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What should someone working in an exploitative/abusive job do?

Quit- the hardships of having no income will still be less than the potential health costs of staying in that role.
4
10%
Tough it out- quitting is for wimps and you're working so hard because you're trying to get ahead from the bottom or aren't so skilled yet.
0
No votes
Look for another job while working- it's important that you leave this job for something better, but in the meantime- you need to keep the income from it.
10
24%
Go back to school/college- you might get student debt, but if you graduate and land a good job- you're supposed to be able to pay it off.
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No votes
Sue the employer- if you get disabled or hurt because of this job, you need to extract compensation; even if a good lawyer might cost a lot.
7
17%
Go on strike- a labor union or unionizing that workplace will force the employer to change their ways to improve the workplace conditions.
15
36%
Become an entrepreneur- using their skill and borrowing enough to get it started, they can do a better job earning money than the work they're leaving.
2
5%
Pressure politicians/government to pass labor laws- if the law protected employees' rights more, this wouldn't happen.
4
10%
Other (explain)
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 42

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Diarcesia
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Postby Diarcesia » Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:46 am

GuessTheAltAccount wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:Tarring everyone with the same brush is almost never constructive.

Might I ask what you're referring to as an example of that, then?

Not you. It's the idiots who tarnished progressivism's credibility by presuming these market-worshippers not to care about the poor, even though some of them are poor. And usually that's with a side dish of "I know better than you, so do as I say."

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Major-Tom
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:04 pm

This is one of a series of endless examples that point to our need to strengthen collective bargaining power and our labor laws. Curtailing exploitative employees is a must for any developed country.

But what to do as an employee? The lawsuit sounds like the standard option, but in an ideal world, employees would organize when one of them becomes victimized. Collective action beats individual action 99 out of 100 times.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:25 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:Sounds like a workmans comp, disability claim by the employee


And yes making sure the guy is as injured as they claim is fairly typical

I was thinking the same thing, he's not the first guy that an employer kept an eye on to make sure he wasn't faking an injury.
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Postby GuessTheAltAccount » Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:47 pm

Major-Tom wrote:This is one of a series of endless examples that point to our need to strengthen collective bargaining power and our labor laws. Curtailing exploitative employees is a must for any developed country.

But what to do as an employee? The lawsuit sounds like the standard option, but in an ideal world, employees would organize when one of them becomes victimized. Collective action beats individual action 99 out of 100 times.

Imagine, then, how much more effective collective action would be if co-ordinated on the scale of, let's say, the hundreds of millions of Americans who are eligible to vote.

(Not all of whom would necessarily benefit from away from policies benefitting the 1%... but most of whom would, at the very least.)
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:03 pm

GuessTheAltAccount wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:This is one of a series of endless examples that point to our need to strengthen collective bargaining power and our labor laws. Curtailing exploitative employees is a must for any developed country.

But what to do as an employee? The lawsuit sounds like the standard option, but in an ideal world, employees would organize when one of them becomes victimized. Collective action beats individual action 99 out of 100 times.

Imagine, then, how much more effective collective action would be if co-ordinated on the scale of, let's say, the hundreds of millions of Americans who are eligible to vote.

(Not all of whom would necessarily benefit from away from policies benefitting the 1%... but most of whom would, at the very least.)


I can. It's been tried, but so far no candidate with that appeal has won. Doesn't mean we stop trying.

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:37 pm

Page wrote:No update to labor laws could possibly suffice. Sabotage and expropriation carried out by workers are, in my opinion, a morally justifiable response.

But also universal basic income and nationalize health care.

Ya sure? I mean we could just require that every time an employee gets their life ruined that a CEO has to forfeit everything
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Postby Sungoldy-China » Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:01 pm

Free!
The company can freely arrange employees’ working hours,
Employees can also choose their jobs freely

Companies do their best to personalize, independent, and atomize each person so that companies can conduct transactions and negotiations with independent individuals
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Ex-Nation

Postby Northern Socialist Council Republics » Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:31 am

Sungoldy-China wrote:Free!
The company can freely arrange employees’ working hours,
Employees can also choose their jobs freely

Companies do their best to personalize, independent, and atomize each person so that companies can conduct transactions and negotiations with independent individuals

This is essentially the heart of the issue. A person facing fewer constraints in their actions does not necessarily help them satisfy their expressed preferences.

People should be forbidden from working more than a designated number of hours per week.
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Postby Ayytaly » Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:49 pm

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Postby -ngxh » Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:54 pm

Page wrote:No update to labor laws could possibly suffice. Sabotage and expropriation carried out by workers are, in my opinion, a morally justifiable response.

But also universal basic income and nationalize health care.


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