Sirhan Sirhan granted parole after 53 years in prison

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

He killed one guy and probably won't kill anyone else. Why not let him out?

For one thing, if Kennedy won the election, tens of thousands of American lives would have been saved by ending the vietnam war in1968.

Have seen this one from liberals everywhere.

It's been fifty years. They got shot. Jackie was in RFK's bed within months of her husband's assassination. Ted ran in 1980 and made an utter fool of himself. Nowadays the family can't even win a primary against Ed Markey. Let go, make peace with the fact Camelot was a lie. Stop seeing the Kennedies as the be all and end all; there is no place for dynasties in America, let alone venerated ones.

[Ethel mermania]

For one thing, if Kennedy won the election, tens of thousands of American lives would have been saved by ending the vietnam war in1968.

Have seen this one from liberals everywhere.

It's been fifty years. They got shot. Jackie was in RFK's bed within months of her husband's assassination. Ted ran in 1980 and made an utter fool of himself. Nowadays the family can't even win a primary against Ed Markey. Let go, make peace with the fact Camelot was a lie. Stop seeing the Kennedies as the be all and end all; there is no place for dynasties in America, let alone venerated ones.

Thats your take away from what I wrote?

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

Have seen this one from liberals everywhere.

It's been fifty years. They got shot. Jackie was in RFK's bed within months of her husband's assassination. Ted ran in 1980 and made an utter fool of himself. Nowadays the family can't even win a primary against Ed Markey. Let go, make peace with the fact Camelot was a lie. Stop seeing the Kennedies as the be all and end all; there is no place for dynasties in America, let alone venerated ones.

Thats your take away from what I wrote?

Yes.

RFK wouldn't have ended the war in 1968. It's a ridiculous myth on the level of "warmonger Johnson got us into Vietnam, JFK wanted to get us out".

[Ethel mermania]

Thats your take away from what I wrote?

Yes.

RFK wouldn't have ended the war in 1968. It's a ridiculous myth on the level of "warmonger Johnson got us into Vietnam, JFK wanted to get us out".

It would have been 69, my bad.

You are aware RFK ran on an anti war platform?

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

Yes.

RFK wouldn't have ended the war in 1968. It's a ridiculous myth on the level of "warmonger Johnson got us into Vietnam, JFK wanted to get us out".

It would have been 69, my bad.

You are aware RFK ran on an anti war platform?

No, it wouldn't have been 1969 either.

In practice, his policy would look a lot similar to Nixon's Vietnamization.

[Ethel mermania]

It would have been 69, my bad.

You are aware RFK ran on an anti war platform?

No, it wouldn't have been 1969 either.

In practice, his policy would look a lot similar to Nixon's Vietnamization.

No, no it wouldn't have.

However if we accept your argument, it would have at the least started in 1969, not 72.

Which gets back to the point if sirhan had not shot rfk, and Kennedy won, it is far more than one life that sirhan took that day.

[Hispida]

rfk wouldn't have even won the nomination so imo it's kinda stupid to talk about his hypothetical presidency

[Ethel mermania]

rfk wouldn't have even won the nomination so imo it's kinda stupid to talk about his hypothetical presidency

We disagree.

[The Black Forrest]

rfk wouldn't have even won the nomination so imo it's kinda stupid to talk about his hypothetical presidency

I disagree. RFK was an anathema to foreign policy conservatives. RFK didn't like the communists and yet he thought a big long term involvement with Vietnam was a bad idea.

Things would have been different if he had been President. So much that would probably wouldn't have had Nixon or Trump for example though that that's another debate. SS changed the path of the country.

[Confederation of South Africa]

For one thing, if Kennedy won the election, tens of thousands of American lives would have been saved by ending the vietnam war in1968.

Have seen this one from liberals everywhere.

It's been fifty years. They got shot. Jackie was in RFK's bed within months of her husband's assassination. Ted ran in 1980 and made an utter fool of himself. Nowadays the family can't even win a primary against Ed Markey. Let go, make peace with the fact Camelot was a lie. Stop seeing the Kennedies as the be all and end all; there is no place for dynasties in America, let alone venerated ones.

I am right wing and I disagree.

[Confederation of South Africa]

what

The parole recommendation still has to be approved by the Governor’s Office and the governor himself, we don’t yet know if it’ll really be upheld.

That is what I meant. Do you think the G.O and the governor will approve/uphold the parole?

[Gig em Aggies]

The parole recommendation still has to be approved by the Governor’s Office and the governor himself, we don’t yet know if it’ll really be upheld.

That is what I meant. Do you think the G.O and the governor will approve/uphold the parole?

Yes because it's California who else would release him?

[The Black Forrest]

That is what I meant. Do you think the G.O and the governor will approve/uphold the parole?

Yes because it's California who else would release him?

I’m sorry I don’t understand your point.

[Kannap]

Is it weird that I never knew Sirhan Sirhan was the guy who shot RFK, and thought he was a musician?

That's Duran Duran

[Ethel mermania]

rfk wouldn't have even won the nomination so imo it's kinda stupid to talk about his hypothetical presidency

I disagree. RFK was an anathema to foreign policy conservatives. RFK didn't like the communists and yet he thought a big long term involvement with Vietnam was a bad idea.

Things would have been different if he had been President. So much that would probably wouldn't have had Nixon or Trump for example though that that's another debate. SS changed the path of the country.

By definition there would be no Nixon, no Watergate, last US service man out of Vietnam before 1971.
Certainly no ford or Carter.

That bullet changed the path of history

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I disagree. RFK was an anathema to foreign policy conservatives. RFK didn't like the communists and yet he thought a big long term involvement with Vietnam was a bad idea.

Things would have been different if he had been President. So much that would probably wouldn't have had Nixon or Trump for example though that that's another debate. SS changed the path of the country.

By definition there would be no Nixon, no Watergate, last US service man out of Vietnam before 1971.
Certainly no ford or Carter.

That bullet changed the path of history

But history being a series of progress and backlash, perhaps the American 80's or 90's would have been some kind of jingo-fascist hell (like even more so than with Reagan). And who knows where we would be today?

Butterfly effect and all. Strangle baby Hitler, maybe comes along another Nazi who is an even better tactician who doesn't do stupid things like refusing to let the army retreat from Stalingrad. You can never say with certainty if someone made the world better or worse long term.

[The Black Forrest]

By definition there would be no Nixon, no Watergate, last US service man out of Vietnam before 1971.
Certainly no ford or Carter.

That bullet changed the path of history

But history being a series of progress and backlash, perhaps the American 80's or 90's would have been some kind of jingo-fascist hell (like even more so than with Reagan). And who knows where we would be today?

Butterfly effect and all. Strangle baby Hitler, maybe comes along another Nazi who is an even better tactician who doesn't do stupid things like refusing to let the army retreat from Stalingrad. You can never say with certainty if someone made the world better or worse long term.

Butterfly effect is not a guarantee. Sure we can strange baby Hitler and another Nazi is a better tactician and yet lacks the ability to motivate the people like Hitler could....

Still nobody really can't say SS didn't change the path of the nation.....

[Punished UMN]

Pretty confusing to start a post talking about Hitler and then use "SS" in reference to Sirhan Sirhan lmao

[The Black Forrest]

Pretty confusing to start a post talking about Hitler and then use "SS" in reference to Sirhan Sirhan lmao

I did see that after I clicked submit. I was going to change it and thought nahhh the confused looks would be a worth a smirk.

[Magnecia]

I disagree. RFK was an anathema to foreign policy conservatives. RFK didn't like the communists and yet he thought a big long term involvement with Vietnam was a bad idea.

Things would have been different if he had been President. So much that would probably wouldn't have had Nixon or Trump for example though that that's another debate. SS changed the path of the country.

By definition there would be no Nixon, no Watergate, last US service man out of Vietnam before 1971.
Certainly no ford or Carter.

That bullet changed the path of history

I am assuming you meant American history, when you wrote the line that I underlined. Because, I don't think the British history would have been any bit different if RFK was not shot. Half of the guys in my neighborhood do not even know him.

[Dar Al-Badw]

Thats your take away from what I wrote?

Yes.

RFK wouldn't have ended the war in 1968. It's a ridiculous myth on the level of "warmonger Johnson got us into Vietnam, JFK wanted to get us out".

Why was the Vietnam war wrong?

there is no place for dynasties in America, let alone venerated ones.

So it should be illegal for people to do similar jobs to their parents?

[CoraSpia]

...good?

53 years is a jail term that serves no rehabilitative purpose and only ensures that he can't really adjust to life on the outside. I'm glad he was granted parole, it just should have been like...waaaaaaay sooner.