The Future of the Republican Party

[Crockerland]

The Republican party platform is currently that of an anti-reality white nationalist death cult. That's not attracting many people who haven't already drunk the Koolaid. The future of the Republican Party isn't about finding more rational or popular policy positions, but rather provoking fear responses and eliminating democracy altogether so their politicians don't have to compete against more popular challengers.

Okay, I guess I have to repeat this for emphasis. Middle-class white America will put up with all manner of insanity so long as they believe they will be financially better off under a Republican government. If it's between "the Earth is flat and 5g causes corona but here's a tax cut" and "totally rational but no tax cut", they will pick the tax cut. If the Republican politician is reading the Protocols of the Elders of Zion while inserting crystals into their orifices, all they have to do is say "tax cut" and well-off white people are fine with the rest.

"Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty." Seems to be the Democratic Party's unofficial motto.

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion reference is especially ironic since, while Republican voters obviously wouldn't be okay with a politician espousing antisemitism from such a document, Democrat voters and political leaders alike are fine with Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib accepting funding for an international trip from an organization that denies the Holocaust, claims Jews use the blood of Christians during passover rituals, and published a neo-nazi article entitled “Who Rules America: The Alien Grip on Our News and Entertainment Media Must Be Broken” (take a wild guess who they think rules America).

[Cekoviu]

congratulations to the 3 of you who have managed to completely derail this thread within the very first page. i never thought it was possible but you sure showed me

[Cekoviu]

Okay, I guess I have to repeat this for emphasis. Middle-class white America will put up with all manner of insanity so long as they believe they will be financially better off under a Republican government. If it's between "the Earth is flat and 5g causes corona but here's a tax cut" and "totally rational but no tax cut", they will pick the tax cut. If the Republican politician is reading the Protocols of the Elders of Zion while inserting crystals into their orifices, all they have to do is say "tax cut" and well-off white people are fine with the rest.

"Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty." Seems to be the Democratic Party's unofficial motto.

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion reference is especially ironic since, while Republican voters obviously wouldn't be okay with a politician espousing antisemitism from such a document, Democrat voters and political leaders alike are fine with Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib accepting funding for an international trip from an organization that denies the Holocaust, claims Jews use the blood of Christians during passover rituals, and published a neo-nazi article entitled “Who Rules America: The Alien Grip on Our News and Entertainment Media Must Be Broken” (take a wild guess who they think rules America).

both the republicans and the democrats are overall completely uncritical of israel and pose no threat to jews within the us. the israeli political lobby holds immense power over both parties and if either ever had more than a few rogue members, make no mistake, they would be immediately eliminated. so no need to worry; your apartheid state will hold plenty of recognition among both parties for a long time

[Necroghastia]

Pretty sure that was a reference to the theory that most people above the median income in Washington, New York, and Los Angeles are involved in satanic child trafficking and cannibalism?

Well, obviously no one in the real world believes that "most people above the median income in Washington, New York, and Los Angeles" are involved in Satanic child trafficking. Once again, Democrats live in an alternative reality. No one thinks this.

you really gonna claim no one actually believes in the qanon shit lol

“the 58 genders thing” lol or the “wearing masks in a respiratory pandemic thing”

The CDC is a conspiracy theorist outlet

imagine actually thinking you scored a point here lol
you know damn well the rhetoric we're talking about

or the “not pouring ever more pollution into a dying planet’s biosphere” thing

The number of Democrats denying the scientific consensus on Nuclear Energy as a solution to this problem makes this a "glass houses" situation.

yeah and??? doesn't make the repubs any less wrong lol

We uh... we just gonna ignore how the Republicans have [...] been denying even the most basic of medical science for the past couple years?

Children aren't ever harmed in the course of an abortion

Ironic.

im sure you can give a sound explanation of how lol

[The Black Forrest]

Pretty sure that was a reference to the theory that most people above the median income in Washington, New York, and Los Angeles are involved in satanic child trafficking and cannibalism?

Well, obviously no one in the real world believes that "most people above the median income in Washington, New York, and Los Angeles" are involved in Satanic child trafficking. Once again, Democrats live in an alternative reality. No one thinks this.

There are indeed several large Democrat donors who have been caught committing rape or child abuse, such as Ed Buck, Jeffery Epstein, and Harvey Weinstein, if that's what you're referring to.

Seriously? You left out many politicians returned the donations when their crimes were exposed. As to Epstein? You really can't label him a "democratic problem" as his island had anybody interested. Heck even Trump lied about knowing him.

You are going to have to provide serious proof rather then conspiracy theories and the deep state.

Also, why aren't you complaining about Gaetz and his problems of sex with a minor and sex trafficking involving a minor?

“the 58 genders thing” lol or the “wearing masks in a respiratory pandemic thing”

The CDC is a conspiracy theorist outlet

*shrugs* and they moved away from that. We are playing catch up since the previous year was pretty much wasted for serious coordinated planning.

or the “not pouring ever more pollution into a dying planet’s biosphere” thing

The number of Democrats denying the scientific consensus on Nuclear Energy as a solution to this problem makes this a "glass houses" situation.

You are being disingenuous. Well I will give you the chance for a source to that claim science believes it is the solution. It's not. It's part of the solution.

You are also mixing in political debate into the measure. For example; if we were going to replace all coal burning plants with an appropriate level of nuclear plants; guess who will be against that option?

Nuclear has it's own set of problems. Do you want to set one up on or near the fault lines of Califonia? How about tornado areas? Hurricanes?

Since we really don't have a strong solution for carbon neutral; they are part of the equation. We do have 55 in the US.

We uh... we just gonna ignore how the Republicans have [...] been denying even the most basic of medical science for the past couple years?

Children aren't ever harmed in the course of an abortion

Ironic.

What exactly is your point? Children are harmed during miscarriage's all the time. There really isn't a test to say yes this just happened. Shall we start prosecuting women every time one is reported? Medical people do hear about them as women tend to freak when it happens and call......

[Senkaku]

Pretty sure that was a reference to the theory that most people above the median income in Washington, New York, and Los Angeles are involved in satanic child trafficking and cannibalism?

Well, obviously no one in the real world believes that "most people above the median income in Washington, New York, and Los Angeles" are involved in Satanic child trafficking.

Those quote marks are doing a lot of work there, huh? Sorry, I thought we were playing fast and loose with our phrasing after "the 58 genders thing," would you prefer I were more specific about exactly who people in the real world believe are involved in Satanic child trafficking? If I narrowed the focus a bit to the actual "substance" of the theory, would you be telling me I live in an alternate reality for saying those people aren't Satanic pedophile cannibals?

Once again, Democrats live in an alternative reality. No one thinks this.

Moving from nitpicking at me for not precisely describing the details of a vast and fantastic web of conspiracies to asserting that no one thinks "this"-- just sort of folding all of QAnon into rhetorical non-existence-- is sort of sad at this point. It's a massive subculture, many people do indeed think something pretty close to what I describe.

There are indeed several large Democrat donors who have been caught committing rape or child abuse, such as Ed Buck, Jeffery Epstein, and Harvey Weinstein, if that's what you're referring to.

“the 58 genders thing” lol or the “wearing masks in a respiratory pandemic thing”

The CDC is a conspiracy theorist outlet

Weren't we talking about the Republican Party? Come on, Crock, why don't you want to show me evidence of the GOP's sterling record on public health? :^)

or the “not pouring ever more pollution into a dying planet’s biosphere” thing

The number of Democrats denying the scientific consensus on Nuclear Energy as a solution to this problem makes this a "glass houses" situation.

Republicans want to keep using fossil fuels, but Democrats disagree over different clean power strategies that the Republicans have continuously blocked. These are the same! Gotcha. When we're being roasted alive by water bandits, I'm going to remind you that you said this.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

I hope the Republican Party does collapse. It doesn't deserve a second chance after what it did.

As well, the radicalization of the millions by a wealthy businessman is the natural consequence of capitalism. We need an opposition party to Democrats, but it needs to be from a different perspective than that of the Republicans.

[Lady Victory]

Hopefully it's short.

[Crockerland]

Well, obviously no one in the real world believes that "most people above the median income in Washington, New York, and Los Angeles" are involved in Satanic child trafficking. Once again, Democrats live in an alternative reality. No one thinks this.

There are indeed several large Democrat donors who have been caught committing rape or child abuse, such as Ed Buck, Jeffery Epstein, and Harvey Weinstein, if that's what you're referring to.

Seriously? You left out many politicians returned the donations when their crimes were exposed. As to Epstein? You really can't label him a "democratic problem"

Who are you quoting?

as his island had anybody interested. Heck even Trump lied about knowing him.

You are going to have to provide serious proof rather then conspiracy theories and the deep state.

https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epstein-politicians-connections-donations-2019-7

Since 1990, Epstein has donated $147,426 to various Democrats and $18,250 to Republicans, according to the Center for Responsive Politics

Wow, clearly a true bipartisan.

Also, why aren't you complaining about Gaetz and his problems of sex with a minor and sex trafficking involving a minor?

Unlike the people I listed, Matt Gaetz has not been convicted of, or charged with, any crime.

The CDC is a conspiracy theorist outlet

*shrugs* and they moved away from that. We are playing catch up since the previous year was pretty much wasted for serious coordinated planning.

The number of Democrats denying the scientific consensus on Nuclear Energy as a solution to this problem makes this a "glass houses" situation.

You are being disingenuous. Well I will give you the chance for a source to that claim science believes it is the solution. It's not. It's part of the solution.

Good thing I didn't say it was the solution then. But once again, Democrats seem to live in a separate Universe from the real world.

You are also mixing in political debate into the measure. For example; if we were going to replace all coal burning plants with an appropriate level of nuclear plants; guess who will be against that option?

Democrats.

Nuclear has it's own set of problems. Do you want to set one up on or near the fault lines of Califonia? How about tornado areas? Hurricanes?

Argument from ignorance.

Nuclear Power Plants can survive tornados
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/tornado-alley-reactor-not-fully-twister-proof/

-In June 2010, a tornado ripped off siding off a building housing emergency equipment and knocked out one of two power sources at the Fermi nuclear plant in Michigan. An alert was declared, and the plant was stabilized.

-Tornadoes struck the Quad Cities nuclear power plant in northwestern Illinois in 1990 and 1996. In 1990, the plant’s security fence was damaged and the roof of one building blew onto a duct that connects the radioactive waste processing area to a venting stack. No radioactive gas was released. Six years later, a tornado damaged one of the unit’s secondary containment structures, leading to an alert and shutdown.

-In 1998, a tornado hit the Davis-Besse plant in Ohio, causing significant damage to electrical distribution systems, sirens and other “unfortified” structures, according to the NRC. There were no adverse effects to public health and safety.

They can also easily survive hurricanes

https://www.foronuclear.org/en/nuclear-power/questions-and-answers/on-nuclear-power/how-do-nuclear-power-plants-withstand-hurricanes/

2011, Hurricane Irene (category 3): 24 nuclear reactors in 15 sites located between North Carolina and New England safely resisted.
2005, Hurricane Katrina (category 5): Unit 3 of the Waterford nuclear power plant in Louisiana was shut off after the electricity supply was lost due to the hurricane. All emergency equipment functioned according to plan and operated the emergency diesel generators for 4.5 days,
2004, Hurricane Jeanne (category 3): The operator of the St.Lucie nuclear power plant in Florid shut off its two units after the hurricane caused an exterior loss of energy supply.
1992, Hurricane Andrew (category 5): The operator of the Turkey Point nuclear power plant in South Florida shut off units 3 and 4 after the hurricane cut off exterior electric energy supply. The emergency diesel generators were used for six days.

Since we really don't have a strong solution for carbon neutral; they are part of the equation. We do have 55 in the US.

Ironic.

What exactly is your point? Children are harmed doing miscarriage's all the time. There really isn't a test to say yes this just happened. Shall we start prosecuting women every time one is reported? Medical people do hear about them as women tend to freak when it happens and call......

Why are pro-choice arguments so consistently dishonest non sequiturs?

[Necroghastia]

y'know crock i really gotta hand it to you, your posts have honestly been the best ones in this thread

deflecting any and all criticism with "but what about the OTHER GUYS" really is the foreseeable future of the republican party

[The Black Forrest]

Seriously? You left out many politicians returned the donations when their crimes were exposed. As to Epstein? You really can't label him a "democratic problem"

Who are you quoting?

as his island had anybody interested. Heck even Trump lied about knowing him.

You are going to have to provide serious proof rather then conspiracy theories and the deep state.

https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epstein-politicians-connections-donations-2019-7

Since 1990, Epstein has donated $147,426 to various Democrats and $18,250 to Republicans, according to the Center for Responsive Politics

Wow, clearly a true bipartisan.

Wow I am not sure what your conspiracy theory/deep state argument is about? So what if he donated to democrats? So what if he donated to Republicans. Even scumbags have that right.

Your article simply lists people through a couple decades and mainly known names. Many returned and I suspect many aren’t sure or couldn’t answer. Decline to state answers are usually printed. Unless of course you think your source is part of the liberal conspiracy with media.

Seriously; do you actually think the republicans and their donors are free of scumbags?

Also, why aren't you complaining about Gaetz and his problems of sex with a minor and sex trafficking involving a minor?

Unlike the people I listed, Matt Gaetz has not been convicted of, or charged with, any crime.

The investigation isn’t over. His people asked for an extension and he has done everything to stymie their efforts.

*shrugs* and they moved away from that. We are playing catch up since the previous year was pretty much wasted for serious coordinated planning.



You are being disingenuous. Well I will give you the chance for a source to that claim science believes it is the solution. It's not. It's part of the solution.

Good thing I didn't say it was the solution then. But once again, Democrats seem to live in a separate Universe from the real world.

Your comment about democrats deny the science saying it was a solution; kind of suggests you did.

I get you have a thing about democrats.

You are also mixing in political debate into the measure. For example; if we were going to replace all coal burning plants with an appropriate level of nuclear plants; guess who will be against that option?

Democrats.

ah. I must have missed all democratic parties change to support clean coal.

Nuclear has it's own set of problems. Do you want to set one up on or near the fault lines of Califonia? How about tornado areas? Hurricanes?

Argument from ignorance.

Nuclear Power Plants can survive tornados
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/tornado-alley-reactor-not-fully-twister-proof/

-In June 2010, a tornado ripped off siding off a building housing emergency equipment and knocked out one of two power sources at the Fermi nuclear plant in Michigan. An alert was declared, and the plant was stabilized.

-Tornadoes struck the Quad Cities nuclear power plant in northwestern Illinois in 1990 and 1996. In 1990, the plant’s security fence was damaged and the roof of one building blew onto a duct that connects the radioactive waste processing area to a venting stack. No radioactive gas was released. Six years later, a tornado damaged one of the unit’s secondary containment structures, leading to an alert and shutdown.

-In 1998, a tornado hit the Davis-Besse plant in Ohio, causing significant damage to electrical distribution systems, sirens and other “unfortified” structures, according to the NRC. There were no adverse effects to public health and safety.

They can also easily survive hurricanes

https://www.foronuclear.org/en/nuclear-power/questions-and-answers/on-nuclear-power/how-do-nuclear-power-plants-withstand-hurricanes/

2011, Hurricane Irene (category 3): 24 nuclear reactors in 15 sites located between North Carolina and New England safely resisted.
2005, Hurricane Katrina (category 5): Unit 3 of the Waterford nuclear power plant in Louisiana was shut off after the electricity supply was lost due to the hurricane. All emergency equipment functioned according to plan and operated the emergency diesel generators for 4.5 days,
2004, Hurricane Jeanne (category 3): The operator of the St.Lucie nuclear power plant in Florid shut off its two units after the hurricane caused an exterior loss of energy supply.
1992, Hurricane Andrew (category 5): The operator of the Turkey Point nuclear power plant in South Florida shut off units 3 and 4 after the hurricane cut off exterior electric energy supply. The emergency diesel generators were used for six days.

Ok. I guess you don’t understand the comment. They simply can’t be built every where. But hey…..

Since we really don't have a strong solution for carbon neutral; they are part of the equation. We do have 55 in the US.

And?

What exactly is your point? Children are harmed doing miscarriage's all the time. There really isn't a test to say yes this just happened. Shall we start prosecuting women every time one is reported? Medical people do hear about them as women tend to freak when it happens and call......

Why are pro-choice arguments so consistently dishonest non sequiturs?

Why are pro-lifers about imagery of torture and killing babies?

[Cekoviu]

Why are pro-choice arguments so consistently dishonest non sequiturs?

Why are pro-lifers about imagery of torture and killing babies?

how are you managing to make crockerland look like the reasonable one in this argument like you realize this is literally a dishonest non-sequitur and completely proving his point

[The Black Forrest]

Why are pro-lifers about imagery of torture and killing babies?

how are you managing to make crockerland look like the reasonable one in this argument like you realize this is literally a dishonest non-sequitur and completely proving his point

The problem? There is an planned parenthood over my way and they protest it many times. The imagery is about killing and pain.

Even with the original comments; he took two quotes from a person. Cut out a line which changed the meaning between the two comments so he could snark irony.

Even in this silly exchange; he started with a sweeping generalization. Sure a better response could be been offered. Would it have mattered?

[Thanatttynia]

Lol I knew polarization in America was bad but I really gasped at this thread. Exhibits a b c d e prove US liberals are exactly as unhinged as deepest end of QAnon. Gives me a strong urge to be a gadfly so I have a few comments/questions:

the core motivating engine of the republican party is white-conservative-christian power and social dominance, within a particular paradigm that involves never actually admitting this to be the case as a result of the overton window shifts created by the civil rights' movement (the 1960's social upheaval in general, but the inherent racialization of the crm in particular)

Are Republicans aware that their "core motivating engine" is "white-conservative-christian power" or is this impulse subconscious? If as you say it is covert because of "overton window shifts" how does it replicate itself within the institution of the Republican party? Are there initiation rites or do naturally racist people just naturally congregate and organize together within the Republican party like hivemind aliens?

I suspect the future barring blatant rigging of elections is of the Whigs in 20-30 years. The Whigs were a xenophobic party against Irish, German, and other immigration for not being Anglo-Saxon. The GOP is as it stands, the exact same as the Whigs.

To reduce the collapse of a political party representing an entire school of thought to it being "xenophobic" - in the mid 19th century! - and then glide sans thought sans reasons sans everything to identify it with a completely different party representing a completely different school of thought within a completely different context - because it too has this nebulous mark of xenophobia hanging over it - is one of the most laughably reductive things I've read on the internet in a while.

See, the thing about the right-wing is they are obedient by nature. On the left, we can agree on 99% of things but also "no decriminalization isn't good enough I want legal shrooms, you wanna have a cage fight to the death, fine, bring it!"

If this magical typology stuff was fed into a machine it would malfunction in seconds. Culturally conservative libertarians? Authoritarian communists? How can you sit there straight faced and pontificate that one political stripe is more "obedient by nature" than another? If covid has taught us anything it's that liberals and leftists are plenty obedient when the directive is dressed as Science TM. Where is the leftist or liberal covid disobedience? Or is another part of this typology that the right wing is "stupid by nature" and leftists/liberals are too smart to disagree with Science TM?

I promise you that you and me both are being pulled apart and shaped by exactly as many forces as every other person in today's world. Pls invest in a mirror and reflect. Until you do this you are zero threat to whatever system you think the other side is propping up.

Well I can't predict the future but I know what would happen if the Reps did gain the power most of them want.

A fascist state with a oligarchy governance (A la~ modern day Russia, there's a reason why so many Reps like the place now) and conservative Christian and conservative societal policies. (Stripping rights from women and minorities, banning abortion, militarizing the police, jailing/executing intellectuals and scientists that speak out against them, etc...)

Unadulterated hysteria and another great example of this bizarro-moralistic-psychological understanding of politics so prevalent amongst liberals today. Before we even get into your judgement that this is Republicans' secret desire, how would this happen? Why did the jailing/execution of intellectuals and scientists not happen in Republican states under Trump?

The Republican party platform is currently that of an anti-reality white nationalist death cult. That's not attracting many people who haven't already drunk the Koolaid. The future of the Republican Party isn't about finding more rational or popular policy positions, but rather provoking fear responses and eliminating democracy altogether so their politicians don't have to compete against more popular challengers.

??? "anti-reality white nationalist death cult" is so deranged I dont think it deserves a response. Suffice to say that it gets more unhinged with every word, its kind of impressive. Your assessment of Republican strategy as "provoking fear responses and eliminating democracy" is funny bc you are literally describing all elite electioneering within all liberal democracies. Do you think the Democrats ever engage in something similar? Do you believe the Democratic party is interested in finding the most "rational or popular policy positions"? Perhaps a particular wing of the Democratic party?

Lastly a general question for those who believe such things as above because I am genuinely interested. How is political change possible within an electoral system that is apparently a yes/no referendum on would you like to live in a fascist theocracy? I assume that given your stated beliefs you all vote Democrat every election you can - if I believe what you all do I certainly would - so what is your plan now? Stick with electoral politics knowing you are wedded by fear into existing within a self-imposed psychic one-party-state? Or something else?

[Lady Victory]

Lol I knew polarization in America was bad but I really gasped at this thread. Exhibits a b c d e prove US liberals are exactly as unhinged as deepest end of QAnon. Gives me a strong urge to be a gadfly so I have a few comments/questions:

the core motivating engine of the republican party is white-conservative-christian power and social dominance, within a particular paradigm that involves never actually admitting this to be the case as a result of the overton window shifts created by the civil rights' movement (the 1960's social upheaval in general, but the inherent racialization of the crm in particular)

Are Republicans aware that their "core motivating engine" is "white-conservative-christian power" or is this impulse subconscious? If as you say it is covert because of "overton window shifts" how does it replicate itself within the institution of the Republican party? Are there initiation rites or do naturally racist people just naturally congregate and organize together within the Republican party like hivemind aliens?

I suspect the future barring blatant rigging of elections is of the Whigs in 20-30 years. The Whigs were a xenophobic party against Irish, German, and other immigration for not being Anglo-Saxon. The GOP is as it stands, the exact same as the Whigs.

To reduce the collapse of a political party representing an entire school of thought to it being "xenophobic" - in the mid 19th century! - and then glide sans thought sans reasons sans everything to identify it with a completely different party representing a completely different school of thought within a completely different context - because it too has this nebulous mark of xenophobia hanging over it - is one of the most laughably reductive things I've read on the internet in a while.

See, the thing about the right-wing is they are obedient by nature. On the left, we can agree on 99% of things but also "no decriminalization isn't good enough I want legal shrooms, you wanna have a cage fight to the death, fine, bring it!"

If this magical typology stuff was fed into a machine it would malfunction in seconds. Culturally conservative libertarians? Authoritarian communists? How can you sit there straight faced and pontificate that one political stripe is more "obedient by nature" than another? If covid has taught us anything it's that liberals and leftists are plenty obedient when the directive is dressed as Science TM. Where is the leftist or liberal covid disobedience? Or is another part of this typology that the right wing is "stupid by nature" and leftists/liberals are too smart to disagree with Science TM?

I promise you that you and me both are being pulled apart and shaped by exactly as many forces as every other person in today's world. Pls invest in a mirror and reflect. Until you do this you are zero threat to whatever system you think the other side is propping up.

Well I can't predict the future but I know what would happen if the Reps did gain the power most of them want.

A fascist state with a oligarchy governance (A la~ modern day Russia, there's a reason why so many Reps like the place now) and conservative Christian and conservative societal policies. (Stripping rights from women and minorities, banning abortion, militarizing the police, jailing/executing intellectuals and scientists that speak out against them, etc...)

Unadulterated hysteria and another great example of this bizarro-moralistic-psychological understanding of politics so prevalent amongst liberals today. Before we even get into your judgement that this is Republicans' secret desire, how would this happen? Why did the jailing/execution of intellectuals and scientists not happen in Republican states under Trump?

The Republican party platform is currently that of an anti-reality white nationalist death cult. That's not attracting many people who haven't already drunk the Koolaid. The future of the Republican Party isn't about finding more rational or popular policy positions, but rather provoking fear responses and eliminating democracy altogether so their politicians don't have to compete against more popular challengers.

??? "anti-reality white nationalist death cult" is so deranged I dont think it deserves a response. Suffice to say that it gets more unhinged with every word, its kind of impressive. Your assessment of Republican strategy as "provoking fear responses and eliminating democracy" is funny bc you are literally describing all elite electioneering within all liberal democracies. Do you think the Democrats ever engage in something similar? Do you believe the Democratic party is interested in finding the most "rational or popular policy positions"? Perhaps a particular wing of the Democratic party?

Lastly a general question for those who believe such things as above because I am genuinely interested. How is political change possible within an electoral system that is apparently a yes/no referendum on would you like to live in a fascist theocracy? I assume that given your stated beliefs you all vote Democrat every election you can - if I believe what you all do I certainly would - so what is your plan now? Stick with electoral politics knowing you are wedded by fear into existing within a self-imposed psychic one-party-state? Or something else?

Pro-tip: if you're arguing with Kowani you're probably wrong.

[Thanatttynia]

Pro-tip: if you're arguing with Kowani you're probably wrong.

?? I'll take my chances thanks

PS I'm not arguing with anyone. I'm trying to understand an aspect of Kowani's theory which seems illogical to me, I'm sure they won't mind

[Lady Victory]

Pro-tip: if you're arguing with Kowani you're probably wrong.

?? I'll take my chances thanks

PS I'm not arguing with anyone. I'm trying to understand an aspect of Kowani's theory which seems illogical to me, I'm sure they won't mind

I think he'd be more peeved that you called him a liberal lol.

[The Black Forrest]

Pro-tip: if you're arguing with Kowani you're probably wrong.

Hey I may not always be right; I am never wrong.

Besides it is a waste of time to argue with an AI.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I disagree with Kowani on nationalism.

As for the GOP, I expect it to continue to fall down the rabbit hole of insanity. I think QAnon and the storming of the U.S. capital are just the beginning. Post-modern conservatism will get even more well.. post-truth and post-modern.

[Lady Victory]

I disagree with Kowani on nationalism.

As for the GOP, I expect it to continue to fall down the rabbit hole of insanity. I think QAnon and the storming of the U.S. capital are just the beginning. Post-modern conservatism will get even more well.. post-truth and post-modern.

That's probably because nationalism is one of the few things Kowani is totally wrong about.

[The Black Forrest]

I disagree with Kowani on nationalism.

As for the GOP, I expect it to continue to fall down the rabbit hole of insanity. I think QAnon and the storming of the U.S. capital are just the beginning.

They are pretty much a Frankenstein party which I think they have come to the limits of appeasing with policies. This is why we have the “theatrics”

They have:
* Christian conservatives.
* Qanon
* Tea party/Trumpests (are they the same?)
* Fiscal conservatives
* Tradition conservatives.
* maybe some moderates a possibly somebody who thinks they are liberal.

Granted I am simplifying….

I think they would LOVE to punt abortion. The problem? That’s a chunk of their base. The same goes for gay rights.

Qanon and trumpests are basically an unfortunate need. I think they would eject them if they could.

There only hope seems to be conspiracy theories and the deep state.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Qanon and trumpests are basically an unfortunate need. I think they would eject them if they could.

The party elite certainly would but QAnon and Trump supporters make up most of the base. The pro and anti-Trump elements of the base are probably 95 to 5.

[Thanatttynia]

?? I'll take my chances thanks

PS I'm not arguing with anyone. I'm trying to understand an aspect of Kowani's theory which seems illogical to me, I'm sure they won't mind

I think he'd be more peeved that you called him a liberal lol.

That particular understanding of the Republican party is one I've always encountered from liberals (whether proud or crypto-whatever else) so I made that jump. If he's not then that's my bad - but I also don't mean it as a slur lol, I like and respect plenty of liberals outside the political realm

[The Reformed American Republic]

I think he'd be more peeved that you called him a liberal lol.

That particular understanding of the Republican party is one I've always encountered from liberals (whether proud or crypto-whatever else) so I made that jump. If he's not then that's my bad - but I also don't mean it as a slur lol, I like and respect plenty of liberals outside the political realm

Kowani's further left than liberalism; he is some type of socialist.

[New Rogernomics]

The Republican Party is gearing more towards the religious-nationalism and quasi-fascism we've seen in Poland and Hungary, especially with popular political figures of the Republican party heaping praise on quasi-fascist populists like Orban in Hungary, and the Law and Justice Party figures of Poland.

I would hope that the Republican Party steps back from its more extreme policies after 2024-2028, though there is no guarantee of that.

It is likely America is going to have a reckoning with the Republican Party if they don't step back, given how many state legislatures they hold, and their regressive social policies flying in the face of public opinion.

Though apparently they've had to wave the white flag on same-sex marriage for now: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/1 ... ars-505041