Is it feasible to separate rural and urban America?

[Rio Cana]

Ya that's what the civil war decided. States/regions cannot secede.

The US constitution is clear on how to become a state but it seems they left out the part about what if you want out. Since that part was left out most likely courts take it that once your in you are in forever. Only way around this is to pass a constitutional amendment which allows states to leave after meeting certain legal requirements.

[Ethel mermania]

Wow, I wonder who really, really, REALLY dislikes Suburbs.

i live in one
it's hell
(also i have many sociological and political objections to suburbia as polity and cultural unit but those come later)

I don't know, I mean, I've been driving Subur ... wait, you mean ... never mind.

I do get tired of these "Should we break up the United States?" threads. Maybe we should concentrate on finding a way to work together as a country, which we have done before, rather than trying to find ways to keep people we don't like away from us.

nonsense! we'll just take our problems, and push them somewhere else!

Cleveland

[Kowani]

i live in one
it's hell
(also i have many sociological and political objections to suburbia as polity and cultural unit but those come later)

Could you kindly explain as to why you hate Suburbs?

give me a bit to have some more free time and then i'll give it a go

[Farnhamia]

Ya that's what the civil war decided. States/regions cannot secede.

The US constitution is clear on how to become a state but it seems they left out the part about what if you want out. Since that part was left out most likely courts take it that once your in you are in forever. Only way around this is to pass a constitutional amendment which allows states to leave after meeting certain legal requirements.

That was deliberate. The Union, going back to 1774 at least, was seen as perpetual. We refer to the Articles of Confederation but their full title was the "Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union." The Constitution says its purpose is to create a more perfect union, starting from the perpetual but largely unworkable union of the Articles. Basically, once you check in ...

[Ethel mermania]

The US constitution is clear on how to become a state but it seems they left out the part about what if you want out. Since that part was left out most likely courts take it that once your in you are in forever. Only way around this is to pass a constitutional amendment which allows states to leave after meeting certain legal requirements.

That was deliberate. The Union, going back to 1774 at least, was seen as perpetual. We refer to the Articles of Confederation but their full title was the "Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union." The Constitution says its purpose is to create a more perfect union, starting from the perpetual but largely unworkable union of the Articles. Basically, once you check in ...

No wonder we can't kill the beast

[Necroghastia]

If it were up to me, urban America would simply be deleted.

how the hell would that even work, practically speaking

[San Lumen]

If it were up to me, urban America would simply be deleted.

I beg your pardon? What are you implying?

[Farnhamia]

If it were up to me, urban America would simply be deleted.

how the hell would that even work, practically speaking

Everyone has their fantasies.

[San Lumen]

i live in one
it's hell
(also i have many sociological and political objections to suburbia as polity and cultural unit but those come later)


nonsense! we'll just take our problems, and push them somewhere else!

Cleveland

What do you have against Cleveland? That city has been on the rise in recent years.

[Farnhamia]

Cleveland

What do you have against Cleveland? That city has been on the rise in recent years.

Please check your sense of humor, I think it may need adjusting.

[San Lumen]

What do you have against Cleveland? That city has been on the rise in recent years.

Please check your sense of humor, I think it may need adjusting.

I don’t understand what the joke was supposed to be.

[Ethel mermania]

What do you have against Cleveland? That city has been on the rise in recent years.

Please check your sense of humor, I think it may need adjusting.

A whole new unit i think.

[The Temple of the Computer]

Cleveland

What do you have against Cleveland? That city has been on the rise in recent years.

It's Cleveland, that is good enough reason to hate it.

[San Lumen]

What do you have against Cleveland? That city has been on the rise in recent years.

It's Cleveland, that is good enough reason to hate it.

Could you be more specific? What do you dislike about it?

[Farnhamia]

Please check your sense of humor, I think it may need adjusting.

I don’t understand what the joke was supposed to be.

Cleveland is the joke. Their river used to catch fire regularly. It's funny to use it as an example of a bad urban area. And words with a hard C or K sound are inherently funny.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Wow, I wonder who really, really, REALLY dislikes Suburbs.

I don't know, I mean, I've been driving Subur ... wait, you mean ... never mind.

I do get tired of these "Should we break up the United States?" threads. Maybe we should concentrate on finding a way to work together as a country, which we have done before, rather than trying to find ways to keep people we don't like away from us.

Also I am a suburbanite so what happens to me?

[Ethel mermania]

I don't know, I mean, I've been driving Subur ... wait, you mean ... never mind.

I do get tired of these "Should we break up the United States?" threads. Maybe we should concentrate on finding a way to work together as a country, which we have done before, rather than trying to find ways to keep people we don't like away from us.

Also I am a suburbanite so what happens to me?

We change your oil every 5,000 miles, you will be fine.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Also I am a suburbanite so what happens to me?

We change your oil every 5,000 miles, you will be fine.

Lol but seriously, if you were to somehow dismantle suburbia what do you plan to with the millions of people who are there.

[Heloin]

there are bad takes and then there are bad takes

Wow, I wonder who really, really, REALLY dislikes Suburbs.

The waste of land and resources compared to nearly any other type of human community? I wonder why some people dislike them.

[Ethel mermania]

We change your oil every 5,000 miles, you will be fine.

Lol but seriously, if you were to somehow dismantle suburbia what do you plan to with the millions of people who are there.

Wasn't my stupid idea. Put them in the cities, where the price of housing will go up and make more people homeless i suppose.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Lol but seriously, if you were to somehow dismantle suburbia what do you plan to with the millions of people who are there.

Wasn't my stupid idea. Put them in the cities, where the price of housing will go up and make more people homeless i suppose.

I know you didn’t say it but I think it is a bad idea.

[The Serbian Empire]

Wow, I wonder who really, really, REALLY dislikes Suburbs.

I don't know, I mean, I've been driving Subur ... wait, you mean ... never mind.

I do get tired of these "Should we break up the United States?" threads. Maybe we should concentrate on finding a way to work together as a country, which we have done before, rather than trying to find ways to keep people we don't like away from us.

I don't think one can unite a group of xenophobic racists with the people subject to the bigotry. It's like there's frankly multiple Americas that are not the same country but contained within the borders all based on if one is white or BIPOC and if person is Democrat or Republican.

[Broader Confederate States]

The US constitution is clear on how to become a state but it seems they left out the part about what if you want out. Since that part was left out most likely courts take it that once your in you are in forever. Only way around this is to pass a constitutional amendment which allows states to leave after meeting certain legal requirements.

That was deliberate. The Union, going back to 1774 at least, was seen as perpetual. We refer to the Articles of Confederation but their full title was the "Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union." The Constitution says its purpose is to create a more perfect union, starting from the perpetual but largely unworkable union of the Articles. Basically, once you check in ...

Perpetual meant "without sunset clause", not "utterly invincible". The treaty between the US and the Lakotah regarding the Black Hills was perpetual, and it only took a couple years for them to find gold there, kick them off their land, and carve US presidents onto it, and that was only in the 1870s. Certainly, in TvW, the majority opinion was that secession could be legal in the case of revolution or consent of the other states.

Wow, I wonder who really, really, REALLY dislikes Suburbs.

I don't know, I mean, I've been driving Subur ... wait, you mean ... never mind.

I do get tired of these "Should we break up the United States?" threads. Maybe we should concentrate on finding a way to work together as a country, which we have done before, rather than trying to find ways to keep people we don't like away from us.

The US is an unsustainable size as is, it's either do it peacefully or do it by force, and I'd prefer we do it the peaceful way. Empires eventually fall, it's just a natural fact of life, and struggling only makes it worse. Maybe I am being pessimistic but I don't want to take chances on the alternative. In any case, it would allow for greater economic diversity -- not just in industries, but there could easily be socialist states that don't get COINTELPRO'd if their people want it.

[San Lumen]

I don't think one can unite a group of xenophobic racists with the people subject to the bigotry. It's like there's frankly multiple Americas that are not the same country but contained within the borders all based on if one is white or BIPOC and if person is Democrat or Republican.

We’re on the same page. I’m all for breaking up America. Washington doesn’t represent me.

How does it not represent you?

[The Jamesian Republic]

We’re on the same page. I’m all for breaking up America. Washington doesn’t represent me.

How does it not represent you?

Also Balkanizing America would probably make the situation worse.