China bans gamers from making moral decisions, femboys, etc

[Gonswanza]

And here we were thinking that China was going to become the new world superpower.

They will try by war. Watch.

Banning femboys=Promote male soldiers as the only masculinity
Banning video games=nothing to stop CCP Propaganda and military training
Banning idols=CCP are their only idols
Banning crypto=CCP E-currency is money, now money itself is linked to social credit score
New policy to have more kids=More soldiers for the Middle Kingdom

Germany did something analogous to this prior to WWII, so did Italy. Hell, Mussolini banned pasta (look it up) and Hitler banned many types of music!

PS Are you Marshal Tito? Do you like Yugoslav War Music?

Indeed. Pair that to a weakened Russia (given the relative, albeit likely mild in some regard decline in the Russian military since the collapse of the Soviet Union) and China's growing ambitions for the Pacific you have a perfect storm brewing. Granted, they won't jump at the Pacific... But they may try to take a stab at Afghanistan if they are feeling frisky, or even India. Or Russia if they feel extra masochistic and ambitious.

[Port Caverton]

I looked up this character you mention, Klee. It is horrifying! She wears such a skimpy outfit. What kind of people do you think this is supposed to attract?!

She ain't real bro

[Bez Imeni]

I don't think you know what is communism, if you think that consumerism, worship of idols, sexual fetishism are communist ideals.

You seem to labouring under the assumption that communism entails the maximisation of production and a culture of asceticism to enable this productivist model. Nothing could be further from the truth. Communism in fact entails a reduction of labour and production, and the expansion of free time to enable leisure and the full development of people. The nature of leisure in communism will of course be different to that under capitalism, but that does not mean that it will not exist. I must also point out that consumerism is the necessary partner of the productivist model you seem to be fond of. If you drive up production, consumption must rise to meet it.

Certainly the ultimate goal is not to overwork citizens like in Capitalism, but that does not mean people in the society should be able to sit around on their ass all day playing video games and entertaining themselves with cross-dressing, because we want a functional society, not a dysfunctional society. Performing quality work for a portion of each weekday should be expected of any able bodied citizen (and having ADHD or stress disorder is still able bodied). Even in free time, we should expect people to engage in pastimes that are good for them. In my free time, I try to be creative, I hike and dive. These are good for health or produce things other people can use. Spending all your free time playing video games and indulging in sexual fetishes is not good for you or for the people around you.

[Gonswanza]

Hold up. Did you honestly just call North Korea "a good model?"
I never thought I would ever see someone unironically standing up for that kind of evil, yet, here we are.
Oh, by all means, tell me how this "good model" justifies starving millions since its greedy leader hoards all food for his family and army. Attempt to justify the inhuman and sexist treatment of North Korean women who are treated as domestic slaves by the men of North Korea. Women cannot even sit at the same dinner table as men in DPRK! How the hell can you justify imprisoning entire families for merely saying they disagree with their government? I love a good NK joke and used to use the DPRK flag for Greater Liyue since I routinely parodied them (the KPOP ban and E-girl ban were never meant to be taken seriously). But dude...simping for a government that is arguably the most oppressive in the world, one where citizens cannot freely move within the borders of the DPRK (i.e. you cannot drive from Pyongyang to Wonsan without travel permits). You need to go home and rethink your life and morality.

I am gonna go out on a limb and guess you live somewhere in the West. Where you are legally allowed to say this kind of evil drivel. Maybe you oughta take a trip to Pyongyang and see the DPRK yourself. You won't find many people outside of NK who know more about NK than me. Ask a Cuban, ask a Romanian, ask a Russian, ask a Cambodian. Ask them what Communism did to their countries. Go on.

And as for Genshin, I have many more coping mechanisms. I am Buddhist and Buddhism was the biggest help for me during that time. Exercise helped a lot too. Moving back to the same state with my parents did as well. You shouldn't dismiss Genshin until you have tried it. It's fun and more wholesome than you think. No sexual content allowed, the game always ends on a positive note after any dark chapters, and it makes references to real culture. Most characters aren't children anyway. Most of them are college-age or in their 20s. Maybe all you know is Klee, who is a child? Klee is actually very strong and carries explosives. Maybe you oughta put the Little Red Book or Communist Manifesto down and - dare I say it - go touch grass or go kill Hilichurls.

PS You are not welcome in Greater Liyue.

-Ningguang

Are you scholar of North Korea? Why do you think you are such an expert?? Many Russians wish to return to communism. Do you know that last election, just several weeks ago, КПРФ won nearly 20% of the vote? In former Soviet countries, usually at least 40% of the population thinks the dissolution of the USSR was a great shame. In Cuba, Communism remains popular, though it has been weakened by the loss of Fidel Castro. And the Communist Party is very popular in China, except for the few hooligans in Hong Kong, who the media claims to be a much bigger group than they are in reality.

I looked up this character you mention, Klee. It is horrifying! She wears such a skimpy outfit. What kind of people do you think this is supposed to attract?!

I do not care if I am not welcome in your imaginary country.

What the hell is wrong with that Bez guy/girl? Who actually supports North Korea in all honesty? I used to use the DPRK flag as a joke and reference to Die Another Day. Most people with NK flags here are playing around. I don't even want to imagine what made this Bez person so messed up. Usually people that act like this were abused in their past.

I have not experienced abuse, to my knowledge. However, that does not make someone's opinions less valid, even if I have experienced abuse. It is so disrespectful to say that.

They will try by war. Watch.

Banning femboys=Promote male soldiers as the only masculinity
Banning video games=nothing to stop CCP Propaganda and military training
Banning idols=CCP are their only idols
Banning crypto=CCP E-currency is money, now money itself is linked to social credit score
New policy to have more kids=More soldiers for the Middle Kingdom

Germany did something analogous to this prior to WWII, so did Italy. Hell, Mussolini banned pasta (look it up) and Hitler banned many types of music!

PS Are you Marshal Tito? Do you like Yugoslav War Music?

How do you think video games would stop so called "CCP propaganda"? If the children spend their time zombifying in front of television screen, they have less time to spend reading dialectical theory?

While you stammer on, those who have lived under the actual rule of the now former Soviet Union are inclined to say otherwise from their personal experiences, be it from the state-sponsored oppression of free speech, thought police, or various other tragedies that were simply a fact of life in those areas until the old regime collapsed from within given economic shortcomings.

And no, this is not an attack "based on western ideals" but rather something you can easily look up online if you have just a few short seconds to spare, which it seems won't be much, given you have the time to try to defend your flawed views without some actual support, instead resorting to attacking everyone else's word with the usual rhetoric of denial as if to infer that you actively lack an argument to be made proper... Which is rather depressing. Even if it seemed like bait and trolling at first.

[Bez Imeni]

Are you scholar of North Korea? Why do you think you are such an expert?? Many Russians wish to return to communism. Do you know that last election, just several weeks ago, КПРФ won nearly 20% of the vote? In former Soviet countries, usually at least 40% of the population thinks the dissolution of the USSR was a great shame. In Cuba, Communism remains popular, though it has been weakened by the loss of Fidel Castro. And the Communist Party is very popular in China, except for the few hooligans in Hong Kong, who the media claims to be a much bigger group than they are in reality.

I looked up this character you mention, Klee. It is horrifying! She wears such a skimpy outfit. What kind of people do you think this is supposed to attract?!

I do not care if I am not welcome in your imaginary country.

I have not experienced abuse, to my knowledge. However, that does not make someone's opinions less valid, even if I have experienced abuse. It is so disrespectful to say that.

How do you think video games would stop so called "CCP propaganda"? If the children spend their time zombifying in front of television screen, they have less time to spend reading dialectical theory?

While you stammer on, those who have lived under the actual rule of the now former Soviet Union are inclined to say otherwise from their personal experiences, be it from the state-sponsored oppression of free speech, thought police, or various other tragedies that were simply a fact of life in those areas until the old regime collapsed from within given economic shortcomings.

And no, this is not an attack "based on western ideals" but rather something you can easily look up online if you have just a few short seconds to spare, which it seems won't be much, given you have the time to try to defend your flawed views without some actual support, instead resorting to attacking everyone else's word with the usual rhetoric of denial as if to infer that you actively lack an argument to be made proper... Which is rather depressing. Even if it seemed like bait and trolling at first.

Real statistics, not anecdotes, tell differently: https://pikabu.ru/story/bolshinstvo_gra ... tr_7785154

[United Inazuma]

I looked up this character you mention, Klee. It is horrifying! She wears such a skimpy outfit. What kind of people do you think this is supposed to attract?!

She ain't real bro

The FBI is en route to this fella's house for making abhorrent advances towards Klee. Master Jean is too so she can safely extract Klee.

[Just-An-Illusion]

I have a question for you Bez, do you think transgender people should be banned?

[The Imperium man]

Hold up. Did you honestly just call North Korea "a good model?"
I never thought I would ever see someone unironically standing up for that kind of evil, yet, here we are.
Oh, by all means, tell me how this "good model" justifies starving millions since its greedy leader hoards all food for his family and army. Attempt to justify the inhuman and sexist treatment of North Korean women who are treated as domestic slaves by the men of North Korea. Women cannot even sit at the same dinner table as men in DPRK! How the hell can you justify imprisoning entire families for merely saying they disagree with their government? I love a good NK joke and used to use the DPRK flag for Greater Liyue since I routinely parodied them (the KPOP ban and E-girl ban were never meant to be taken seriously). But dude...simping for a government that is arguably the most oppressive in the world, one where citizens cannot freely move within the borders of the DPRK (i.e. you cannot drive from Pyongyang to Wonsan without travel permits). You need to go home and rethink your life and morality.

I am gonna go out on a limb and guess you live somewhere in the West. Where you are legally allowed to say this kind of evil drivel. Maybe you oughta take a trip to Pyongyang and see the DPRK yourself. You won't find many people outside of NK who know more about NK than me. Ask a Cuban, ask a Romanian, ask a Russian, ask a Cambodian. Ask them what Communism did to their countries. Go on.

And as for Genshin, I have many more coping mechanisms. I am Buddhist and Buddhism was the biggest help for me during that time. Exercise helped a lot too. Moving back to the same state with my parents did as well. You shouldn't dismiss Genshin until you have tried it. It's fun and more wholesome than you think. No sexual content allowed, the game always ends on a positive note after any dark chapters, and it makes references to real culture. Most characters aren't children anyway. Most of them are college-age or in their 20s. Maybe all you know is Klee, who is a child? Klee is actually very strong and carries explosives. Maybe you oughta put the Little Red Book or Communist Manifesto down and - dare I say it - go touch grass or go kill Hilichurls.

PS You are not welcome in Greater Liyue.

-Ningguang

Are you scholar of North Korea? Why do you think you are such an expert?? Many Russians wish to return to communism. Do you know that last election, just several weeks ago, КПРФ won nearly 20% of the vote? In former Soviet countries, usually at least 40% of the population thinks the dissolution of the USSR was a great shame. In Cuba, Communism remains popular, though it has been weakened by the loss of Fidel Castro. And the Communist Party is very popular in China, except for the few hooligans in Hong Kong, who the media claims to be a much bigger group than they are in reality.

I looked up this character you mention, Klee. It is horrifying! She wears such a skimpy outfit. What kind of people do you think this is supposed to attract?!

I do not care if I am not welcome in your imaginary country.

What the hell is wrong with that Bez guy/girl? Who actually supports North Korea in all honesty? I used to use the DPRK flag as a joke and reference to Die Another Day. Most people with NK flags here are playing around. I don't even want to imagine what made this Bez person so messed up. Usually people that act like this were abused in their past.

I have not experienced abuse, to my knowledge. However, that does not make someone's opinions less valid, even if I have experienced abuse. It is so disrespectful to say that.

They will try by war. Watch.

Banning femboys=Promote male soldiers as the only masculinity
Banning video games=nothing to stop CCP Propaganda and military training
Banning idols=CCP are their only idols
Banning crypto=CCP E-currency is money, now money itself is linked to social credit score
New policy to have more kids=More soldiers for the Middle Kingdom

Germany did something analogous to this prior to WWII, so did Italy. Hell, Mussolini banned pasta (look it up) and Hitler banned many types of music!

PS Are you Marshal Tito? Do you like Yugoslav War Music?

How do you think video games would stop so called "CCP propaganda"? If the children spend their time zombifying in front of television screen, they have less time to spend reading dialectical theory?

You use long paragraphs with straw man argument. Hey what's wrong with gaming?

[Auze]

What hasn't China banned?

[The Imperium man]

You seem to labouring under the assumption that communism entails the maximisation of production and a culture of asceticism to enable this productivist model. Nothing could be further from the truth. Communism in fact entails a reduction of labour and production, and the expansion of free time to enable leisure and the full development of people. The nature of leisure in communism will of course be different to that under capitalism, but that does not mean that it will not exist. I must also point out that consumerism is the necessary partner of the productivist model you seem to be fond of. If you drive up production, consumption must rise to meet it.

Certainly the ultimate goal is not to overwork citizens like in Capitalism, but that does not mean people in the society should be able to sit around on their ass all day playing video games and entertaining themselves with cross-dressing, because we want a functional society, not a dysfunctional society. Performing quality work for a portion of each weekday should be expected of any able bodied citizen (and having ADHD or stress disorder is still able bodied). Even in free time, we should expect people to engage in pastimes that are good for them. In my free time, I try to be creative, I hike and dive. These are good for health or produce things other people can use. Spending all your free time playing video games and indulging in sexual fetishes is not good for you or for the people around you.

I'm agreed with you when it comes to healthy lifestyle and that's good thing for people. However , gaming should not be discarded , but rather respect these people who are interested in video games. Right?

[Suriyanakhon]

and entertaining themselves with cross-dressing, because we want a functional society, not a dysfunctional society.

How does the existence of crossdressing contribute to a dysfunctional society again?

Spending all your free time playing video games and indulging in sexual fetishes is not good for you or for the people around you.

If there's a reason people spend all of their time playing video games in the PRC it's because it's a shallow consumerist society as much as South Korea and Japan lol.

[Bez Imeni]

I have a question for you Bez, do you think transgender people should be banned?

I think if a transsexual acts as a good member of society and does not make a fetish out of it there is no concern.

Are you scholar of North Korea? Why do you think you are such an expert?? Many Russians wish to return to communism. Do you know that last election, just several weeks ago, КПРФ won nearly 20% of the vote? In former Soviet countries, usually at least 40% of the population thinks the dissolution of the USSR was a great shame. In Cuba, Communism remains popular, though it has been weakened by the loss of Fidel Castro. And the Communist Party is very popular in China, except for the few hooligans in Hong Kong, who the media claims to be a much bigger group than they are in reality.

I looked up this character you mention, Klee. It is horrifying! She wears such a skimpy outfit. What kind of people do you think this is supposed to attract?!

I do not care if I am not welcome in your imaginary country.

I have not experienced abuse, to my knowledge. However, that does not make someone's opinions less valid, even if I have experienced abuse. It is so disrespectful to say that.

How do you think video games would stop so called "CCP propaganda"? If the children spend their time zombifying in front of television screen, they have less time to spend reading dialectical theory?

You use long paragraphs with straw man argument. Hey what's wrong with gaming?

It takes up lots of time and keeps people from doing things that are good for them or others. And the nice thing about this law is, you can still play games, but just at a particular time. There is nothing wrong with doing it for a little bit of time, but the law keeps it in check.

Certainly the ultimate goal is not to overwork citizens like in Capitalism, but that does not mean people in the society should be able to sit around on their ass all day playing video games and entertaining themselves with cross-dressing, because we want a functional society, not a dysfunctional society. Performing quality work for a portion of each weekday should be expected of any able bodied citizen (and having ADHD or stress disorder is still able bodied). Even in free time, we should expect people to engage in pastimes that are good for them. In my free time, I try to be creative, I hike and dive. These are good for health or produce things other people can use. Spending all your free time playing video games and indulging in sexual fetishes is not good for you or for the people around you.

I'm agreed with you when it comes to healthy lifestyle and that's good thing for people. However , gaming should not be discarded , but rather respect these people who are interested in video games. Right?

That is why the law keeps a time period so that people who are interested can play for 3 hours every weekend, if they want. I think that it would be good if that could be any one hour during the day, not just from 8 to 9, but I am sure that would be harder to enforce, so there is a good reason for it.

[Suriyanakhon]

Since when did far East "communists" become so conservative and bigoted anyways? Last I checked cultural purity and traditional gender roles weren't socialist talking points.

I think if you'd ever read Marx's letters, you'd realize that's not mutually exclusive with being a Communist.

[Greater Liyue]

Since when did far East "communists" become so conservative and bigoted anyways? Last I checked cultural purity and traditional gender roles weren't socialist talking points.

I think if you'd ever read Marx's letters, you'd realize that's not mutually exclusive with being a Communist.

You are so right. Marx was horribly racist, Anti-Semitic, and just a very unsavory person.

[Suriyanakhon]

I think if you'd ever read Marx's letters, you'd realize that's not mutually exclusive with being a Communist.

You are so right. Marx was horribly racist, Anti-Semitic, and just a very unsavory person.

Excellent at analyzing material conditions, terrible at everything else.

[Infected Mushroom]

I had a student over Zoom for a 1 on 1 and he was based in Guangzhou, China. He shows me new Ultraman cards every week and tells me how much he likes watching it on iPad.

It's strange because my last lesson with him ended a few weeks before the Ultraman ban/restriction.

I do wonder if he's still doing Ultraman related things or not. I mean, how seriously enforced is this? China does have a series of laws that are customarily not enforced.

For example, they do have anti-piracy laws but you can wander all over China (even in big cities) and find shops operating in broad daylight selling 100% pirated knock offs with no repercussion; and these shops have been around for years. Some cities have the Hong Kong style policy of fining people for thousands of RMBs if they spit on the ground but it seems to have absolutely zero enforcement (I've even seen people in uniforms do it). Taxis are supposed to be a "regulated government sector" now in many cities yet illegal chauffeurs are so brazen (and so confident in non-enforcement) that they stand at airport and train station exits openly offering transport for prices that undercut or exceed (to trick tourists) the standard fares.

As for the no Chinese gamer thing, don't be so sure. I don't play anymore but while I did, players from mainland China regularly showed up on Japanese and Korean game servers; there was a long standing informal regulation that players could mainly/only play on national servers. I was like... "Wait. Chinese? How the hell are you in this game?" They don't understand me but the flood of Chinese characters (simplified) heavily implies that they use some standard, access VPN/hacking thing to access a wider player base somehow. Wow they must be pretty tech-y because when I went to Shenzhen there would have been no way to play on a non-Chinese server for me. And no these are not pro players or hardcore Skilled either; they seem to be just regular run-of-the-mill opponents.

So I do wonder what the ban will mean in practice. Is the kid still going to be watching Ultraman?

Would his mom even KNOW about this new ban?

[Tehmistan]

Since when did far East "communists" become so conservative and bigoted anyways? Last I checked cultural purity and traditional gender roles weren't socialist talking points.

Traditional gender roles is not exactly what the policy aims for. Communism is in favor of equality for women. Chinese policy is simply working to ensure that men and women stay productive, good citizens instead of getting bogged down in entertainment.

I don’t see how banning crossdressing is helping women equality wise but I do see it hurting GNC people

[Kumarinadu]

Since when did far East "communists" become so conservative and bigoted anyways? Last I checked cultural purity and traditional gender roles weren't socialist talking points.

Outside the west, they’re usually like that.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Since when did far East "communists" become so conservative and bigoted anyways? Last I checked cultural purity and traditional gender roles weren't socialist talking points.

Outside the west, they’re usually like that.

Not really, the Zapatistas for example are very outspoken feminists.

[Torrocca]

Outside the west, they’re usually like that.

Not really, the Zapatistas for example are very outspoken feminists.

Rojava's pretty decent about that, too, IIRC. So was Burkina Faso during Sankara's tenure, before he was murdered.

[Resilient Acceleration]

China goes full Orwellian, bans all new games that:

1. allows player to make moral decisions, or
2. depicts any form of human non-heterosexuality.

On the ban of giving players moral choices:

Games that allow players to make moral choices between good and evil should also not be approved, according to the memo.

“Some games have blurred moral boundaries,” it said.

“Players can choose to be either good or evil… but we don’t think that games should give players this choice… and this must be altered.”

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/china-ban-vid ... 00133.html

Note that the legal definition of "evil" remains unclear.

On the ban on queers in gaming:

the memo said that video games must not be viewed as “pure entertainment”, and should instead convey “a correct set of values”.

Games that feature queer relationships or “effeminate males”, the memo states, should not be approved for release in China.

“If regulators can’t tell the character’s gender immediately, the setting of the characters could be considered problematic and red flags will be raised,” it added.

[The Alma Mater]

China goes full Orwellian, bans all new games that:

1. allows player to make moral decisions, or
2. depicts any form of human non-heterosexuality.

On the ban of giving players moral choices:

Games that allow players to make moral choices between good and evil should also not be approved, according to the memo.

“Some games have blurred moral boundaries,” it said.

“Players can choose to be either good or evil… but we don’t think that games should give players this choice… and this must be altered.”

Phrased like that, a game where you play as pure evil (e.g. the classic Dungeon Keeper) would still be fine. But the next sentences imply that you are only allowed to play games as a good guy.

I take it that also means that games where one can pick a faction or country to play will be banned; since one could pick a faction that does not align with Chinese values ?

[Resilient Acceleration]

China goes full Orwellian, bans all new games that:

1. allows player to make moral decisions, or
2. depicts any form of human non-heterosexuality.

On the ban of giving players moral choices:

Phrased like that, a game where you play as pure evil (e.g. the classic Dungeon Keeper) would still be fine. But the next sentences imply that you are only allowed to play games as a good guy.

I take it that also means that games where one can pick a faction or country to play will be banned; since one could pick a faction that does not align with Chinese values ?

Most likely. Especially due to this added clause:

According to memo seen by the Post, games are a new art form that must highlight ‘correct values’ and an accurate understanding of China’s history and culture

https://www.scmp.com/tech/policy/articl ... s-now-have

...I don't think games that allows the depiction of China or Chinese history through another point of view (say, from the lens of Imperial Japan) will fare well, tbh.

[The Alma Mater]

Phrased like that, a game where you play as pure evil (e.g. the classic Dungeon Keeper) would still be fine. But the next sentences imply that you are only allowed to play games as a good guy.

I take it that also means that games where one can pick a faction or country to play will be banned; since one could pick a faction that does not align with Chinese values ?

Most likely. Especially due to this added clause:

According to memo seen by the Post, games are a new art form that must highlight ‘correct values’ and an accurate understanding of China’s history and culture

https://www.scmp.com/tech/policy/articl ... s-now-have

...I don't think games that allows the depiction of China or Chinese history through another point of view (say, from the lens of Imperial Japan) will fare well, tbh.

But would you be allowed to have a WW2 game where you play as a nazi, killing capitalist Americans ?

[Resilient Acceleration]

Most likely. Especially due to this added clause:


...I don't think games that allows the depiction of China or Chinese history through another point of view (say, from the lens of Imperial Japan) will fare well, tbh.

But would you be allowed to have a WW2 game where you play as a nazi, killing capitalist Americans ?

I mean, I'm not a CCP boomer sitting in a faraway committee somewhere in Beijing, so I have no idea. But considering the attitude they have on the existence of "games" in general in memory of recent bans, I think they'll be a bit liberal in ramming the banhammer.