Passport restriction of the Greek Cypriot administration

[Dowaesk]

Some people who dont realise that often equate modern Turkey and Islam. Its really not tbh. Unless Turkey is able to get rid of its fascist Ataturk Laws.

There is no place for political Islamist ideologies in Europe! Emmanuel Macron does his job very well.We gave the same answer to Sultan Vahdettin and his supporters a hundred years ago, and we continue to do so now. Hands off Cyprus ! The Ottoman Empire is over, you will accept it, then you will obey the Kemalists. Those who robbed Turkey for 19 years are political Islamists. Geldiğiniz Gibi Gideceksiniz !

F*ck Kemalism. And f**k Macron as well. Kemalism is fascism. And it must die. If Turkey says otherwise. Then may Turkey die along with it. Stop killing the Kurds. Death to Kemalist Fascism. The future is with freedom. Fascism has no place in the future.

[Quclington]

There is no place for political Islamist ideologies in Europe! Emmanuel Macron does his job very well.We gave the same answer to Sultan Vahdettin and his supporters a hundred years ago, and we continue to do so now. Hands off Cyprus ! The Ottoman Empire is over, you will accept it, then you will obey the Kemalists. Those who robbed Turkey for 19 years are political Islamists. Geldiğiniz Gibi Gideceksiniz !

F*ck Kemalism. And f**k Macron as well. Kemalism is fascism. And it must die. If Turkey says otherwise. Then may Turkey die along with it. Stop killing the Kurds. Death to Kemalist Fascism. The future is with freedom. Fascism has no place in the future.

So you are claiming that Kemalism, the ideology that greatly increased civil rights & political freedoms in Turkey, is "fascist"? Ironic.

[Punished UMN]

And of course you keep ignoring the entire 13+ years of a unified Cypriot republic which had only produced a failed state(...)

"Yes, we'll inflame geopolitical tensions, exploit an already deteriorating ethnic conflict that only concerns us marginally, use it as pretense to invade your island and then call you a failed state."

Epic turkochad logic

Cyprus was already having widespread ethnic massacres before any Turkish invasion.

[Punished UMN]

You are slandering, I reject all the slanders you have directed against me. There is a very beautiful sentence in Turkish, I want to answer you with this sentence ''kişi kendinden bilir işi'' No concessions to EOKA and its supporters, no concessions to fascism ! Yannis Lagos mentality has no business in the European Union and United Cyprus !

That is indeed a very beautiful sentence, allow me to express my thanks with an equally beautiful English sentence:

"All toasters toast toast."

"Elements of the Cypriot government" in this case meaning the President and several cabinet ministers (several of whom were in power as late as 2008), the opening stages of the plan (massacres and breaking of the international treaties) having taken places long before the coup.

Are the Turkish Cypriots a genocidal hivemind? Yes? No?
And what is with your constant pointing at present-day Cyprus? Do you think Turks or Turkish Cypriots are being genocided in modern Cyprus? Or that the modern Cypriot gov is planning to and/or calling for such a thing? Do you know that its current president was pro-Annan plan in 2004?

And of course you keep ignoring the entire 13+ years of a unified Cypriot republic which had only produced a failed state, and think that somehow Attila I was going to magically produce a more stable state when the international community was refusing to take any action. The expulsion of Greek cypriots was reprehensible, but I have yet to see any proposal for how Turkey is supposed to put Cyprus back together again (when it was really never "together" in the first place).

Aside from the fact that at this point you are being deliberately obtuse, I am going to repeat it again - the absence of magical solutions do not legitimize states to commit ethnic cleansing and illegal colonization. Yugoslavia being a collapsed mess by the early 90ies did not legitimize Serbia to try and eradicate Bosnia from the map. That's what people are judging Turkey for and no, nobody is obliged to come up with a magic masterplan, neither to you, nor to Turkey, just like nobody is obliged to explain to a wife murderer how else he was supposed to fix his broken marriage. And as I also said, repeatedly - a point that you also keep dodging - Turkey's action saw the complete eradication of the Turkish Cypriot community in the South as a direct and virtually unavoidable consequence, so your entire argument of "they did it because the anti-Turkish violence in the South wouldn't stop" is completely self-defeating.
And last but not least, to get to another point that you are ignoring on purpose, Turkey and Northern Cyprus are stuck in a foreign policies dead-end entirely of their own making.

Didn't say anything about Greek Cypriots being a hivemind so you're not being clever, I said that the Greek Cypriot government had been planning a genocide for a decade prior to the coup.

Presidents of Cyprus who had actually drawn up the plan for the ethnic massacres in the 60's were in office until 2008.

The analogy of the wife-murderer conveniently leaves out that the "murder" in this case was divorce and not murder. Cyprus still exists. And there is still a Turkish Cypriot community in the North, which there wouldn't be if there were no invasion. Your argument seems to simultaneously say that there was no justification for the invasion while saying that the reason for the invasion means Turkey should have occupied the entire island.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

F*ck Kemalism. And f**k Macron as well. Kemalism is fascism. And it must die. If Turkey says otherwise. Then may Turkey die along with it. Stop killing the Kurds. Death to Kemalist Fascism. The future is with freedom. Fascism has no place in the future.

So you are claiming that Kemalism, the ideology that greatly increased civil rights & political freedoms in Turkey, is "fascist"? Ironic.

Dowaes are just trying to defend sharia laws. There are such people in Turkey, but when they fall from power in 2023, I will drink my Bomonti beer with pork. And I will celebrate. Long live united Cyprus, long live two brotherly nations, the European Union will give you the answer you need. We will see the days when Ayasofya will be a museum again. If the current government has turned the Ayasofya museum into a mosque on the anniversary of Lausanne, we Social Democrat Kemalists will turn the Ayasofya "mosque" into a museum on February 28, befitting our republican values.

[Dowaesk]

F*ck Kemalism. And f**k Macron as well. Kemalism is fascism. And it must die. If Turkey says otherwise. Then may Turkey die along with it. Stop killing the Kurds. Death to Kemalist Fascism. The future is with freedom. Fascism has no place in the future.

So you are claiming that Kemalism, the ideology that greatly increased civil rights & political freedoms in Turkey, is "fascist"? Ironic.

Ooh. Kemalism does that? Absolute bullshit. Kemalism is about secular police trying to dictate what you think and what you do. Kemalism didnt improve female education, it ruined it. Scarfed girls were barred from receieving education. Kemalism didnt give political freedoms. Democracy did. Kemalism is fascism. The belief that Secularists and ethnonationalists such as Hakinda are more superior than all others. Kemalism led to the imprisonment of innocent children. Just because they believed different. Or because they said the ultimtae swear word, "Allah".

So you are claiming that Kemalism, the ideology that greatly increased civil rights & political freedoms in Turkey, is "fascist"? Ironic.

Dowaes are just trying to defend sharia laws. There are such people in Turkey, but when they fall from power in 2023, I will drink my Bomonti beer with pork. And I will celebrate. Long live united Cyprus, long live two brotherly nations, the European Union will give you the answer you need. We will see the days when Ayasofya will be a museum again. If the current government has turned the Ayasofya museum into a mosque on the anniversary of Lausanne, we Social Democrat Kemalists will turn the Ayasofya "mosque" into a museum on February 28, befitting our republican values.

And Kemalism shall be defecated upon. The same way you have called on for the defecation of our beloved Mosques. When you says Ayasofya, its obvious you mean Mosques in general. And the European Union? Lol. "The turk has no friend but the turk". Are you forgetting this famous phrase. And no. Am not trying to defend Sharia Law. Im trying to fight the evil which is Kemalism. You drink your beer and eat your pork. I never stopped you.

Ataturk is death. And so will Kemalism, one day. Death to Kemalism.

[Quclington]

So you are claiming that Kemalism, the ideology that greatly increased civil rights & political freedoms in Turkey, is "fascist"? Ironic.

Ooh. Kemalism does that? Absolute bullshit. Kemalism is about secular police trying to dictate what you think and what you do. Kemalism didnt improve female education, it ruined it. Scarfed girls were barred from receieving education. Kemalism didnt give political freedoms. Democracy did. Kemalism is fascism. The belief that Secularists and ethnonationalists such as Hakinda are more superior than all others. Kemalism led to the imprisonment of innocent children. Just because they believed different. Or because they said the ultimtae swear word, "Allah".

Dowaes are just trying to defend sharia laws. There are such people in Turkey, but when they fall from power in 2023, I will drink my Bomonti beer with pork. And I will celebrate. Long live united Cyprus, long live two brotherly nations, the European Union will give you the answer you need. We will see the days when Ayasofya will be a museum again. If the current government has turned the Ayasofya museum into a mosque on the anniversary of Lausanne, we Social Democrat Kemalists will turn the Ayasofya "mosque" into a museum on February 28, befitting our republican values.

And Kemalism shall be defecated upon. The same way you have called on for the defecation of our beloved Mosques. When you says Ayasofya, its obvious you mean Mosques in general. And the European Union? Lol. "The turk has no friend but the turk". Are you forgetting this famous phrase. And no. Am not trying to defend Sharia Law. Im trying to fight the evil which is Kemalism. You drink your beer and eat your pork. I never stopped you.

Ataturk is death. And so will Kemalism, one day. Death to Kemalism.

First off, your comments about secularism are semi-correct, but flawed. Kemalism tried to combat sharia law, that was veey much the goal, and Ataturk succeeded. He succeeded to make Turkey a secular, Western-like nation. He modernized the nation. He gave women the right the vote and to be elected in 1930, 1933 and 1934. That isn't to say that Kemalism did not have any flaws, but he did a better job at making Turkey a proper nation in 15 years than the Ottoman caliphs.

[Vistulange]

So you are claiming that Kemalism, the ideology that greatly increased civil rights & political freedoms in Turkey, is "fascist"? Ironic.

Ooh. Kemalism does that? Absolute bullshit. Kemalism is about secular police trying to dictate what you think and what you do. Kemalism didnt improve female education, it ruined it. Scarfed girls were barred from receieving education. Kemalism didnt give political freedoms. Democracy did. Kemalism is fascism. The belief that Secularists and ethnonationalists such as Hakinda are more superior than all others. Kemalism led to the imprisonment of innocent children. Just because they believed different. Or because they said the ultimtae swear word, "Allah".

Dowaes are just trying to defend sharia laws. There are such people in Turkey, but when they fall from power in 2023, I will drink my Bomonti beer with pork. And I will celebrate. Long live united Cyprus, long live two brotherly nations, the European Union will give you the answer you need. We will see the days when Ayasofya will be a museum again. If the current government has turned the Ayasofya museum into a mosque on the anniversary of Lausanne, we Social Democrat Kemalists will turn the Ayasofya "mosque" into a museum on February 28, befitting our republican values.

And Kemalism shall be defecated upon. The same way you have called on for the defecation of our beloved Mosques. When you says Ayasofya, its obvious you mean Mosques in general. And the European Union? Lol. "The turk has no friend but the turk". Are you forgetting this famous phrase. And no. Am not trying to defend Sharia Law. Im trying to fight the evil which is Kemalism. You drink your beer and eat your pork. I never stopped you.

Ataturk is death. And so will Kemalism, one day. Death to Kemalism.

Oh, yes. Because the lot who tried to repudiate Kemalism in Turkey are an absolute unit, top-notch, paragons of virtue.

Yeah, Fahrettin Altun is giddily rubbing his hands at the likes of you, while you and your ilk try to glorifiy leaders such as Bekir Pakdemirli, Fahrettin Koca, not to mention slimy cunts like Ali Babacan and Ahmet "I'm a war criminal" Davutoğlu. I haven't even gotten to Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, his murderer son Burak Erdoğan, his corrupt son Bilal Erdoğan, and his incompetent, corrupt, utterly stupid groom Berat Albayrak. The list is long, very long.

However, we do have to thank the AKP and Erdoğan for a few things, one of which is that they proved, in spite of people like you, that Islamism is corrupt to the core, concerned solely with enriching a narrow segment of family and cronies, and is completely incompetent at governing the state with which they are entrusted.

Kemalism is the bedrock upon which Turkey will rebuild itself, and political Islam will be consigned to the rubbish bin of history where it belongs, at least in Turkey. Thanks to the AKP, once they are gone, nobody, not a single person, will have the nerve to call themselves an "Islamist" ever again. Fahrettin Altun had a point in complaining about how their political hegemony did not translate into cultural hegemony. Over the nearly twenty decades of Islamist rule, these incompetent morons have not managed to create any positive lasting legacy. All they literally did was build roads, roads which are now collapsing because they, in their corrupt nature, outsourced the construction of these roads to their own cronies at inflated prices, resulting in shoddy roads.

Spare us the bullshit apologism for post-Kemalists. Those lot got what they deserved back in 2011-2015, and are now spouting their nonsense as the AKP's rule falters. Post-Kemalists' arguments have been torn to shreds in the last ten years within the scholarly circles, so really, don't parrot their nonsensical arguments.

[Dowaesk]

Ooh. Kemalism does that? Absolute bullshit. Kemalism is about secular police trying to dictate what you think and what you do. Kemalism didnt improve female education, it ruined it. Scarfed girls were barred from receieving education. Kemalism didnt give political freedoms. Democracy did. Kemalism is fascism. The belief that Secularists and ethnonationalists such as Hakinda are more superior than all others. Kemalism led to the imprisonment of innocent children. Just because they believed different. Or because they said the ultimtae swear word, "Allah".

And Kemalism shall be defecated upon. The same way you have called on for the defecation of our beloved Mosques. When you says Ayasofya, its obvious you mean Mosques in general. And the European Union? Lol. "The turk has no friend but the turk". Are you forgetting this famous phrase. And no. Am not trying to defend Sharia Law. Im trying to fight the evil which is Kemalism. You drink your beer and eat your pork. I never stopped you.

Ataturk is death. And so will Kemalism, one day. Death to Kemalism.

Oh, yes. Because the lot who tried to repudiate Kemalism in Turkey are an absolute unit, top-notch, paragons of virtue.

Yeah, Fahrettin Altun is giddily rubbing his hands at the likes of you, while you and your ilk try to glorifiy leaders such as Bekir Pakdemirli, Fahrettin Koca, not to mention slimy cunts like Ali Babacan and Ahmet "I'm a war criminal" Davutoğlu. I haven't even gotten to Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, his murderer son Burak Erdoğan, his corrupt son Bilal Erdoğan, and his incompetent, corrupt, utterly stupid groom Berat Albayrak. The list is long, very long.

However, we do have to thank the AKP and Erdoğan for a few things, one of which is that they proved, in spite of people like you, that Islamism is corrupt to the core, concerned solely with enriching a narrow segment of family and cronies, and is completely incompetent at governing the state with which they are entrusted.

Kemalism is the bedrock upon which Turkey will rebuild itself, and political Islam will be consigned to the rubbish bin of history where it belongs, at least in Turkey. Thanks to the AKP, once they are gone, nobody, not a single person, will have the nerve to call themselves an "Islamist" ever again. Fahrettin Altun had a point in complaining about how their political hegemony did not translate into cultural hegemony. Over the nearly twenty decades of Islamist rule, these incompetent morons have not managed to create any positive lasting legacy. All they literally did was build roads, roads which are now collapsing because they, in their corrupt nature, outsourced the construction of these roads to their own cronies at inflated prices, resulting in shoddy roads.

Spare us the bullshit apologism for post-Kemalists. Those lot got what they deserved back in 2011-2015, and are now spouting their nonsense as the AKP's rule falters. Post-Kemalists' arguments have been torn to shreds in the last ten years within the scholarly circles, so really, don't parrot their nonsensical arguments.

Stupid Kemalism. Dumb fucked up Kemalism. A fascist ideology. The Young Turks are better for Turkey than Kemalism. Kemalism is the oppression of minorities (and even majorities) in the name of secularism. And yeah, no need to attack me and call me corrupt. Dont be a Strawman. Check the last posts. I never even mentioned Islamism to defend my stance. All I been doing is fighting against the evil ideology Kemalism. Kemalists cannot argue rationally, hence anyone who comes out aganst them, they label them as Islamists. Kemalists then go on to kill or imprison anyone they see as "Islamists". To the normal mind, this includes the innocent Muslim child who was brave enough to utter the name of Allah near a fascist Kemalist police.

(You have admittedly identified yourself as part of the far-right in your sig. I do not think we can argue rationally. And also, I am sort of a Modernist Muslim. I do not care whether the state is secular or Islamic as long as the citizens have all the basic rights that they should have)

[Vistulange]

Oh, yes. Because the lot who tried to repudiate Kemalism in Turkey are an absolute unit, top-notch, paragons of virtue.

Yeah, Fahrettin Altun is giddily rubbing his hands at the likes of you, while you and your ilk try to glorifiy leaders such as Bekir Pakdemirli, Fahrettin Koca, not to mention slimy cunts like Ali Babacan and Ahmet "I'm a war criminal" Davutoğlu. I haven't even gotten to Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, his murderer son Burak Erdoğan, his corrupt son Bilal Erdoğan, and his incompetent, corrupt, utterly stupid groom Berat Albayrak. The list is long, very long.

However, we do have to thank the AKP and Erdoğan for a few things, one of which is that they proved, in spite of people like you, that Islamism is corrupt to the core, concerned solely with enriching a narrow segment of family and cronies, and is completely incompetent at governing the state with which they are entrusted.

Kemalism is the bedrock upon which Turkey will rebuild itself, and political Islam will be consigned to the rubbish bin of history where it belongs, at least in Turkey. Thanks to the AKP, once they are gone, nobody, not a single person, will have the nerve to call themselves an "Islamist" ever again. Fahrettin Altun had a point in complaining about how their political hegemony did not translate into cultural hegemony. Over the nearly twenty decades of Islamist rule, these incompetent morons have not managed to create any positive lasting legacy. All they literally did was build roads, roads which are now collapsing because they, in their corrupt nature, outsourced the construction of these roads to their own cronies at inflated prices, resulting in shoddy roads.

Spare us the bullshit apologism for post-Kemalists. Those lot got what they deserved back in 2011-2015, and are now spouting their nonsense as the AKP's rule falters. Post-Kemalists' arguments have been torn to shreds in the last ten years within the scholarly circles, so really, don't parrot their nonsensical arguments.

Stupid Kemalism. Dumb fucked up Kemalism. A fascist ideology. The Young Turks are better for Turkey than Kemalism. Kemalism is the oppression of minorities (and even majorities) in the name of secularism. And yeah, no need to attack me and call me corrupt. Dont be a Strawman. Check the last posts. I never even mentioned Islamism to defend my stance. All I been doing is fighting against the evil ideology Kemalism. Kemalists cannot argue rationally, hence anyone who comes out aganst them, they label them as Islamists. Kemalists then go on to kill or imprison anyone they see as "Islamists". To the normal mind, this includes the innocent Muslim child who was brave enough to utter the name of Allah near a fascist Kemalist police.

(You have admittedly identified yourself as part of the far-right in your sig. I do not think we can argue rationally. And also, I am sort of a Modernist Muslim. I do not care whether the state is secular or Islamic as long as the citizens have all the basic rights that they should have)

You're basically apologising for the AKP, which makes you equal to them in my eyes.

And you haven't got the slightest clue what "neo-Kemalism" is (hint: it's a link, clicking on it will help, and you'll need to actually listen as opposed to knee-jerk react to the title), so I really don't think you should be calling me far-right. If you've listened to the whole 56 minutes of it and came to the conclusion that "neo-Kemalism" is "far-right", I can't help you there, I'm afraid. You're basically engaging in the exact same demagougery the AKP engages in ("the innocent Muslim child who was brave enough to utter the name of Allah near a fascist Kemalist police", come on).

Modernist Muslim my arse. You're an AKP bloke, through and through.

Oh, lest I forget: unless you're talking about Cenk Uygur and his lot (really, why would anybody talk about them) the Young Turks became Kemalists. That's what the whole schism in the CUP was.

[Asherahan]

Ha no. no no no. Especially no because the Turkey would never allow their puppet state to unify. That would mean they would mean they have to give the now unified state of Cyrpus its own Exclusive Economic Zone.

Besides the EU will never legistlate in favor to Turkey.

I don't care what Turkey or Greece think, I am someone who draws strength from the European Union and the spirit it brings. As a social democrat kemalist, I will always speak the truth.

1-The racist policy towards Turkish Cypriots is implemented by the Southern administration. passport threat is the best example of this.
2-Turkey and Greece are fighting childishly The government of Turkey lost the spirit of the 1974 Cyprus Peace Campaign. The culprit is political Islam.
3-Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots.

Cyprus belongs to Greece.

[Asherahan]

Turkish person here. I do not believe the passport restriction is that big of a deal - it is their own government afterall, they can restrict whomever they want - but some of the posts in this thread are just ridiculous. Is it the Turkish government's fault that the Greek Cypriot goverment at the time was oppressing the Turkish Cypriots? No. The Turkish occupation was - and in my opinion still is - necessary. How can we know for certain that the Greek Cypriot government will not oppress the Turkish Cypriots after we stopped the occupation?

By getting the fuck out Cyprus and going back to Turkey leaving it to those that i belongs to? Just a thought.

[Asherahan]

F*ck Kemalism. And f**k Macron as well. Kemalism is fascism. And it must die. If Turkey says otherwise. Then may Turkey die along with it. Stop killing the Kurds. Death to Kemalist Fascism. The future is with freedom. Fascism has no place in the future.

So you are claiming that Kemalism, the ideology that greatly increased civil rights & political freedoms in Turkey, is "fascist"? Ironic.

I am with the Turk on this and I am a Greek. Even if Kemal fucked us over he deserves respect.

[Vistulange]

So you are claiming that Kemalism, the ideology that greatly increased civil rights & political freedoms in Turkey, is "fascist"? Ironic.

I am with the Turk on this and I am a Greek. Even if Kemal fucked us over he deserves respect.

Seriously. Kemal may have fucked you guys over, but he did follow up with reconcilliation practically immediately afterwards.

Anyhow, to get back on topic: We really ought to cease that idiotic occupation in Northern Cyprus and let the people there decide on their own. Freely. Even if Greece tries to leverage it to screw us over with natural gas and such, I don't see continued occupation of the northern third of the island to be conducive to our interests.

[Baltenstein]

I am with the Turk on this and I am a Greek. Even if Kemal fucked us over he deserves respect.

Seriously. Kemal may have fucked you guys over, but he did follow up with reconcilliation practically immediately afterwards.

Anyhow, to get back on topic: We really ought to cease that idiotic occupation in Northern Cyprus and let the people there decide on their own. Freely. Even if Greece tries to leverage it to screw us over with natural gas and such, I don't see continued occupation of the northern third of the island to be conducive to our interests.

As I said earlier, the absolute bare minimum before we (or rather: the Cypriots) start discussing Cypriot re-unification is a complete withdrawal of both Greece and Turkey from the island's domestic and security affairs.
If a guarantor power is necessary to ensure that ethnic violence doesn't flare up again, let it be a state or actor that isn't historically compromised.

The thing that I have no idea how they want or could settle is the refugee vs settler issue. Maybe it will become less of a mess once the original refugee generation has died out.

[Vistulange]

Seriously. Kemal may have fucked you guys over, but he did follow up with reconcilliation practically immediately afterwards.

Anyhow, to get back on topic: We really ought to cease that idiotic occupation in Northern Cyprus and let the people there decide on their own. Freely. Even if Greece tries to leverage it to screw us over with natural gas and such, I don't see continued occupation of the northern third of the island to be conducive to our interests.

As I said earlier, the absolute bare minimum before we (or rather: the Cypriots) start discussing Cypriot re-unification is a complete withdrawal of both Greece and Turkey from the island's domestic and security affairs.
If a guarantor power is necessary to ensure that ethnic violence doesn't flare up again, let it be a state or actor that isn't historically compromised.

The thing that I have no idea how they want or could settle is the refugee vs settler issue. Maybe it will become less of a mess once the original refugee generation has died out.

Absolutely. And with what you've said, I'd like to underline the "if": I'm fairly certain by now that a unified Cyprus could be trusted to not mess-up its constitutional framework. Otherwise, I don't really see a power who a) can and b) is willing to bother with it.

As for the settler issue...yeah, that's a problem. Though, it might be one people will have to live with. Not that it severely undercuts the demographic balance—unlike Israeli settlements—so there shouldn't be too many practical political issues flaring up from it. But! Cyprus is a place I know little about, so I'm not going to insist on that point if pressed.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Stupid Kemalism. Dumb fucked up Kemalism. A fascist ideology. The Young Turks are better for Turkey than Kemalism. Kemalism is the oppression of minorities (and even majorities) in the name of secularism. And yeah, no need to attack me and call me corrupt. Dont be a Strawman. Check the last posts. I never even mentioned Islamism to defend my stance. All I been doing is fighting against the evil ideology Kemalism. Kemalists cannot argue rationally, hence anyone who comes out aganst them, they label them as Islamists. Kemalists then go on to kill or imprison anyone they see as "Islamists". To the normal mind, this includes the innocent Muslim child who was brave enough to utter the name of Allah near a fascist Kemalist police.

(You have admittedly identified yourself as part of the far-right in your sig. I do not think we can argue rationally. And also, I am sort of a Modernist Muslim. I do not care whether the state is secular or Islamic as long as the citizens have all the basic rights that they should have)

You're basically apologising for the AKP, which makes you equal to them in my eyes.

And you haven't got the slightest clue what "neo-Kemalism" is (hint: it's a link, clicking on it will help, and you'll need to actually listen as opposed to knee-jerk react to the title), so I really don't think you should be calling me far-right. If you've listened to the whole 56 minutes of it and came to the conclusion that "neo-Kemalism" is "far-right", I can't help you there, I'm afraid. You're basically engaging in the exact same demagougery the AKP engages in ("the innocent Muslim child who was brave enough to utter the name of Allah near a fascist Kemalist police", come on).

Modernist Muslim my arse. You're an AKP bloke, through and through.

Oh, lest I forget: unless you're talking about Cenk Uygur and his lot (really, why would anybody talk about them) the Young Turks became Kemalists. That's what the whole schism in the CUP was.

The only answer that needs to be given against the Dowaesk and political Islamist mentalities like it. As the people of Greece, Turkey and Cyprus, we must fight shoulder to shoulder against the fascist political believers. Turkey is ready, a united Cyprus is ready, is the European Union ready? Are we ready to walk confidently towards the secular roman republic ?

[Dowaesk]

You're basically apologising for the AKP, which makes you equal to them in my eyes.

And you haven't got the slightest clue what "neo-Kemalism" is (hint: it's a link, clicking on it will help, and you'll need to actually listen as opposed to knee-jerk react to the title), so I really don't think you should be calling me far-right. If you've listened to the whole 56 minutes of it and came to the conclusion that "neo-Kemalism" is "far-right", I can't help you there, I'm afraid. You're basically engaging in the exact same demagougery the AKP engages in ("the innocent Muslim child who was brave enough to utter the name of Allah near a fascist Kemalist police", come on).

Modernist Muslim my arse. You're an AKP bloke, through and through.

Oh, lest I forget: unless you're talking about Cenk Uygur and his lot (really, why would anybody talk about them) the Young Turks became Kemalists. That's what the whole schism in the CUP was.

The only answer that needs to be given against the Dowaesk and political Islamist mentalities like it. As the people of Greece, Turkey and Cyprus, we must fight shoulder to shoulder against the fascist political believers. Turkey is ready, a united Cyprus is ready, is the European Union ready? Are we ready to walk confidently towards the secular roman republic ?

lol what?

[Hagenhamm]

So you are claiming that Kemalism, the ideology that greatly increased civil rights & political freedoms in Turkey, is "fascist"? Ironic.

Yeah he made liberal reforms, but he was reforming the Ottomans so that's like pissing a shit stain off a toilet bowl. Still a fash

[Vistulange]

So you are claiming that Kemalism, the ideology that greatly increased civil rights & political freedoms in Turkey, is "fascist"? Ironic.

Yeah he made liberal reforms, but he was reforming the Ottomans so that's like pissing a shit stain off a toilet bowl. Still a fash

...riiiiiight.

Besides, the topic is about Cyprus, not Atatürk's reforms. I think we ended that particular derail and/or threadjack a while ago, let's not restart it, yes?

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Yeah he made liberal reforms, but he was reforming the Ottomans so that's like pissing a shit stain off a toilet bowl. Still a fash

...riiiiiight.

Besides, the topic is about Cyprus, not Atatürk's reforms. I think we ended that particular derail and/or threadjack a while ago, let's not restart it, yes?

Atatürk's principles are connected with the island of Cyprus. What did the political Islamist so-called government of Turkey do when the Greek Cypriot administration tried to impose racist passport laws against Turkish Cypriots ? It does not defend the rights of Turkish Cypriots who do not treat their own people fairly. Political Islam is not the solution, social democratic Kemalism is the solution. Our Cyprus policy is Bülent Ecevit's policy. Why do you think the February 28 warning was issued? so that these days don't happen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNK9_V46rqg