Republicans Rounding Up Democrats in Texas

[Godular]

This went on for a month in 2003 over redistricting. The Texas Republicans can wail all they like, but they weren't able to arrest Democrats then and they wouldn't be able to arrest them now.

As long as they remain in DC or in a state with a Democratic governor and legislature, Republicans really can't do much about it.

The governor can call another special session immediately after which he’s threatened to do.

Which will continue to be unable to make quorum.

[San Lumen]

The governor can call another special session immediately after which he’s threatened to do.

Which will continue to be unable to make quorum.

Abbott has said he will keep calling special session after special session until the next regular meeting of the legislature.

[Godular]

Which will continue to be unable to make quorum.

Abbott has said he will keep calling special session after special session until the next regular meeting of the legislature.

Which doesn't change the fact that it'll just keep not making quorum, waste everyone's money, and provide more fodder for the democrats to point out that the republicans aren't actually doing anything to fix shit that needs to be fixed... like the fucking power infrastructure.

[San Lumen]

Abbott has said he will keep calling special session after special session until the next regular meeting of the legislature.

Which doesn't change the fact that it'll just keep not making quorum, waste everyone's money, and provide more fodder for the democrats to point out that the republicans aren't actually doing anything to fix shit that needs to be fixed... like the fucking power infrastructure.

Republicans can counter by saying Democrats are holding up the business of government.

[Godular]

Which doesn't change the fact that it'll just keep not making quorum, waste everyone's money, and provide more fodder for the democrats to point out that the republicans aren't actually doing anything to fix shit that needs to be fixed... like the fucking power infrastructure.

Republicans can counter by saying Democrats are holding up the business of government.

So the fuck what? They're already doing that. You've only to look at what the Texas Senate's been passing in their absence to see they've no interest in actually doing anything of substance. What the Dems are doing is a legitimate filibuster tactic, and the Repubs can call as many 'special sessions' as they want. It won't change a damn thing.

[San Lumen]

Republicans can counter by saying Democrats are holding up the business of government.

So the fuck what? They're already doing that. You've only to look at what the Texas Senate's been passing in their absence to see they've no interest in actually doing anything of substance. What the Dems are doing is a legitimate filibuster tactic, and the Repubs can call as many 'special sessions' as they want. It won't change a damn thing.

Don't misunderstand I fully support what the Democrats are doing. If this is what it takes to stop this evil bill then I'm all for it.

[Godular]

So the fuck what? They're already doing that. You've only to look at what the Texas Senate's been passing in their absence to see they've no interest in actually doing anything of substance. What the Dems are doing is a legitimate filibuster tactic, and the Repubs can call as many 'special sessions' as they want. It won't change a damn thing.

Don't misunderstand I fully support what the Democrats are doing. If this is what it takes to stop this evil bill then I'm all for it.

I was not attempting to imply your position one way or the other. I was just pointing out that mentioning that the Repubs could call them out for 'holding up the business of government' is a very 'damage was already done' kind of thing.

[Kannap]

The longer this goes on, the funnier I think it is, same as when Republicans did it in Oregon. Better an dead-in-the-water government than a government that harms people.

[Dresderstan]

So the fuck what? They're already doing that. You've only to look at what the Texas Senate's been passing in their absence to see they've no interest in actually doing anything of substance. What the Dems are doing is a legitimate filibuster tactic, and the Repubs can call as many 'special sessions' as they want. It won't change a damn thing.

Don't misunderstand I fully support what the Democrats are doing. If this is what it takes to stop this evil bill then I'm all for it.

And yet when Republicans do it in Oregon, it's wrong.

[Fauzjhia]

Don't misunderstand I fully support what the Democrats are doing. If this is what it takes to stop this evil bill then I'm all for it.

And yet when Republicans do it in Oregon, it's wrong.

I do understand the tactics.
but the goal that was behind this tactics used by republican was wrong. You can compare climate change denial to electoral modification, because the democrats in Oregon where trying to answer a real problem, where the republican in Texas are not, there is no reason to adapt a law that protect the integrity of elections in USA, because there is no mass voter fraud organisation in USA, nor is the integrity of the election broken. This is trying to fix something that's not broken.

[American Pere Housh]

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/07/texas-house-votes-to-track-down-arrest-58-democrat-members-who-fled-if-they-dont-return/

Members of the Texas state House voted 76-4 to deploy law enforcement to track down and arrest 58 Democrat members who fled the state to break quorum to prevent a vote on a Republican-backed election bill. The House members voted on two motions brought by Rep. Will Metcalf, chair of the House Administration Committee to record present session members, ban members in attendance from leaving the chamber without first obtaining approval, and enable “the sergeant at arms, or officers appointed by him, send for all absentees … under warrant of arrest if necessary.” Texas law requires a two-thirds quorum of the 150-member House body to approve legislation, which it just falls short of without the 58 Democrat members.

Remember the Oregon thread? I think that rounding people up to get a quorum, albeit quite funny if done Texas style, is wrong, and should be illegal. What does NSG think? To get the discussion going, I'll fire up a few comments from the Oregon thread:

House Speaker... called the walkout “a crisis for our democracy. This is not a game. Voters elected us to do our job. The members who refuse to show up and do their jobs are saying to a large majority of Oregonians: your vote doesn’t matter.”

Many important bills have yet to be brought up for a vote with just two week remaining in the session. Governor Brown has said she might call the legislature back for a special session in the late spring.

I agree with the sentiments of the Governor and House Speaker. Everyone in the legislature was elected to do a job and if you will not do that job then resign. Show up and debate the bill or simply vote no. Rendering government inoperable is a dereliction of their duty and a violation of their oath of office. The Republicans in the legislature represent only 36 percent of the population and are acting like spoiled children and they ought to be ashamed of themselves.

Lumen clearly disagree with me, so I wanted to give his rational for supporting the Republicans in Texas. So which one of us is right in the case of Texas? NSG, sound off!

The Speaker of the Texas House of Representatives has the authority to issue such a warrant as stated in the Texas State Constitution.

[American Pere Housh]

And yet when Republicans do it in Oregon, it's wrong.

I do understand the tactics.
but the goal that was behind this tactics used by republican was wrong. You can compare climate change denial to electoral modification, because the democrats in Oregon where trying to answer a real problem, where the republican in Texas are not, there is no reason to adapt a law that protect the integrity of elections in USA, because there is no mass voter fraud organisation in USA, nor is the integrity of the election broken. This is trying to fix something that's not broken.

Voter fraud does exist in the United States so there is a need for these laws.

[American Pere Housh]

So the fuck what? They're already doing that. You've only to look at what the Texas Senate's been passing in their absence to see they've no interest in actually doing anything of substance. What the Dems are doing is a legitimate filibuster tactic, and the Repubs can call as many 'special sessions' as they want. It won't change a damn thing.

Don't misunderstand I fully support what the Democrats are doing. If this is what it takes to stop this evil bill then I'm all for it.

Tell me what in the bill that is evil?

[San Lumen]

Don't misunderstand I fully support what the Democrats are doing. If this is what it takes to stop this evil bill then I'm all for it.

Tell me what in the bill that is evil?

How about banning poll watchers from being evicted for violating election law for starters?

[Omniabstracta]

I do understand the tactics.
but the goal that was behind this tactics used by republican was wrong. You can compare climate change denial to electoral modification, because the democrats in Oregon where trying to answer a real problem, where the republican in Texas are not, there is no reason to adapt a law that protect the integrity of elections in USA, because there is no mass voter fraud organisation in USA, nor is the integrity of the election broken. This is trying to fix something that's not broken.

Voter fraud does exist in the United States so there is a need for these laws.

I’m sure there is lots of evidence you will be able to provide about substantive voter fraud in the United States. Those few dozen cases most certainly call for negatively impacting the franchise and voting experience of millions of American citizens, mhm.

[Fauzjhia]

I do understand the tactics.
but the goal that was behind this tactics used by republican was wrong. You can compare climate change denial to electoral modification, because the democrats in Oregon where trying to answer a real problem, where the republican in Texas are not, there is no reason to adapt a law that protect the integrity of elections in USA, because there is no mass voter fraud organisation in USA, nor is the integrity of the election broken. This is trying to fix something that's not broken.

Voter fraud does exist in the United States so there is a need for these laws.

How many must we tell there is no such thing as (organized electoral fraud) in the USA, there are small error, which can happen, but nothing like voter fraud.
Edit : and I have 6 sources to back my claim.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/us/p ... fraud.html
https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/en ... oter-fraud<
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/more- ... stortions/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurk ... 6c6f173315
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/0 ... ome-441832

do I really to mention the countless lawsuit that was rejected the courts, because saying there is voter fraud is not evidence.
And I wonder how can you submit any evidence of voting frauds, while the republican lawyers where unable to get any.
Please back your claim.

[Kannap]

I do understand the tactics.
but the goal that was behind this tactics used by republican was wrong. You can compare climate change denial to electoral modification, because the democrats in Oregon where trying to answer a real problem, where the republican in Texas are not, there is no reason to adapt a law that protect the integrity of elections in USA, because there is no mass voter fraud organisation in USA, nor is the integrity of the election broken. This is trying to fix something that's not broken.

Voter fraud does exist in the United States so there is a need for these laws.

[citation needed]

[American Pere Housh]

Tell me what in the bill that is evil?

How about banning poll watchers from being evicted for violating election law for starters?

You mean this part:

ARTICLE 4. ELECTION OFFICERS AND OBSERVERS

SECTION 4.01. Section 32.075, Election Code, is amended by

adding Subsections (g) and (h) to read as follows:

(g) A presiding judge may not have a watcher duly accepted

for service under Subchapter A, Chapter 33, removed from the

polling place for violating a provision of this code, the Penal

Code, or any other provision of law relating to the conduct of

elections, unless the violation was observed by an election judge

or clerk after the watcher was previously warned that the watcher's

conduct violated the law.

(h) Notwithstanding Subsection (g), a presiding judge may

call a law enforcement officer to request that a poll watcher be

removed if the poll watcher commits a breach of the peace or a

violation of law.

[The Snazzylands]

Voter fraud does exist in the United States so there is a need for these laws.

How many must we tell there is no such thing as (organized electoral fraud) in the USA, there are small error, which can happen, but nothing like voter fraud.
Edit : and I have 6 sources to back my claim.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/us/p ... fraud.html
https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/en ... oter-fraud<
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/more- ... stortions/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurk ... 6c6f173315
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/0 ... ome-441832

do I really to mention the countless lawsuit that was rejected the courts, because saying there is voter fraud is not evidence.
And I wonder how can you submit any evidence of voting frauds, while the republican lawyers where unable to get any.
Please back your claim.

The only reason there's no evidence is because the Democrat-run deep state covered it all up, obviously. Even if there were evidence remaining, the courts would still throw out the lawsuits because liberals also control all the courts

[Rusozak]

Voter fraud does exist in the United States so there is a need for these laws.

I’m sure there is lots of evidence you will be able to provide about substantive voter fraud in the United States. Those few dozen cases most certainly call for negatively impacting the franchise and voting experience of millions of American citizens, mhm.

"We found a fraudulent vote! Imagine how many undesirables must be voting, then! Cletus! Dust off the Jim Crow laws!"

[Krasny-Volny]

Being intentionally disruptive to the legislative process is the grown up congressional equivalent of s child’s temper tantrum. I’d support a Democrat majority doing the same to rogue Republican legislators.

[Necroghastia]

Being intentionally disruptive to the legislative process is the grown up congressional equivalent of s child’s temper tantrum. I’d support a Democrat majority doing the same to rogue Republican legislators.

Being intentionally disruptive to the democratic process isn't?

[Page]

Being intentionally disruptive to the legislative process is the grown up congressional equivalent of s child’s temper tantrum. I’d support a Democrat majority doing the same to rogue Republican legislators.

Congressmen are obligated to serve their constituents. If their constituents want legislation to be stopped and the only way to do that is quorum busting, they're doing their job.

I also find it disturbing how many people support politically-motivated arrests.

[Forsher]

Being intentionally disruptive to the legislative process is the grown up congressional equivalent of s child’s temper tantrum. I’d support a Democrat majority doing the same to rogue Republican legislators.

Congressmen are obligated to serve their constituents. If their constituents want legislation to be stopped and the only way to do that is quorum busting, they're doing their job.

I also find it disturbing how many people support politically-motivated arrests.

The US needs a new constitutional arrangement.

Of course, if you scale up the English Civil War and applied it to the US, the deaths would be in the region of about 13 million.

(For those who are confused... one of the precipitating events of the English Civil War, iirc the first one, was the attempted arrest of several MPs for political reasons. Though, they were possibly actually guilty... it was a bit of a "jumped the gun" situation, based on a quick glance at Wikipedia.)

In a terms of "a net lives lost" perspective, this is probably better than what will happen if the US keeps on trucking the way it is, but there have to be better ways of achieving substantive change to the fundamental errors at the heart of the US state.

[Immortan Khan]

It'd be kind of a chad move for Abbot to issue an executive order declaring the state reps to have abandoned their roles and force there to by interim reps to reach a quorum.