Universal Welfare: yea or nay?

[The Parkus Empire]

And goodness knows what the international organization does with it.

Like the federal government of the U.S., it would have to be accountable. Of course, accountability is never perfect, but this tread is examining this idea from an extremely rough and abstract view point, which it has to, since the concept is so complex that it would require libraries of books to explain every detail of how it would work.

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

Taxing the rich more is like punishing them for their success, taxing the poor is just like taking a shark's fin and trying to glue it back.

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

And goodness knows what the international organization does with it.

Like the federal government of the U.S., it would have to be accountable. Of course, accountability is never perfect, but this tread is examining this idea from an extremely rough and abstract view point, which it has to, since the concept is so complex that it would require libraries of books to explain every detail of how it would work.

I mean, if the international organization starts building roads and all that-okay. But if it just takes taxpayers' money to fill up its "reserves"....

[The Parkus Empire]

But it encourages stimuli.And if the government happens to invest in the two big monsters(FM), we'll be basically bailing out the government aka tax-collecting company

The government should only invest in the taxpayers. And by that I don't mean the richest taxpayers, I mean taxpayers by number.

[The Parkus Empire]

Taxing the rich more is like punishing them for their success,

It's more an effort to ensure that the poor don't get fucked-over. The cost of the that is that the rich have to get fucked-over, but the amount they are fucked-over is comparatively small to the poor.

[Sungai Pusat]

No, as I believe only the poor should get it. Also, USA is in a $13 trillion public debt, with a total of $55 trillion of unpaid public benefits (inclusive of public debt). How can you expect the richest nations in the world which are so heavily in debt to be the ones to pay seeing as how they are ridden with excesive debt?

[The Parkus Empire]

I mean, if the international organization starts building roads and all that-okay. But if it just takes taxpayers' money to fill up its "reserves"....

The idea has far too many dimensions to for it all be worked out here. We're just roughly seeing if it's even plausible, which is far from jumping to details like "reserves."

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

But it encourages stimuli.And if the government happens to invest in the two big monsters(FM), we'll be basically bailing out the government aka tax-collecting company

The government should only invest in the taxpayers. And by that I don't mean the richest taxpayers, I mean taxpayers by number.

Not that taxpayers are anymore fiscally responsible. And if a bubble bursts, the solution isn't to create another one.

[The Parkus Empire]

No, as I believe only the poor should get it. Also, USA is in a $13 trillion public debt, with a total of $55 trillion of unpaid public benefits (inclusive of public debt). How can you expect the richest nations in the world which are so heavily in debt to be the ones to pay seeing as how they are ridden with excesive debt?

An international government would save national governments a lot of money in numerous ways.

[The Parkus Empire]

Not that taxpayers are anymore fiscally responsible. And if a bubble bursts, the solution isn't to create another one.

No, but I don't favor intervention for those reasons. I don't favor "bail-outs" of anybody. I favor occasional intervention in order to prevent excessive spending.

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

No, as I believe only the poor should get it. Also, USA is in a $13 trillion public debt, with a total of $55 trillion of unpaid public benefits (inclusive of public debt). How can you expect the richest nations in the world which are so heavily in debt to be the ones to pay seeing as how they are ridden with excesive debt?

Give me proof that the poor have earned it but did not get the future they deserved.

[Sungai Pusat]

No, as I believe only the poor should get it. Also, USA is in a $13 trillion public debt, with a total of $55 trillion of unpaid public benefits (inclusive of public debt). How can you expect the richest nations in the world which are so heavily in debt to be the ones to pay seeing as how they are ridden with excesive debt?

An international government would save national governments a lot of money in numerous ways.

And how much money do you think that all international organisations can pay to cover the $55 trillion huh?

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

Not that taxpayers are anymore fiscally responsible. And if a bubble bursts, the solution isn't to create another one.

No, but I don't favor intervention for those reasons. I don't favor "bail-outs" of anybody. I favor occasional intervention in order to prevent excessive spending.

Oh, same as me. Doesn't involve any carrots- but lots of sticks!

[Kantria]

Taxing the rich more is like punishing them for their success

Man, I should never have invented that new method for forcing the atoms in flatus molecules to undergo nuclear fission. Now the government is going to tax me so much that I'll only be able to afford six new cars, a beach house and a summer home in Tuscany. I really wanted that solid gold fountain. I should have just stayed a welfare whore and did crack in the trailer partially paid-for with my government stipend. I'm such a dumbass.

[The Parkus Empire]

Give me proof that the poor have earned it but did not get the future they deserved.

I don't see how a starving child deserves to starve. . .do you?

[The Parkus Empire]

And how much money do you think that all international organisations can pay to cover the $55 trillion huh?

$55 trillion.

[The Parkus Empire]

Oh, same as me. Doesn't involve any carrots- but lots of sticks!

Well, I don't mind carrots, but only in the form of tax-breaks. No bail-outs.

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

Taxing the rich more is like punishing them for their success

Man, I should never have invented that new method for forcing the atoms in flatus molecules to undergo nuclear fission. Now the government is going to tax me so much that I'll only be able to afford six new cars, a beach house and a summer home in Tuscany. I really wanted that solid gold fountain. I should have just stayed a welfare whore and did crack in the trailer partially paid-for with my government stipend. I'm such a dumbass.

Uncontented person, he'll never be happy. But anyway, taxing them more because they did more is stupid.

[Sungai Pusat]

And how much money do you think that all international organisations can pay to cover the $55 trillion huh?

$55 trillion.

You don't know the amount of money they have, do you?

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

Give me proof that the poor have earned it but did not get the future they deserved.

I don't see how a starving child deserves to starve. . .do you?

How else can equality of opportunity be enforced other than feeding them?After all, they are too young to work. Taxpayers' money should only be used for defence, security, public works which are necessary and equality of opportunity(childcare, education). I don't mind government spending as long as they don't take more than they should. Also, public works should be paid by fees, rents and tolls whenever possible.

[The Parkus Empire]

You don't know the amount of money they have, do you?

They have enough to cover that, although it would require a metric ass-load of tax increases and spending cuts. And like I said, some government would have to prevent the rich from moving somewhere else to get lower taxes being ensuring an international tax-rate.

All of this would probably ruin your and my quality of life; it would also end hunger all across the world. So you're left with that.

[The Parkus Empire]

How else can equality of opportunity be enforced other than feeding them?After all, they are too young to work. Taxpayers' money should only be used for defence, security, public works which are necessary and equality of opportunity(childcare, education). I don't mind government spending as long as they don't take more than they should. Also, public works should be paid by fees, rents and tolls whenever possible.

Yeah, and what about education? How can equality of economic opportunity exist without equal opportunity for education?

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

How else can equality of opportunity be enforced other than feeding them?After all, they are too young to work. Taxpayers' money should only be used for defence, security, public works which are necessary and equality of opportunity(childcare, education). I don't mind government spending as long as they don't take more than they should. Also, public works should be paid by fees, rents and tolls whenever possible.

Yeah, and what about education? How can equality of economic opportunity exist without equal opportunity for education?

Open your eyes.

[The Parkus Empire]

Open your eyes.

Pardon?

[Sungai Pusat]

You don't know the amount of money they have, do you?

They have enough to cover that, although it would require a metric ass-load of tax increases and spending cuts. And like I said, some government would have to prevent the rich from moving somewhere else to get lower taxes being ensuring an international tax-rate.

All of this would probably ruin your and my quality of life; it would also end hunger all across the world. So you're left with that.

Nope: Singapore's government will not tax you if you have a family. My parents gave birth to me and my brother, so no taxes.