Republicans Rounding Up Democrats in Texas

[The Black Forrest]

You misspelled reform. It's spelled "suppression"

Where in these bills are the voters rights being suppressed?

Ah you are one of those.

Ok. One thing I have seen talking to people who support these; the lack of the ability to explain the bills and how they improving voting for people.

So what reforms were needed and how do these bills improve the voter experience.

Seriously; on one of the bills is a proposed monthly citizenship check another is a going through the voter rolls more often to "clean" them and of course voter id......

[American Pere Housh]

Where in these bills are the voters rights being suppressed?

Ah you are one of those.

Ok. One thing I have seen talking to people who support these; the lack of the ability to explain the bills and how they improving voting for people.

So what reforms were needed and how do these bills improve the voter experience.

Seriously; on one of the bills is a proposed monthly citizenship check another is a going through the voter rolls more often to "clean" them and of course voter id......

How is cleaning up the voter rolls and voter ID voter suppression? To vote in this country, you should be a U.S. citizen to vote.

[San Lumen]

Ah you are one of those.

Ok. One thing I have seen talking to people who support these; the lack of the ability to explain the bills and how they improving voting for people.

So what reforms were needed and how do these bills improve the voter experience.

Seriously; on one of the bills is a proposed monthly citizenship check another is a going through the voter rolls more often to "clean" them and of course voter id......

How is cleaning up the voter rolls and voter ID voter suppression? To vote in this country, you should be a U.S. citizen to vote.

Illegal immigrants cannot vote.

[The Black Forrest]

Ah you are one of those.

Ok. One thing I have seen talking to people who support these; the lack of the ability to explain the bills and how they improving voting for people.

So what reforms were needed and how do these bills improve the voter experience.

Seriously; on one of the bills is a proposed monthly citizenship check another is a going through the voter rolls more often to "clean" them and of course voter id......

How is cleaning up the voter rolls and voter ID voter suppression? To vote in this country, you should be a U.S. citizen to vote.

I noticed you didn't answer:

So what reforms were needed and how do these bills improve the voter experience?


You can't vote if you aren't a citizen.

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The problem with the voter roles is the lack of effort to make sure people know there is a cleanup. Considering it's Texas; I would bet it would be specific cleanups.

[Lady Arcana]

Where in these bills are the voters rights being suppressed?

Ah you are one of those.

Ok. One thing I have seen talking to people who support these; the lack of the ability to explain the bills and how they improving voting for people.

So what reforms were needed and how do these bills improve the voter experience.

Seriously; on one of the bills is a proposed monthly citizenship check another is a going through the voter rolls more often to "clean" them and of course voter id......

As a Texan -- I have to show my ID to vote, I have to also be registered to vote, I am also only allowed to go to a specific location to vote, I am not allowed to talk to people while I am voting. If I do not have my ID I can request a provisional ballot and then am required to appear at the courthouse within 30 days with documentation proving that I am legally allowed to vote and that I am who I say I am. I honestly don't know what else they could do to make it more 'secure' -- but that was never the intention anyway. Texas is in danger of being lost to the Democrats, and a loss of the state would mean that the GOP would be unable to win another presidential election for many years.

EDIT: And when I say I have a designated place, it’s a specific location in my city. I can’t just go to a different location and vote.

[Lady Arcana]

How is cleaning up the voter rolls and voter ID voter suppression? To vote in this country, you should be a U.S. citizen to vote.

I noticed you didn't answer:

So what reforms were needed and how do these bills improve the voter experience?


You can't vote if you aren't a citizen.

-edit-

The problem with the voter roles is the lack of effort to make sure people know there is a cleanup. Considering it's Texas; I would bet it would be specific cleanups.

They do purges constantly.

[Lady Arcana]

Ah you are one of those.

Ok. One thing I have seen talking to people who support these; the lack of the ability to explain the bills and how they improving voting for people.

So what reforms were needed and how do these bills improve the voter experience.

Seriously; on one of the bills is a proposed monthly citizenship check another is a going through the voter rolls more often to "clean" them and of course voter id......

How is cleaning up the voter rolls and voter ID voter suppression? To vote in this country, you should be a U.S. citizen to vote.

No shit, Sherlock.

[Great Algerstonia]

Voter ID is a commonsense reform that is only not in America due to the left screaming "RACE" like they do on every single topic. Helps keep those minority voters motivated to vote under false pretenses and provides a deflection for actual discussion on the merits

[The Alma Mater]

Voter ID is a commonsense reform that is only not in America due to the left screaming "RACE" like they do on every single topic. Helps keep those minority voters motivated to vote under false pretenses and provides a deflection for actual discussion on the merits

Except the dems are fine with voter ID as long as it is provided completely free of charge, as the constitution demands.
Republicans refuse that. They also refuse to recognise IDs that are mostly owned by people that vote democrat; like college IDs.

[The Black Forrest]

Voter ID is a commonsense reform that is only not in America due to the left screaming "RACE" like they do on every single topic. Helps keep those minority voters motivated to vote under false pretenses and provides a deflection for actual discussion on the merits

Except the dems are fine with voter ID as long as it is provided completely free of charge, as the constitution demands.
Republicans refuse that. They also refuse to recognise IDs that are mostly owned by people that vote democrat; like college IDs.

Indeed. Voter IDs are fine if they are free.

We could use vaccine passports!

[The Alma Mater]

Except the dems are fine with voter ID as long as it is provided completely free of charge, as the constitution demands.
Republicans refuse that. They also refuse to recognise IDs that are mostly owned by people that vote democrat; like college IDs.

Indeed. Voter IDs are fine if they are free.

We could use vaccine passports!

Vaccine passports are indeed an excellent idea. Government issued, free to get and *easy* to get - no need to travel across half the country to collect the necessary papers to even request one; but the government send buses to your neighbourhood to facilitate obtaining it; meaning you do not need to take a day off from work.

Slight downside remains the fact that people of color often are vaccine hestitant due to negative experiences with government health programs.

[Forsher]

Indeed. Voter IDs are fine if they are free.

We could use vaccine passports!

Vaccine passports are indeed an excellent idea. Government issued, free to get and *easy* to get - no need to travel across half the country to collect the necessary papers to even request one; but the government send buses to your neighbourhood to facilitate obtaining it; meaning you do not need to take a day off from work.

Slight downside remains the fact that people of color often are vaccine hestitant due to negative experiences with government health programs.

Ah, so vaccine passports are likely to be approved by GOP legislatures.

[The Alma Mater]

Vaccine passports are indeed an excellent idea. Government issued, free to get and *easy* to get - no need to travel across half the country to collect the necessary papers to even request one; but the government send buses to your neighbourhood to facilitate obtaining it; meaning you do not need to take a day off from work.

Slight downside remains the fact that people of color often are vaccine hestitant due to negative experiences with government health programs.

Ah, so vaccine passports are likely to be approved by GOP legislatures.

Depends on when they are going to change their tune to "get vaccinated, we always said you should get vaccinated, the dems do not want you to get vaccinated, we have always been at war with Eurasia".

Of course, as has been pointed out repeatedly before, voter ID does not prevent serious voter fraud. With or without ID, you still have to wait in line to vote; and 1 fake vote on millions is probably not going to make a difference.
Ballot stuffing, voter suppression and heck - even the potential of "machine hacking" some people are obsessed by are far bigger threats.

[Forsher]

Ah, so vaccine passports are likely to be approved by GOP legislatures.

Depends on when they are going to change their tune to "get vaccinated, we always said you should get vaccinated, the dems do not want you to get vaccinated, we have always been at war with Eurasia".

Of course, as has been pointed out repeatedly before, voter ID does not prevent serious voter fraud. With or without ID, you still have to wait in line to vote; and 1 fake vote on millions is probably not going to make a difference.
Ballot stuffing, voter suppression and heck - even the potential of "machine hacking" some people are obsessed by are far bigger threats.

Evidently, a failed joke. The point was meant to be something like "the Republicans will approve all forms of ID that black people are systematically less likely to have".

[The Alma Mater]

Depends on when they are going to change their tune to "get vaccinated, we always said you should get vaccinated, the dems do not want you to get vaccinated, we have always been at war with Eurasia".

Of course, as has been pointed out repeatedly before, voter ID does not prevent serious voter fraud. With or without ID, you still have to wait in line to vote; and 1 fake vote on millions is probably not going to make a difference.
Ballot stuffing, voter suppression and heck - even the potential of "machine hacking" some people are obsessed by are far bigger threats.

Evidently, a failed joke. The point was meant to be something like "the Republicans will approve all forms of ID that black people are systematically less likely to have".

That's not a joke - that is a simple fact
But at this time republicans are even less likely than PoCs to get vaccinated - so at this time they will not allow those.

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Ah, so vaccine passports are likely to be approved by GOP legislatures.

Depends on when they are going to change their tune to "get vaccinated, we always said you should get vaccinated, the dems do not want you to get vaccinated, we have always been at war with Eurasia".

Of course, as has been pointed out repeatedly before, voter ID does not prevent serious voter fraud. With or without ID, you still have to wait in line to vote; and 1 fake vote on millions is probably not going to make a difference.
Ballot stuffing, voter suppression and heck - even the potential of "machine hacking" some people are obsessed by are far bigger threats.

In Florida we even have an actual government agency that exists exclusively to defraud voters by way of poisoning direct democracy, the Constitution Reform Commission. They not only can reject ballot initiatives despite getting the adequate number of signatures, they can even bundle together unrelated initiatives as a means of sabotage.

Like say I get "legalize shrooms" on the ballot, the CRC can put on the ballot "should it be legal to cultivate, possess, and consume psilocybin mushrooms and also to flay kittens alive in public?"

Real fraud is done by the big boys.

Elections aren't won by people casting fraudulent ballots because no one does it because (and I can't emphasize this enough) voter fraud is the dumbest crime in the universe in terms of relative risk and reward. You may as well walk into a bank with an automatic weapon, fire it wildly in the air, and then demand a single dollar.

[Kowani]

while muh stolen election is bullshit, consider the idea that this statement just makes it look like a coverup

How does it make it look like a coverup?

are you kidding me
you can't see why "agent of the institution you distrust horribly says your concerns are bullshit from the get-go" might not look all on the up-and-up

[Christian Confederation]

How does it make it look like a coverup?

are you kidding me
you can't see why "agent of the institution you distrust horribly says your concerns are bullshit from the get-go" might not look all on the up-and-up

Honestly I would trust Kanye West with my life before I trust the US Government. JFK, RFK, MLK, And 9/11 along with a half dozen other odd things the Government has a connection to makes me distrust them. I personally don't trust a bloated organization that has repeatedly violated the constitution and basic Decency.

[Kowani]

are you kidding me
you can't see why "agent of the institution you distrust horribly says your concerns are bullshit from the get-go" might not look all on the up-and-up

Honestly I would trust Kanye West with my life before I trust the US Government. JFK, RFK, MLK, And 9/11 along with a half dozen other odd things the Government has a connection to makes me distrust them.

there are so many legitimate examples of the us government fucking over people why do we need to pick the conspiracy nonsense

[Celritannia]

are you kidding me
you can't see why "agent of the institution you distrust horribly says your concerns are bullshit from the get-go" might not look all on the up-and-up

Honestly I would trust Kanye West with my life before I trust the US Government. JFK, RFK, MLK, And 9/11 along with a half dozen other odd things the Government has a connection to makes me distrust them. I personally don't trust a bloated organization that has repeatedly violated the constitution and basic Decency.

Wow, conspiracies? That's your go to?

Also, if you want to remove the government bloatedness, then the US needs to cut back on military spending, reform the money that goes into law enforcement and immigration (since those 2 things increase government spending), and establish universal healthcare to remove the terrible bureaucracy that is the Private health insurance system.

[Ifreann]

Honestly I would trust Kanye West with my life before I trust the US Government. JFK, RFK, MLK, And 9/11 along with a half dozen other odd things the Government has a connection to makes me distrust them. I personally don't trust a bloated organization that has repeatedly violated the constitution and basic Decency.

Wow, conspiracies? That's your go to?

Also, if you want to remove the government bloatedness, then the US needs to cut back on military spending, reform the money that goes into law enforcement and immigration (since those 2 things increase government spending), and establish universal healthcare to remove the terrible bureaucracy that is the Private health insurance system.

No, no, the way you solve government bloatedness is to cut my taxes and shift all government spending into military and police.

[San Lumen]

Voter ID is a commonsense reform that is only not in America due to the left screaming "RACE" like they do on every single topic. Helps keep those minority voters motivated to vote under false pretenses and provides a deflection for actual discussion on the merits

In person voter fraud is a myth. it does not happen on any widespread basis and has never been shown to have changed the outcome of an election.

[Great Algerstonia]

Voter ID is a commonsense reform that is only not in America due to the left screaming "RACE" like they do on every single topic. Helps keep those minority voters motivated to vote under false pretenses and provides a deflection for actual discussion on the merits

Except the dems are fine with voter ID as long as it is provided completely free of charge, as the constitution demands.
Republicans refuse that. They also refuse to recognise IDs that are mostly owned by people that vote democrat; like college IDs.

I agree with all what you say, but I've never seen the Democrats argue for any of that. They call all voter ID racist or whatever and strenuously oppose it. In the Wikipedia page for the Democratic Party, it says they oppose voter ID laws. In the Democratic Party's official website, it says nothing about voter ID free of charge and says "We stand united against the determined Republican campaign to disenfranchise voters through onerous voter ID laws", and says nothing else about voter ID.

[Great Algerstonia]

Voter ID is a commonsense reform that is only not in America due to the left screaming "RACE" like they do on every single topic. Helps keep those minority voters motivated to vote under false pretenses and provides a deflection for actual discussion on the merits

In person voter fraud is a myth. it does not happen on any widespread basis and has never been shown to have changed the outcome of an election.

Yet it does happen. There should be zero voter fraud. Nada. None of this "voter fraud still exists but isn't widespread". One person one vote is a fundamental part of a democracy.

[The Black Forrest]

Except the dems are fine with voter ID as long as it is provided completely free of charge, as the constitution demands.
Republicans refuse that. They also refuse to recognise IDs that are mostly owned by people that vote democrat; like college IDs.

I agree with all what you say, but I've never seen the Democrats argue for any of that. They call all voter ID racist or whatever and strenuously oppose it. In the Wikipedia page for the Democratic Party, it says they oppose voter ID laws. In the Democratic Party's official website, it says nothing about voter ID free of charge and says "We stand united against the determined Republican campaign to disenfranchise voters through onerous voter ID laws", and says nothing else about voter ID.

Are you suggesting the republicans don’t do that?