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Postby Serbia-Macebonia » Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:43 pm

Essentially spinning this off a discussion in the Afghanistan thread. The future of the Reoublican party is one of uncertainty and the moment. Will it embrace Donald Trump and continue down the path of populism? Or will it reestablish and cement its evangelical, moderate conservative roots. I found found a great, semi outdated article on the factions within the GOP that will determine its future.

Source: TheConversation.com

In the second impeachment trial of Donald Trump, seven out of 50 Republican senators voted to convict the former president of inciting insurrection. This has raised more questions than it has answered about where the Republican Party is going.

It still looks like Trump’s party, but for how long? Bill Cassidy, one of the seven Republican senators who voted to convict Trump, says Trump’s power over the party will “wane”. He will certainly hope so. The Republican Party of Louisiana has already censured Cassidy for his disloyalty to Trump.

On the other hand, Lindsey Graham, one of Trump’s top allies, believes Trump and his supporters are so important to the future of the party that Republicans should nominate his daughter-in-law to replace retiring Senator Richard Burr (who voted to convict).

Some in the party see Trump as a major liability who will only get more toxic. He is the first president since 1932 to oversee the loss of the White House and both houses of Congress in a single term. Joe Biden got the highest vote share of any presidential challenger since 1932 in the highest-turnout election since 1900, earning 7 million more votes than Trump.

However much Trump energised his supporters, he energised more of his opponents.


However much Trump energised his supporters, he energised his opponents more. Kamil Krzaczynski/EPA/AAP
Despite all this, Republicans came within 90,000 votes of winning both houses of Congress and the presidency in 2020. Many Republicans believe Trump is an electoral asset who helped them outperform expectations and narrow the Democrats’ margins nationwide.

Unlike in 2012, there won’t be a Republican Party autopsy of the election defeat. Large numbers of Republicans doubt the outcome of the election, and most of the party’s legislators are unwilling to tell them otherwise.

In any case, the party went in the opposite direction from the path of moderation that the last autopsy recommended, and within four years they were back in control of the whole federal government.

So what might the future hold?

The party is unlikely to split
The Republican Party has a huge and energetic pro-Trump base that controls the grassroots machinery of the party. It also represents a formidable primary voting bloc.

It has a much smaller but high-profile faction that wants to leave Trump behind, with significant representation among legislators, donors and media commentators.

For now, the two sides are stuck with each other.

In the past few weeks, figures on both sides have threatened to form new parties if they can’t control the direction of the GOP.

These threats have quickly evaporated. The most a new conservative party could achieve is to damage the electoral prospects of Republicans (something Trump might have contemplated in the face of the impeachment threat).

The American electoral system, which is winner-takes-all from top to bottom, is notoriously unforgiving to would-be third parties. Even people who feel alienated from their own parties are better off staying and fighting for power rather than forming a new party, which would never get anywhere near power.

It has been more than 160 years since divisions over slavery destroyed major parties in the United States. The Republican and Democratic parties have survived since the Civil War despite numerous fractures and even violent conflicts.

Congressional outcasts occasionally defect to the other major party. But, more often, members at odds with their party eventually retire and are replaced by new members more closely aligned with its direction. This process is one of the factors leading to the current polarisation of Congress.

Moderates are being policed more harshly than extremists
Newly elected representative Marjorie Taylor Greene has become the focus of concerns about right-wing extremism in the Republican Party. Greene has a long history of amplifying dangerous conspiracy theories on social media.

Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell warned that “loony lies and conspiracy theories” are “a cancer for the Republican Party and our country”. Greene fired back: “The real cancer for the Republican Party is weak Republicans who only know how to lose gracefully. This is why we are losing our country.”


Newly elected representative Marjorie Taylor Greene has a long history of amplifying conspiracy theories.
House Democrats moved to strip Greene of her membership of congressional committees after Republican leader Kevin McCarthy refused to discipline her.

Greene has been forced to back down from her support of QAnon and some conspiracy theories that congressional Republicans consider beyond the pale.

But Greene’s central conspiratorial grievance – that Trump was robbed of a rightful victory in the 2020 election – is an article of faith and a politically energising force for much of the Republican base. Trump raised US$255 million dollars off it in the weeks after the election.

Many Republicans in Congress acquiesced to the “stolen election” fantasy, some with the excuse that they are faithfully representing their constituents. Even McConnell waited weeks before acknowledging Biden’s victory.

Republicans who openly acknowledged Biden’s victory and dismissed claims of widespread election fraud faced anger and censure from state party organisations, as well as from Trump himself. Republicans who backed impeachment saw immediate retribution, and will almost certainly have to defeat well-supported primary challengers in the future.

The historical willingness of American conservatives to police extremism has been overstated. It doesn’t matter that Trump and Greene are poison to the larger electorate. Neither election losses nor the stigma of “extremism” are enough to kill right-wing political movements in America.

Accepting the Republican nomination in 1964, Barry Goldwater declared that “extremism in defence of liberty is no vice”. Goldwater went on to one of the largest electoral defeats in history, but within 15 years his movement, led by Ronald Reagan, had thoroughly conquered the Republican Party, taken the White House and reshaped American political culture. Trump’s followers have similar ambitions.

‘Trumpism’ without Trump could be tough to pull off
No one knows yet what role Trump will play in future Republican politics. His recent attack on McConnell suggests he at least wants to continue to punish Republicans he sees as disloyal. The possibility Trump could run again will make politics awkward for Republicans eager to claim his mantle for their own presidential ambitions.

The prospect of “Trumpism without Trump” has enticed conservatives and worried liberals ever since the Trump phenomenon began. Republicans have learned to rail against “globalism” and the “deep state”. They are unlikely to return to comprehensive immigration reform any time soon.


Trump has breathed new life into old conservative staples such as law and order and the perils of socialism. But Trump’s relationship with his supporters goes far beyond his political positions, or even the grievances and emotions he harnessed.

Trump’s appeal was based on the perception that he had unique gifts that no politician ever had. He cultivated a media image that made him synonymous, however incorrectly, with business success. His tireless verbal output, whether through Twitter or at endless rallies, created an alternative reality for his followers. Many saw him as chosen by God.

That kind of charismatic magic will be extremely difficult for any career politician to recapture. Republicans may discover that Trumpism is not a political movement but a business model, a model only ever designed for one benefactor.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:55 pm

okay yeah this is my jam
time for my effortpost on what the party is and where it's going culturally (not so much electorally because its very much complicated)

the tl;dr for anyone who doesn't want to read the whole thing is this-
the core motivating engine of the republican party is white-conservative-christian power and social dominance, within a particular paradigm that involves never actually admitting this to be the case as a result of the overton window shifts created by the civil rights' movement (the 1960's social upheaval in general, but the inherent racialization of the crm in particular)
this is complicated because of the corporate control of the upper level of the party (think your mitch mcconnells or john thunes) but the long-term trend is there

trump's greatest asset is not himself as a person or a cult figure-it is his opening the floodgates for what is, essentially, the last phase of the culture war started around the end of jim crow
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:13 pm

Kowani wrote:okay yeah this is my jam
time for my effortpost on what the party is and where it's going culturally (not so much electorally because its very much complicated)

the tl;dr for anyone who doesn't want to read the whole thing is this-
the core motivating engine of the republican party is white-conservative-christian power and social dominance, within a particular paradigm that involves never actually admitting this to be the case as a result of the overton window shifts created by the civil rights' movement (the 1960's social upheaval in general, but the inherent racialization of the crm in particular)
this is complicated because of the corporate control of the upper level of the party (think your mitch mcconnells or john thunes) but the long-term trend is there

trump's greatest asset is not himself as a person or a cult figure-it is his opening the floodgates for what is, essentially, the last phase of the culture war started around the end of jim crow


A tad more concise then what I was planning. Nothing to add….
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:38 am

Kowani had a solid point, I'd just add this;

A few years ago, I'd have wrongly said that the reactionary, hyper-nativist and aggressively populistic course the GOP was/is on was not a sustainable path to success nor even a path for short-term success. While the party might not last till, say, 2040 with the Trumpian ideology and mantra, it could easily last through the decades.

While the GOP has lost their footing in our suburbs and in our upper-classes, they benefit from the Dems being viewed as a party of the supposed coastal elites, the well-educated, the young professionals, etc etc. This allows them to bring in scores of working-class voters, union types, Latino/Black men, and much more formerly Democratic blocs. And if 2020 is any indication, the GOP is still growing and expanding in these coalitions.

The future of the GOP isn't one of dominance, but it isn't bleak electorally either. They still have a real chance to compete in 2024 and down the line in 2028 by "appearing" to have ditched laissez-faire economics and neoconservatism in favor of economic and social nationalism, reactionarist tendencies, and populism.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Aug 18, 2021 3:59 pm

I suspect the future barring blatant rigging of elections is of the Whigs in 20-30 years. The Whigs were a xenophobic party against Irish, German, and other immigration for not being Anglo-Saxon. The GOP is as it stands, the exact same as the Whigs.
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Postby Crockerland » Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:07 pm

Serbia-Macebonia wrote:Essentially spinning this off a discussion in the Afghanistan thread. The future of the Reoublican party is one of uncertainty and the moment. Will it embrace Donald Trump and continue down the path of populism? Or will it reestablish and cement its evangelical, moderate conservative roots.

The GOP was "moderate" when Bush/McCain/Romney were fighting to make LGBT people second class citizens in their own homes for literally no reason, define corporations as people, and fight for the right to dump acid mine drainage in our drinking water?

Must be that Susan Collins version of "moderate:" Putting aside partisanship and working across the aisle to do whatever benefits gigantic corporations the most.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:31 pm

Pretty much what Kowani said.

The Republican party embraced an uncontrollable form of reactionary anti-intellectualism a long time ago, and it keeps going further right because the most radical opportunists tend to get the most attention. People get caught up in it in a variety of ways, but the current endpoint is a rabid fusion of corporate propaganda and paranoia about some conspiracy. The conspiracy bit has been around since before the party existence, but in recent history it's been at it's most prevalent during the Red Scare (McCarthyism, anyone) and this Q bullshit. I don't think the lobbyists intended for the Q thing to catch on, that was more a consequence of the anti-intellectualism they promoted coupled with social media's algorithms. Now the post 9/11 Republicans have been forced to embrace it or be left behind, and I think it will only be a matter of time before a new set of opportunists take control of the mindless chaos and promote an agenda that's more aware of its own fascist nature.

No thanks to the Democrats, who yelled about Trump while refusing to do much substantial stuff to stop it. I've heard it compared to a ratchet, Republicans move things further right while Democrats block any movement left and instead pressure people to compromise.

And the companies might pander to one "side" or the other, but most all of them don't really give a shit because it's easy to promote their own agendas and make money. The worker continues to be screwed over as the wealth gap widens and the climate worsens.


Or that's my take, anyways, given all that's happened.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:39 pm

I don't trust myself to predict the future. I know that the Republican party, as it exists today, is not sustainable.

But - not to get too philosophical - but that's kind of always true of political parties. They always need to adapt an change, and always look a bit different decade-to-decade. It sure seems like the current trajectory of the Republican party is to drive itself straight into the ground, but maybe they'll weasel out of it?

If they don't, then I expect their demise to be slow and painful for everyone. I would love to be wrong about that, but I'm not hopeful.
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:59 pm

Serbia-Macebonia wrote:The future of the Reoublican party is one of uncertainty and the moment. Will it embrace Donald Trump and continue down the path of populism? Or will it reestablish and cement its evangelical, moderate conservative roots.

It's not really that uncertain tbh (at least idt so, hopefully I'm wrong though). It will continue to be cannibalized by its looniest fringes, who will continue to ally with increasingly unsavory paramilitary elements and probably eventually make a(nother) poorly thought out run at seizing national power by force; this will either result in the party becoming some sort of nightmarish & absurd patronage-based feeding frenzy of personalist dysfunction and gangsterism if it does take control, or in becoming basically a quasi-legal right-wing terror organization campaigning against the state if it fails to seize power by force again (how effective such a terror campaign would be is anyone's guess)

it's already getting hard to tell where the GOP starts and Q-adjacent groups & media personalities stop, and there are no brakes on this train
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Postby Page » Thu Aug 19, 2021 12:47 am

The thing about Republican voters is they will put up with things they don't like so long as they get at least one big thing they do like. Middle-class white "moderates" might have a nuanced stance on abortion and a more compassionate take on immigration, but if you give them a big enough tax cut, they will swallow criminalization of abortion and migrants in concentration camps. Conversely, give the Evangelicals and reactionaries a potent fix of culture war and they'll put up with the Republicans' misconduct. They'll rationalize away "grab them by the pussy."

See, the thing about the right-wing is they are obedient by nature. On the left, we can agree on 99% of things but also "no decriminalization isn't good enough I want legal shrooms, you wanna have a cage fight to the death, fine, bring it!"

So the Republicans aren't in nearly as much trouble as you think, especially since we know now beyond a shadow of a doubt that manipulating people with culture war shit will let you take away their health care and destroy their environment without them caring.
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Postby Nationalist Northumbria » Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:18 am

The Serbian Empire wrote:I suspect the future barring blatant rigging of elections is of the Whigs in 20-30 years. The Whigs were a xenophobic party against Irish, German, and other immigration for not being Anglo-Saxon. The GOP is as it stands, the exact same as the Whigs.

Don't like the Whigs but this is a gross misrepresentation and untrue
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Postby New haven america » Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:45 am

Well I can't predict the future but I know what would happen if the Reps did gain the power most of them want.

A fascist state with a oligarchy governance (A la~ modern day Russia, there's a reason why so many Reps like the place now) and conservative Christian and conservative societal policies. (Stripping rights from women and minorities, banning abortion, militarizing the police, jailing/executing intellectuals and scientists that speak out against them, etc...)
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New haven america wrote:Well I can't predict the future but I know what would happen if the Reps did gain the power most of them want.

A fascist state with a oligarchy governance (A la~ modern day Russia, there's a reason why so many Reps like the place now) and conservative Christian and conservative societal policies. (Stripping rights from women and minorities, banning abortion, militarizing the police, jailing/executing intellectuals and scientists that speak out against them, etc...)


What you're describing is not in any way what would happen. Scientists and intellectuals would not be jailed, rights would not be stripped from women or minorities, and the US would not become a fascist oligarchy. No conservative that I know likes Russia.

Please, stop spewing whatever shit you see on Twitter.
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Postby Crockerland » Thu Aug 19, 2021 7:16 am

New haven america wrote:Well I can't predict the future but I know what would happen if the Reps did gain the power most of them want.

A fascist state with a oligarchy governance (A la~ modern day Russia, there's a reason why so many Reps like the place now) and conservative Christian and conservative societal policies. (Stripping rights from women and minorities, banning abortion, militarizing the police, jailing/executing intellectuals and scientists that speak out against them, etc...)

Republicans: The sky is blue.
Democrats: Why would you say the sky is green? You are a neo-nazi.

US politics are wild; Democrats live in a completely different universe and just totally ignore the real world.

You got abortion right though, we should not allow anyone to harm children.
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Serbia-Macebonia wrote:Please, stop spewing whatever shit you see on Twitter.

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New haven america wrote:Well I can't predict the future but I know what would happen if the Reps did gain the power most of them want.

A fascist state with a oligarchy governance (A la~ modern day Russia, there's a reason why so many Reps like the place now) and conservative Christian and conservative societal policies. (Stripping rights from women and minorities, banning abortion, militarizing the police, jailing/executing intellectuals and scientists that speak out against them, etc...)

Republicans: The sky is blue.
Democrats: Why would you say the sky is green? You are a neo-nazi.

US politics are wild; Democrats live in a completely different universe and just totally ignore the real world.

We uh... we just gonna ignore how the Republicans have bought into a conspiracy theory made up by some internet rando and have been denying even the most basic of medical science for the past couple years?
You got abortion right though, we should not allow anyone to harm children.

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Necroghastia wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Republicans: The sky is blue.
Democrats: Why would you say the sky is green? You are a neo-nazi.

US politics are wild; Democrats live in a completely different universe and just totally ignore the real world.

We uh... we just gonna ignore how the Republicans have bought into a conspiracy theory made up by some internet rando

Conspiracy theory? Do you mean the Russian Interference one?
Necroghastia wrote:and have been denying even the most basic of medical science for the past couple years?

Oh okay, you mean the 58 genders thing.
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Crockerland wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:
We uh... we just gonna ignore how the Republicans have bought into a conspiracy theory made up by some internet rando

Conspiracy theory? Do you mean the Russian Interference one?

No she means the QAnon one.
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Crockerland wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:
We uh... we just gonna ignore how the Republicans have bought into a conspiracy theory made up by some internet rando

Conspiracy theory? Do you mean the Russian Interference one?

Pretty sure that was a reference to the theory that most people above the median income in Washington, New York, and Los Angeles are involved in satanic child trafficking and cannibalism?
Necroghastia wrote:and have been denying even the most basic of medical science for the past couple years?

Oh okay, you mean the 58 genders thing.

“the 58 genders thing” lol or the “wearing masks in a respiratory pandemic thing” or the “not pouring ever more pollution into a dying planet’s biosphere” thing or— well if I’m going to get to work I’d better stop but you get the idea
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Postby Tremulo » Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:08 am

Both sides have their wacky elements, and both sides have their sensible elements. Arguing over them is pointless. Trying to predict them is pointless. Support what you like, keep an eye on both sides, and chill. This's why NSG has such a bad reputation.
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Senkaku wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Conspiracy theory? Do you mean the Russian Interference one?

Pretty sure that was a reference to the theory that most people above the median income in Washington, New York, and Los Angeles are involved in satanic child trafficking and cannibalism?
Oh okay, you mean the 58 genders thing.

“the 58 genders thing” lol or the “wearing masks in a respiratory pandemic thing” or the “not pouring ever more pollution into a dying planet’s biosphere” thing or— well if I’m going to get to work I’d better stop but you get the idea

^^^^ dont forget the mind controlling magnetic gps microchips in vaccines lol
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:28 am

The Republican party platform is currently that of an anti-reality white nationalist death cult. That's not attracting many people who haven't already drunk the Koolaid. The future of the Republican Party isn't about finding more rational or popular policy positions, but rather provoking fear responses and eliminating democracy altogether so their politicians don't have to compete against more popular challengers.
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Postby Page » Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:55 am

Wallenburg wrote:The Republican party platform is currently that of an anti-reality white nationalist death cult. That's not attracting many people who haven't already drunk the Koolaid. The future of the Republican Party isn't about finding more rational or popular policy positions, but rather provoking fear responses and eliminating democracy altogether so their politicians don't have to compete against more popular challengers.


Okay, I guess I have to repeat this for emphasis. Middle-class white America will put up with all manner of insanity so long as they believe they will be financially better off under a Republican government. If it's between "the Earth is flat and 5g causes corona but here's a tax cut" and "totally rational but no tax cut", they will pick the tax cut. If the Republican politician is reading the Protocols of the Elders of Zion while inserting crystals into their orifices, all they have to do is say "tax cut" and well-off white people are fine with the rest.
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Postby Crockerland » Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:04 am

Senkaku wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Conspiracy theory? Do you mean the Russian Interference one?

Pretty sure that was a reference to the theory that most people above the median income in Washington, New York, and Los Angeles are involved in satanic child trafficking and cannibalism?

Well, obviously no one in the real world believes that "most people above the median income in Washington, New York, and Los Angeles" are involved in Satanic child trafficking. Once again, Democrats live in an alternative reality. No one thinks this.

There are indeed several large Democrat donors who have been caught committing rape or child abuse, such as Ed Buck, Jeffery Epstein, and Harvey Weinstein, if that's what you're referring to.

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Oh okay, you mean the 58 genders thing.

“the 58 genders thing” lol or the “wearing masks in a respiratory pandemic thing”

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Senkaku wrote:or the “not pouring ever more pollution into a dying planet’s biosphere” thing

The number of Democrats denying the scientific consensus on Nuclear Energy as a solution to this problem makes this a "glass houses" situation.

Necroghastia wrote:We uh... we just gonna ignore how the Republicans have [...] been denying even the most basic of medical science for the past couple years?

Necroghastia wrote:Children aren't ever harmed in the course of an abortion

Ironic.
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Postby Northern Connecticut » Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:09 am

I doubt the Republican party is going anywhere, sorry democrats. This Trumpism fad will most likely die out when trump dies.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:14 am

Crockerland wrote:
New haven america wrote:Well I can't predict the future but I know what would happen if the Reps did gain the power most of them want.

A fascist state with a oligarchy governance (A la~ modern day Russia, there's a reason why so many Reps like the place now) and conservative Christian and conservative societal policies. (Stripping rights from women and minorities, banning abortion, militarizing the police, jailing/executing intellectuals and scientists that speak out against them, etc...)

Republicans: The sky is blue.
Democrats: Why would you say the sky is green? You are a neo-nazi.

US politics are wild; Democrats live in a completely different universe and just totally ignore the real world.

You got abortion right though, we should not allow anyone to harm children.



Republicans ultimately do the same thing.

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