Discuss: Ice cream v. Ice lollies

[Gim]

No. You were talking about whether gelato is organic or non-organic.

Natural or unnatural, as I've pointed out the definitions in previous post.

Either that's not really gelato, or you said something false. Pick one.

So, I've stated that my opinion is that gelato should be made of completely natural ingredients. Organic equates to natural in a dictionary site, but if the definition is incongruous with the user-written Wiki, then either of them is wrong. I'm not to blame.

We're here to state opinions as well, not just facts. Forcing me to pick a claim seems to be your tactic, but I'm sorry to say it's not working very well.

[Tremulo]

I don't know if its just me, but ice lollies/ice pops have a weird texture. Ice cream doesn't really have that problem.

Anyways, both are wrong. Shaved ice is best!

[Gim]

I don't know if its just me, but ice lollies/ice pops have a weird texture. Ice cream doesn't really have that problem.

Anyways, both are wrong. Shaved ice is best!

Oh, you mean, Bingsu? Man, pour condensed milk over it, and it tastes like heaven.

[Dakini]

That's a lie.

You claimed it was "organic" which is not the same as "natural", even though you seem to want it to be the same, the dictionary entries you linked indicate that they are not the same.

You never looked at the links properly, did you?

I did, which is why I saw a list of definitions and not just the Google preview part. Did you look at your links properly?

[Dakini]

No. You were talking about whether gelato is organic or non-organic.

Natural or unnatural, as I've pointed out the definitions in previous post.

Natural is not synonymous with organic, as your links demonstrated.

Either that's not really gelato, or you said something false. Pick one.

So, I've stated that my opinion is that gelato should be made of completely natural ingredients. Organic equates to natural in a dictionary site, but if the definition is incongruous with the user-written Wiki, then either of them is wrong. I'm not to blame.

We're here to state opinions as well, not just facts. Forcing me to pick a claim seems to be your tactic, but I'm sorry to say it's not working very well.

I didn't say this. Please learn to use quotes correctly.

Also, your idea of gelato is incompatible with the reality of what gelato is, as demonstrated repeatedly. We're definitely not here to just state opinions, this is a debate forum. If you have an opinion that does not correspond to established facts while insisting on carrying on as though your opinion is a fact, then people are going to debate you.

[Dakini]

lollies are for children

icecream is for adults

Which is sort of funny because adults are more likely to be lactose intolerant than children.

[Gim]

I did, which is why I saw a list of definitions and not just the Google preview part. Did you look at your links properly?

I referred to the Google preview, not the links.

Natural is not synonymous with organic, as your links demonstrated.

Google preview said otherwise.

I didn't say this. Please learn to use quotes correctly.

Unintentional, but the outcall is sketchy at best.

[Dakini]

I did, which is why I saw a list of definitions and not just the Google preview part. Did you look at your links properly?

I referred to the Google preview, not the links.

Then you're using the wrong reference because if you actually read the source, you see that there are seven definitions and the way you're using the word corresponds to none of them.

Natural is not synonymous with organic, as your links demonstrated.

Google preview said otherwise.

Then maybe you should learn that Google preview isn't always correct and you should view things in the greater context instead? I mean, your source later goes on to provide definitions, why are you insisting on ignoring them and instead focusing on a word that's not even a synonym?

I didn't say this. Please learn to use quotes correctly.

Unintentional, but the outcall is sketchy at best.

You know, there are words like "I'm sorry, my bad" that you could use here instead of victim blaming when you literally put words into another person's mouth.

[Forsher]

No. You were talking about whether gelato is organic or non-organic.

Natural or unnatural, as I've pointed out the definitions in previous post.

Nope.

So, I've stated that my opinion is that gelato should be made of completely natural ingredients.

If this is relevant, it's a no true scotsman. Otherwise, it's no different to my clamining "gumboots should be black". It's obviously not a statement that's true about how the world works, it's just one rando's opinion about what gumboots should be and who gives a fuck.

Organic equates to natural in a dictionary site,

Not the one you used.

but if the definition is incongruous with the user-written Wiki, then either of them is wrong. I'm not to blame.

You very much are to blame for how you've conducted yourself. For example... I've given you two other links that agree with Wikipedia and Wikipedia, of course, contains numerous further links to back up its claims. You, meanwhile, are insisting providing multiple definitions from a dictionary offering multiple and probably mutually exclusive definitions proves your point despite its categorically not doing so.

We're here to state opinions as well, not just facts. Forcing me to pick a claim seems to be your tactic, but I'm sorry to say it's not working very well.

You're being asked to explicitly acknowledge you used the word "organic" when you meant "natural" and to stop trying to claim there's some kind of equivalence.

[Gim]

Then you're using the wrong reference because if you actually read the source, you see that there are seven definitions and the way you're using the word corresponds to none of them.

And I gave you the Cambridge link which says the non-use of artificial ingredients, and you intentionally skipped that part.

Then maybe you should learn that Google preview isn't always correct and you should view things in the greater context instead? I mean, your source later goes on to provide definitions, why are you insisting on ignoring them and instead focusing on a word that's not even a synonym?

Why do you insist on ignoring the Cambridge link I sent you as a spoonfeed?

You know, there are words like "I'm sorry, my bad" that you could use here instead of victim blaming when you literally put words into another person's mouth.

Something you have failed to do for the last few posts. You can't expect the person you're attacking without substantiation to apologize for no reason.

[Forsher]

Something you have failed to do for the last few posts. You can't expect the person you're attacking without substantiation to apologize for no reason.

No, you blatantly misattributed something I wrote to Dakini. Dakini literally quoted you doing so.

If you're being attacked, it's not without substantiation.

[Tremulo]

I don't know if its just me, but ice lollies/ice pops have a weird texture. Ice cream doesn't really have that problem.

Anyways, both are wrong. Shaved ice is best!

Oh, you mean, Bingsu? Man, pour condensed milk over it, and it tastes like heaven.

I was thinking something more along the lines of Hawaiian shave ice, but Bingsu sounds good too.

[Gim]

No, you blatantly misattributed something I wrote to Dakini. Dakini literally quoted you doing so.

Yeah, okay. It's your quote. I got that.

If you're being attacked, it's not without substantiation.

No, it's the thought of Dakini attacking me, which I've portrayed, which I simply scoff and try to get her to understand things.

[Carrelie]

I do love ice creams, but ice lollies just have more varieties and don't melt immediately. Honestly either is good for a nice summer day

[Forsher]

No, it's the thought of Dakini attacking me, which I've portrayed, which I simply scoff and try to get her to understand things.

Fucking ridiculous.

First you were being attacked without substantiation. Now you're talking about having written about being attacked by Dakini.

Fanfiction with real people is weird. Don't do it.

I guess, maybe, it's a typo and you mean "which I've shown" or "which I've demonstrated" but who knows with you? You've spent three pages trying to validate one typo...

[Dakini]

Then you're using the wrong reference because if you actually read the source, you see that there are seven definitions and the way you're using the word corresponds to none of them.

And I gave you the Cambridge link which says the non-use of artificial ingredients, and you intentionally skipped that part.

You gave me a Cambridge link that had seven definitions and refused to state which one you were using.

Also, the top definition on that page was:

not using artificial chemicals in the growing of plants and animals for food and other products

Which is not "natural", but rather the typically understood definition of organic food, which is the same as definition #5 from your first source, but you've refused to tell me which of these ones you actually mean.

Then maybe you should learn that Google preview isn't always correct and you should view things in the greater context instead? I mean, your source later goes on to provide definitions, why are you insisting on ignoring them and instead focusing on a word that's not even a synonym?

Why do you insist on ignoring the Cambridge link I sent you as a spoonfeed?

The Cambridge link with seven definitions, none of which are "natural"?

You know, there are words like "I'm sorry, my bad" that you could use here instead of victim blaming when you literally put words into another person's mouth.

Something you have failed to do for the last few posts. You can't expect the person you're attacking without substantiation to apologize for no reason.

I haven't had anything to apologise for. I'm not attacking you, I've been attacking your half-assed arguments and refusal to answer simple questions. I'm sorry if you've felt attacked, but that was not my intention. You, however, have been using quote tags carelessly (even though I asked you to be more careful earlier in the thread because it was making responding to you difficult) and as a result of your carelessness, you attributed another poster's words to me.

[Duvniask]

So, Gim even managed to turn a thread about sweets into a shitfest. Impressive, but nonetheless annoying.

Ice cream is best btw.

[Kowani]

4 pages of what is, for all intents and purposes, nonsense
guess the foes list won’t really be helpful here…


though in regards to the original question, ice cream at least can be put in a cup when it starts to melt
with popsicles you just kind of have to eat faster

[Cannot think of a name]

4 pages of what is, for all intents and purposes, nonsense
guess the foes list won’t really be helpful here…


though in regards to the original question, ice cream at least can be put in a cup when it starts to melt
with popsicles you just kind of have to eat faster

I have copious facial hair, popsicles eventually fuze that into a rhino horn around my mouth.

[Cannot think of a name]

What the absolute fuck does any of that even mean?

What do you mean by "organic guaranteed"? I would interpret it to mean that it is guaranteed to be organic, which has never been true of gelato. Most gelato is made from conventional dairy products. "Organic" doesn't mean "non-imitation" or whatever you seem to be using it as.

Organic gelato made from freshly-picked and grown ingredients is possible but not common.
Just because a corporation calls an ice cream gelato doesn't mean it's always gelato.

Hasty generalization isn't coherent, either.

Are you saying it has to come from the gelato region of Italy, otherwise it's sparkling ice cream?

[Kowani]

4 pages of what is, for all intents and purposes, nonsense
guess the foes list won’t really be helpful here…


though in regards to the original question, ice cream at least can be put in a cup when it starts to melt
with popsicles you just kind of have to eat faster

I have copious facial hair, popsicles eventually fuze that into a rhino horn around my mouth.

that...seems inconvenient

[Cannot think of a name]

I have copious facial hair, popsicles eventually fuze that into a rhino horn around my mouth.

that...seems inconvenient

There's a lot to put up with for a facial affectation that makes me look somewhere between a homeless profit or a biker gang fanboy. And yet, I don't shave it. I am a mystery even to myself.

[The Blaatschapen]

Organic gelato made from freshly-picked and grown ingredients is possible but not common.
Just because a corporation calls an ice cream gelato doesn't mean it's always gelato.

Hasty generalization isn't coherent, either.

Are you saying it has to come from the gelato region, of Italy, otherwise it's sparkling ice cream?

The Gelato maffia, they put people on ice.

[Lescaaris]

Ice cream, mostly because I can sometimes bite into them. Never heard the term "ice lollies" before. Is it a nation-specific word or...?

[The Blaatschapen]

Ice cream, mostly because I can sometimes bite into them. Never heard the term "ice lollies" before. Is it a nation-specific word or...?

Popsicles.