couple years ago in China there was a case where a woman was given ten years in prison for writing gay erotica. A lot of public outcry against it, even some legal experts weighing in to say the law was outdated and needed to change. It's not going to change under Xi. It's only going to get worse.

It has more to do with ideology than actual economic policies. By pretending to be socialist they have already convinced many pseudo-intellectual tools in the west that China is some benevolent polar opposite of the "ebul capitalizm" and therefore that it must be defended. Many in the west spread their propaganda for free.

To be fair, China has kept the social and political elements of communism. Strict micro-management of people's lives, excessive surveillance, police state, concentration camps, genocide of minorities, no democracy, 1 party rule, dictator ruling for life etc. They have abolished the economic portion of socialism so their economy can stop being destitute, but otherwise they aren't very different from what the USSR or East Germany was.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

it's real. oh laird.
Edit: Oh and here's a fun one:

“Apart from a small portion of traffic victims, most of the organs from cadavers are from executed prisoners,” Huang said Tuesday, according to a report Thursday in the English-language China Daily newspaper.

“The current big shortfall of organ donations can’t meet demand,” Huang said.

A bureaucracy staffed to the brim with y'all know fucking whats.

And with that ladies and gentlemen I think we should recategorise PRC from an Unrechtstaat to a Verbrecherstaat. A regime who's every government function has been fully seized by a mob of gangsters and criminals.