Macron sues billboard owner for depicting him as Hitler

[Parxland]

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[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Billboard using freedom of expression. Just like Charlie Hebdo magazine, there is freedom of expression. (picture) On the other hand, while reading Charlie Hebdo magazine, I feel how much humor gives me pleasure in my whole body. The political Islam game is over. Emmanuel Macron may have made a mistake, but I appreciate his fight against political Islam

The thing is that France, like many nations, does not have absolute freedom of speech like the US. There’s actually a lot of restrictions on what you can say in France from anti-hate speech laws to anti-Nazi laws to desecration of national symbols. Yes in France you can go to jail if you burn or destroy the French flag.

So this whole thing isn’t freedom of expression under French laws because the President is protected from insults, also the protection from insults only extends to the President really.

Meanwhile the other is freedom of speech because mocking a dead guy is perfectly legal

Burning a flag in Europe can be seen as a democratic act, but it is never welcome on Turkish soil.We see the attack against the flags representing a nation as a fascistic attack. I see it as a democratic move to juxtapose someone with the Nazi flag is freedom of expression. I can't understand why books like Nazi flag and Mein Kampf were banned, banning history prevents us from learning from it, the nazi flag should not be seen as a terrorist flag. PKK and YPG symbols are forbidden in Turkey because they never wanted to be a country like Ottoman or Armenia.

[Estado Novo Portugues]

Although, is it a Napoleanic law? that would make more sense

No, the law was introduced in 1881, during the Third French Republic. Napoleon's reign ended in 1815. But the concept of lèse-majesté (insulting the head of state, or desecrating state symbols) is pre-Napoleonic, and even pre-monarchy, in fact dating back to the Roman Empire.

also the protection from insults only extends to the President really.

Actually, it's illegal to insult anybody in France, except that the penalty is greater if it's a public official. So hypothetically, if you called your neighbor an asshole and they complained to the police, in France you could get fined for that.

[Ors Might]

The thing is that France, like many nations, does not have absolute freedom of speech like the US. There’s actually a lot of restrictions on what you can say in France from anti-hate speech laws to anti-Nazi laws to desecration of national symbols. Yes in France you can go to jail if you burn or destroy the French flag.

So this whole thing isn’t freedom of expression under French laws because the President is protected from insults, also the protection from insults only extends to the President really.

Meanwhile the other is freedom of speech because mocking a dead guy is perfectly legal

These are very reasonable restrictions on the right to free speech; it helps to protect the authority of the state.

If authority can be undermined by a lazy Hitler comparison, then the authority of the state is already too weak to survive.

[Ostroeuropa]

He later tweeted: “In Macron-land, showing the Prophet’s rear is satire, making fun of Macron as a dictator is blasphemy,” referring to the satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo’s controversial caricatures of the Prophet Muhammed.

One is dead and has been for hundreds of years. The other is alive. This is a stupid comparison.

[Ors Might]

He later tweeted: “In Macron-land, showing the Prophet’s rear is satire, making fun of Macron as a dictator is blasphemy,” referring to the satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo’s controversial caricatures of the Prophet Muhammed.

One is dead and has been for hundreds of years. The other is alive. This is a stupid comparison.

It’s still pretty ridiculous that mocking Macron is punishable by law.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Billboard using freedom of expression. Just like Charlie Hebdo magazine, there is freedom of expression. (picture) On the other hand, while reading Charlie Hebdo magazine, I feel how much humor gives me pleasure in my whole body. The political Islam game is over. Emmanuel Macron may have made a mistake, but I appreciate his fight against political Islam

The thing is that France, like many nations, does not have absolute freedom of speech like the US. There’s actually a lot of restrictions on what you can say in France from anti-hate speech laws to anti-Nazi laws to desecration of national symbols. Yes in France you can go to jail if you burn or destroy the French flag.

So this whole thing isn’t freedom of expression under French laws because the President is protected from insults, also the protection from insults only extends to the President really.

Meanwhile the other is freedom of speech because mocking a dead guy is perfectly legal

That doesn't change that they won Canadian and American support during the Charlie Hebdo massacre by pretending to be standing up for freedom of speech, and then pulled the rug out from Canadian and American feet by turning out not to value freedom of speech after all.

[Thermodolia]

The thing is that France, like many nations, does not have absolute freedom of speech like the US. There’s actually a lot of restrictions on what you can say in France from anti-hate speech laws to anti-Nazi laws to desecration of national symbols. Yes in France you can go to jail if you burn or destroy the French flag.

So this whole thing isn’t freedom of expression under French laws because the President is protected from insults, also the protection from insults only extends to the President really.

Meanwhile the other is freedom of speech because mocking a dead guy is perfectly legal

That doesn't change that they won Canadian and American support during the Charlie Hebdo massacre by pretending to be standing up for freedom of speech, and then pulled the rug out from Canadian and American feet by turning out not to value freedom of speech after all.

That’s on the Anglos for being stupid and thinking everyone is like them. In the US it’s perfectly legal to burn the flag. In France it’s a jailable offense.

That’s just one example out of many. The Anglos just assumed that everyone was like them, same thing happens with Gun control and police where the North Americans all believe that Europeans have the same laws and policing as the UK. When in reality it’s easier to get a gun in France than the UK and the French police are a lot more brutal and militarized than the UK

[Rusozak]

Godwin approves of this thread.

Does Godwin's law apply if the topic is specifically involving Hitler?

[Ostroeuropa]

One is dead and has been for hundreds of years. The other is alive. This is a stupid comparison.

It’s still pretty ridiculous that mocking Macron is punishable by law.

I agree. It's ridiculous. I'd have more sympathy if this were censorship under a covid crackdown (I.E, "You are not allowed to peddle your anti-vax idiocy during a global pandemic."), but "You can't make fun of politicians" is eye-roll worthy.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

It’s still pretty ridiculous that mocking Macron is punishable by law.

I agree. It's ridiculous. I'd have more sympathy if this were censorship under a covid crackdown (I.E, "You are not allowed to peddle your anti-vax idiocy during a global pandemic."), but "You can't make fun of politicians" is eye-roll worthy.

Hasn't this pandemic taught us we can't trust the government to say what is or isn't "misinformation" anyway?

[Ostroeuropa]

I agree. It's ridiculous. I'd have more sympathy if this were censorship under a covid crackdown (I.E, "You are not allowed to peddle your anti-vax idiocy during a global pandemic."), but "You can't make fun of politicians" is eye-roll worthy.

Hasn't this pandemic taught us we can't trust the government to say what is or isn't "misinformation" anyway?

I'd only be sympathetic if it were strictly limited to anti-vax stuff.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Hasn't this pandemic taught us we can't trust the government to say what is or isn't "misinformation" anyway?

I'd only be sympathetic if it were strictly limited to anti-vax stuff.

You're missing the point. You'd be legitimizing the notion that government whims are a more valid gauge of this than open debate. China has already shown us where that leads.

[Great Algerstonia]

I agree. It's ridiculous. I'd have more sympathy if this were censorship under a covid crackdown (I.E, "You are not allowed to peddle your anti-vax idiocy during a global pandemic."), but "You can't make fun of politicians" is eye-roll worthy.

Hasn't this pandemic taught us we can't trust the government to say what is or isn't "misinformation" anyway?

It very much has. It is nothing more than a buzzword these days.

[Imperium of Dragonia]

Seems like certain Frenchmen take to being insulted just as well as Islamists take Mohammad being insulted. All that's needed is a police raid on the guy's house and the comparison is complete.

I agree. It's ridiculous. I'd have more sympathy if this were censorship under a covid crackdown (I.E, "You are not allowed to peddle your anti-vax idiocy during a global pandemic."), but "You can't make fun of politicians" is eye-roll worthy.

Hasn't this pandemic taught us we can't trust the government to say what is or isn't "misinformation" anyway?

I trust the government to keep us safe from the virus just as much as I trust a Crips member to not mug or shoot me.

[Kowani]

Verdict: Guilty, €10,000 fine

[Vassenor]

Verdict: Guilty, €10,000 fine

So France has slid right back to Lèse-majesté.

[Isle of Westland]

Ahah gotchu Monsieur Macron, that's exactly what Hitler would do!

[Suriyanakhon]

I don't really like Macron, but I hope he wins.

It's stupid to compare every politician with the Nazis. It's demeaning to history.

And besides, people should get vaccinated anyway. The French need to quit acting like brats, and anti-vaxxers should be put down and kept out of influence as much as possible.

But I thought the whole thing with the cartoons of Mohammed was that it was an essential right to be able to satirise public figures.

Why are you projecting a straw man liberal onto a TradCath.

[Vassenor]

But I thought the whole thing with the cartoons of Mohammed was that it was an essential right to be able to satirise public figures.

Why are you projecting a straw man liberal onto a TradCath.

So what were Macron's statements in the wake of Charlie Hebdo?

[Antipatros]

Why are you projecting a straw man liberal onto a TradCath.

So what were Macron's statements in the wake of Charlie Hebdo?

Not from back then, but more recent: France's Macron refuses to condemn Charlie Hebdo cartoons of Prophet Muhammad

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Interesting that it's not out of place for a politician to sue like this. I'd like to read what the suit claims say but I can't find them. In English, anyway.

[Suriyanakhon]

Why are you projecting a straw man liberal onto a TradCath.

So what were Macron's statements in the wake of Charlie Hebdo?

Completely irrelevant to Salus' opinion lol.

[Vassenor]

So what were Macron's statements in the wake of Charlie Hebdo?

Completely irrelevant to Salus' opinion lol.

Macron being a hypocrite is irrelevant to Macron suing someone for criticising him?

[Suriyanakhon]

Completely irrelevant to Salus' opinion lol.

Macron being a hypocrite is irrelevant to Macron suing someone for criticising him?

No, Salus gave his opinion on Macron's recent decision, and you brought up the Muhammad cartoons out of nowhere like this one agreement means Salus must agree with Macron on everything.