Republicans Rounding Up Democrats in Texas

[The Republic of Fore]

Or they could just not commit a felony, that isn't too difficult.

So they committed a felony. And therefore? How does it then logically follow that they should not be able to vote?

I don’t buy into retributive justice. I think it’s ineffective and barbaric. This silly idea of “waaaa you did bad thing so I’m going to take your toys away” needs to die already.

I don't buy into the idea that actions shouldn't have consequences. If someone can't handle the extremely simple task of not committing a felony I see no reason they need to vote.

[Necroghastia]

So they committed a felony. And therefore? How does it then logically follow that they should not be able to vote?

I don’t buy into retributive justice. I think it’s ineffective and barbaric. This silly idea of “waaaa you did bad thing so I’m going to take your toys away” needs to die already.

I don't buy into the idea that actions shouldn't have consequences. If someone can't handle the extremely simple task of not committing a felony I see no reason they need to vote.

so much for being able to pay a debt to society or whatever

[The Republic of Fore]

I don't buy into the idea that actions shouldn't have consequences. If someone can't handle the extremely simple task of not committing a felony I see no reason they need to vote.

so much for being able to pay a debt to society or whatever

Let's be honest, that whole idea is bunk. Felons have no life after being released, they can't even get licenses for jobs completely unrelated to their crime,

[Washington Resistance Army]

so much for being able to pay a debt to society or whatever

Let's be honest, that whole idea is bunk. Felons have no life after being released, they can't even get licenses for jobs completely unrelated to their crime,

Dang I wonder why that is lol

[The Republic of Fore]

Let's be honest, that whole idea is bunk. Felons have no life after being released, they can't even get licenses for jobs completely unrelated to their crime,

Dang I wonder why that is lol

I wouldn't want to hire a drug dealer to represent my business.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Dang I wonder why that is lol

I wouldn't want to hire a drug dealer to represent my business.

Congrats, you found the answer and I don't think you even realize it.

[Picairn]

Let's be honest, that whole idea is bunk. Felons have no life after being released, they can't even get licenses for jobs completely unrelated to their crime,

I wonder if that is the consequence of BS occupational licensing laws or their own actions...

[The Republic of Fore]

I wouldn't want to hire a drug dealer to represent my business.

Congrats, you found the answer and I don't think you even realize it.

Oh I know the answer, I just don't feel the least bit of sympathy. It isn't difficult to not be a felon.

[Necroghastia]

so much for being able to pay a debt to society or whatever

Let's be honest, that whole idea is bunk. Felons have no life after being released, they can't even get licenses for jobs completely unrelated to their crime,

whether the idea is bunk in practice at the moment doesn't matter
do you not agree with the principle?

[Forsher]

That is correct. They are not assertions that we are incorrect because of our personal qualities.

Don't use fancy words you don't understand when you can just as easily... as you often do... call it a personal attack.

Ad Hominem: directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

Example: My opponent uses fancy words he doesn't understand. That's an attack on the opponent, not the argument.

Let's start with what I assume is your source.

(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

You can't ignore the brackets... it's defining the condition under which you can use the term. Now Wikipedia.

Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, refers to several types of arguments, some but not all of which are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a diversion to some irrelevant but often highly charged issue. The most common form of this fallacy is "A makes a claim x, B asserts that A holds a property that is unwelcome, and hence B concludes that argument x is wrong".

Now, look, that is broader than I thought (see: second bold statement, or this pyramid), thus invalidating my point. So... on reflection, ad hominem has a broader use than I thought.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Congrats, you found the answer and I don't think you even realize it.

Oh I know the answer, I just don't feel the least bit of sympathy. It isn't difficult to not be a felon.

Go tell that to people in areas affected by endemic poverty where stable jobs or opportunities haven't existed in 60 years. This is out of touch nonsense.

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I rarely see an argument against allowing felons to vote, even against allowing people in prison to vote, that is anything more than an appeal to emotion, that it just "feels" wrong to let them vote.

There is logic behind certain loss of rights like not allowing a person who has committed a violent crime to own a gun, but taking away voting rights is arbitrary and baseless. Should felons also lose their freedom of religion?

I would also point out that in a country like America with a mass incarceration problem, if the prison vote is or would become a bloc significant enough to sway elections, that's a good thing. I can think of no better way to rein in the tyranny of the criminal justice system than to incentivize politicians to offer shorter sentences and better conditions as a way of winning votes.

Because the way I see it, if the prison population is anywhere near big enough to affect the outcome of the election, then there is no doubt you have an unjust system in which most incarcerated people shouldn't be free in the first place.

[The Republic of Fore]

Let's be honest, that whole idea is bunk. Felons have no life after being released, they can't even get licenses for jobs completely unrelated to their crime,

whether the idea is bunk in practice at the moment doesn't matter
do you not agree with the principle?

Eh, not really no.

[Necroghastia]

whether the idea is bunk in practice at the moment doesn't matter
do you not agree with the principle?

Eh, not really no.

Why not? Are people incapable of change? Making up for past misdeeds?

Let alone people convicted of felonies for things that absolutely should not be felonies.

[The Republic of Fore]

Oh I know the answer, I just don't feel the least bit of sympathy. It isn't difficult to not be a felon.

Go tell that to people in areas affected by endemic poverty where stable jobs or opportunities haven't existed in 60 years. This is out of touch nonsense.

I grew up on a reservation, don't talk to me about endemic poverty. That's an excuse made by people who'd rather play the victim than try. I saw it every single day. Why would someone want to put stable jobs in a gang filled dump like Detroit? And let's stop with this myth that every felon is just a poor victim of society. Because they're not.

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Congrats, you found the answer and I don't think you even realize it.

Oh I know the answer, I just don't feel the least bit of sympathy. It isn't difficult to not be a felon.

I told this story on NS before:

My aunt had legally prescribed hydrocodone. One of her friends was severely hurt and was also prescribed hydrocodone but she was absolutely broke and couldn't afford the copay to fill her prescription. She was waiting on her next check that would come in a few days but she was in agony. So my aunt gave her 3 of her pills to take the edge off while she waited, and when the friend got her prescription, she repaid my aunt 3 pills, same drug same dose. But then my aunt encounters the police and they search her and empty out her pill bottle and find that 3 of the pills are different because they were from a different generic manufacturer. She got a felony for that.

A felony for that, a felony for something where even a misdemeanor and a 20 dollar fine would still be a gross miscarriage of justice.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Go tell that to people in areas affected by endemic poverty where stable jobs or opportunities haven't existed in 60 years. This is out of touch nonsense.

I grew up on a reservation, don't talk to me about endemic poverty. That's an excuse made by people who'd rather play the victim than try. I saw it every single day. Why would someone want to put stable jobs in a gang filled dump like Detroit? And let's stop with this myth that every felon is just a poor victim of society. Because they're not.

It's funny because there's a massive body of research that disagrees with you but hey when has that ever stopped Americans from buying into pure fantasy.

[The Republic of Fore]

Eh, not really no.

Why not? Are people incapable of change? Making up for past misdeeds?

Let alone people convicted of felonies for things that absolutely should not be felonies.

Incapable? No of course not, but most of them don't. Everyone says they want to change, but few ever actually do. I see no reason why someone would want to take a risk on a felon when there's non criminals they could hire.

[The Republic of Fore]

I grew up on a reservation, don't talk to me about endemic poverty. That's an excuse made by people who'd rather play the victim than try. I saw it every single day. Why would someone want to put stable jobs in a gang filled dump like Detroit? And let's stop with this myth that every felon is just a poor victim of society. Because they're not.

It's funny because there's a massive body of research that disagrees with you but hey when has that ever stopped Americans from buying into pure fantasy.

It's funny because research has never been proven wrong or used to make excuses for people. If someone would rather whine and squeal "but poverty! but oppression!" then I feel zero sympathy. What's the research that excuses Native Americans from being among the least likely to hold college degrees despite getting steep discounts in tuition or even going completely free? That's a chance most americans would kill for. Literally, because they'd have to join the military.

[Necroghastia]

Why not? Are people incapable of change? Making up for past misdeeds?

Let alone people convicted of felonies for things that absolutely should not be felonies.

Incapable? No of course not, but most of them don't.

And the ones that do, you still don;t think they should have basic rights restored to them?

Everyone says they want to change, but few ever actually do.

Prejudiced and stuck-up attitudes that make getting a decent job harder and being stripped of basic rights tends to demoralize people, who'd have thought?

[The Republic of Fore]

Incapable? No of course not, but most of them don't.

And the ones that do, you still don;t think they should have basic rights restored to them?

Everyone says they want to change, but few ever actually do.

Prejudiced and stuck-up attitudes that make getting a decent job harder and being stripped of basic rights tends to demoralize people, who'd have thought?

1. Nope, they still could have tried the simple task of "not committing a felony". I don't feel sorry for felons.
2. Then they didn't want it that badly. If getting your feefees hurt stops you from pursuing something you were probably going to fail anyway.

[The Republic of Fore]

Oh I know the answer, I just don't feel the least bit of sympathy. It isn't difficult to not be a felon.

I told this story on NS before:

My aunt had legally prescribed hydrocodone. One of her friends was severely hurt and was also prescribed hydrocodone but she was absolutely broke and couldn't afford the copay to fill her prescription. She was waiting on her next check that would come in a few days but she was in agony. So my aunt gave her 3 of her pills to take the edge off while she waited, and when the friend got her prescription, she repaid my aunt 3 pills, same drug same dose. But then my aunt encounters the police and they search her and empty out her pill bottle and find that 3 of the pills are different because they were from a different generic manufacturer. She got a felony for that.

A felony for that, a felony for something where even a misdemeanor and a 20 dollar fine would still be a gross miscarriage of justice.

And for every person like your aunt there's 10 who sold their pills on the street then barge into the ER demanding a refill because "someone stole my script." You shouldn't share scripts, especially not a controlled substance.

[Necroghastia]

And the ones that do, you still don;t think they should have basic rights restored to them?

Prejudiced and stuck-up attitudes that make getting a decent job harder and being stripped of basic rights tends to demoralize people, who'd have thought?

1. Nope, they still could have tried the simple task of "not committing a felony". I don't feel sorry for felons.

Oh I know the answer, I just don't feel the least bit of sympathy. It isn't difficult to not be a felon.

I told this story on NS before:

My aunt had legally prescribed hydrocodone. One of her friends was severely hurt and was also prescribed hydrocodone but she was absolutely broke and couldn't afford the copay to fill her prescription. She was waiting on her next check that would come in a few days but she was in agony. So my aunt gave her 3 of her pills to take the edge off while she waited, and when the friend got her prescription, she repaid my aunt 3 pills, same drug same dose. But then my aunt encounters the police and they search her and empty out her pill bottle and find that 3 of the pills are different because they were from a different generic manufacturer. She got a felony for that.

A felony for that, a felony for something where even a misdemeanor and a 20 dollar fine would still be a gross miscarriage of justice.

SiMpLe tAsK
god what's the point of even letting em out of jail then
hell what's the point of jail, just shoot em all amirite

2. Then they didn't want it that badly. If getting your feefees hurt stops you from pursuing something you were probably going to fail anyway.

We get it, you don't understand psychology in the slightest.

[The Republic of Fore]

1. Nope, they still could have tried the simple task of "not committing a felony". I don't feel sorry for felons.

I told this story on NS before:

My aunt had legally prescribed hydrocodone. One of her friends was severely hurt and was also prescribed hydrocodone but she was absolutely broke and couldn't afford the copay to fill her prescription. She was waiting on her next check that would come in a few days but she was in agony. So my aunt gave her 3 of her pills to take the edge off while she waited, and when the friend got her prescription, she repaid my aunt 3 pills, same drug same dose. But then my aunt encounters the police and they search her and empty out her pill bottle and find that 3 of the pills are different because they were from a different generic manufacturer. She got a felony for that.

A felony for that, a felony for something where even a misdemeanor and a 20 dollar fine would still be a gross miscarriage of justice.

SiMpLe tAsK
god what's the point of even letting em out of jail then
hell what's the point of jail, just shoot em all amirite

2. Then they didn't want it that badly. If getting your feefees hurt stops you from pursuing something you were probably going to fail anyway.

We get it, you don't understand psychology in the slightest.

1. Yeah, don't share pills. See? Wasn't so hard. And considering how few americans bother to vote, I doubt most felons would care.
2. I don't make excuses for lazy whiners. If you want something that badly then "wahhh dey said mean wurdsss!!!" isn't going to stop you. If it does, then maybe you deserved to fail. Because everyone isn't going to be nice. There will always be people putting you down, Doesn't matter if you're a criminal or johnny d paleface from the suburbs.

[Necroghastia]

SiMpLe tAsK
god what's the point of even letting em out of jail then
hell what's the point of jail, just shoot em all amirite

We get it, you don't understand psychology in the slightest.

1. Yeah, don't share pills. See? Wasn't so hard.

Ya lemme just ignore my friend, who has the same prescription, but is fucked over by the way healthcare works and is in pain. God, do you have any empathy at all?

And considering how few americans bother to vote, I doubt most felons would care.

Doesn't make it not a denial of a basic right. Even one person's rights being infringed is a travesty.

2. I don't make excuses for lazy whiners. If you want something that badly then "wahhh dey said mean wurdsss!!!" isn't going to stop you. If it does, then maybe you deserved to fail. Because everyone isn't going to be nice. There will always be people putting you down, Doesn't matter if you're a criminal or johnny d paleface from the suburbs.

Fuck this attitude with a rusted harpoon. Yeah, no fucking shit a lot of people are dicks. Does that mean we shouldn't fucking try not to be? We shouldn't try to care for our fellow man? Your attitude is part of the problem, and honestly is way more whiny and lazy than the people you're complaining about. Because it demonstrates that you can't be assed to give even token support to other people. And society, in the end, relies on people supporting each other. If you don't think you're up for that, you sure as hell shouldn't be calling others lazy.