Republicans Rounding Up Democrats in Texas

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If they were serious about anything, they would not have spent a massive amount of money to flee out of state to a party stronghold. They would have stayed in Texas, protested, refused to comply, and got arrested. They would have made at least an attempt at a mockery. They could not lower themselves to even make a show. They are cowards and should be held in contempt by their constituents.

Breaking quorum is not a statutory crime and the goal of ordering the arrests is not to put them in jail but to drag them inside the Capitol to force a quorum, so it is in fact necessary to leave the state to accomplish their goal. Congressmen aren't afraid of being handcuffed and spending a few hours in custody, that's not what the move was about.

If it were me though as a Texas Democrat, if the quorum busting failed, my next step would be a Twitter announcement that I have tested positive for covid to force everyone into quarantine and necessitate a deep cleaning of the building to delay further.

[San Lumen]

If they were serious about anything, they would not have spent a massive amount of money to flee out of state to a party stronghold. They would have stayed in Texas, protested, refused to comply, and got arrested. They would have made at least an attempt at a mockery. They could not lower themselves to even make a show. They are cowards and should be held in contempt by their constituents.

Breaking quorum is not a statutory crime and the goal of ordering the arrests is not to put them in jail but to drag them inside the Capitol to force a quorum, so it is in fact necessary to leave the state to accomplish their goal. Congressmen aren't afraid of being handcuffed and spending a few hours in custody, that's not what the move was about.

If it were me though as a Texas Democrat, if the quorum busting failed, my next step would be a Twitter announcement that I have tested positive for covid to force everyone into quarantine and necessitate a deep cleaning of the building to delay further.

That’s going way to far. You could possibly face legal consequences for that.

[Ifreann]

Breaking quorum is not a statutory crime and the goal of ordering the arrests is not to put them in jail but to drag them inside the Capitol to force a quorum, so it is in fact necessary to leave the state to accomplish their goal. Congressmen aren't afraid of being handcuffed and spending a few hours in custody, that's not what the move was about.

If it were me though as a Texas Democrat, if the quorum busting failed, my next step would be a Twitter announcement that I have tested positive for covid to force everyone into quarantine and necessitate a deep cleaning of the building to delay further.

That’s going way to far. You could possibly face legal consequences for that.

Is there some Texas law that criminalises lying about being sick?

[San Lumen]

That’s going way to far. You could possibly face legal consequences for that.

Is there some Texas law that criminalises lying about being sick?

I don’t know but even if there isn’t pulling such a stunt would hurt their cause.

[Fauzjhia]

Republicans are trying to destroy democracy and actively harm people. The complete opposite of what Democrats were trying to pass in Oregon.

Republicans don't believe in Democracy or the rule of law so they should just pass what they want without a quorum.

Oh man. You got called out, in a thread OP.

You understand this is one of the times it's OK to post "I'm quite busy just now, I'll get back to you tomorrow" I hope?

its really not the same, same tactics, but really not same fight.
If I remember, the republican left their state over climate change, we can't call protection of the democracy
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environm ... -democracy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_House_Bill_2020

in Texas its over Voting rights bill.I believe Republican want to make it harder for people to vote, for their own gain.
One elements that make think like this, is that republican always use ensuring the integrity of vote and make it cheat, but every single voter fraud allegations was disproved, so why do we need to make the system most secure and harder to cheat if there is no voter fraud.
Its a bit like, when you lives in a no-crime lives-hood, they would suggest you to buy a security program to protect yourself.... From what exactly, there is no crime in your place. so why the republican need to make the election more secure, when everyone has established there is no mass voter fraud organization in the US ? This explanation does not hold up at all.

[Galloism]

Oh man. You got called out, in a thread OP.

You understand this is one of the times it's OK to post "I'm quite busy just now, I'll get back to you tomorrow" I hope?

its really not the same, same tactics, but really not same fight.
If I remember, the republican left their state over climate change, we can't call protection of the democracy
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environm ... -democracy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_House_Bill_2020

in Texas its over Voting rights bill.I believe Republican want to make it harder for people to vote, for their own gain.
One elements that make think like this, is that republican always use ensuring the integrity of vote and make it cheat, but every single voter fraud allegations was disproved, so why do we need to make the system most secure and harder to cheat if there is no voter fraud.
Its a bit like, when you lives in a no-crime lives-hood, they would suggest you to buy a security program to protect yourself.... From what exactly, there is no crime in your place. so why the republican need to make the election more secure, when everyone has established there is no mass voter fraud organization in the US ? This explanation does not hold up at all.

A bit more complicated than that - Oregon was using the emergency exception to avoid the Oregon constitution when it came to enactment of bills and public consent. Basically, most bills passed through the legislature wind up on the ballot the next election because it's easy peasy to get a referendum on any passed bill and it happens on a really really regular basis.

The exception: emergency bills

The democrats in Oregon were wanting to pass this as an emergency bill to dodge that provision that allows the people of Oregon the right to vote on new legislation. IE, they were trying to prevent their right to vote guaranteed under the state constitution of Oregon.

[Thermodolia]

So they should yield to the will of a party that only holds a legislative majority though voter suppression and gerrymandering.

Absolutely not.
I'm saying they should go their and make their voice heard, instead of running away to avoid something that will end up happening regardless, good or not.

And the way you said gerrymandering implies that it's a Republican only sort of thing, even if that sort of message wasn't intentional.
Gerrymandering is a universal thing. Both sides have party members elected on the sole merit of drawing voting wards to their benefit.

But they are having their voice heard. Far more than if they just voted no

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Republicans are trying to destroy democracy and actively harm people. The complete opposite of what Democrats were trying to pass in Oregon.

Republicans don't believe in Democracy or the rule of law so they should just pass what they want without a quorum.

Lumen not being consistent? Tell me it ain’t so!

[Thermodolia]

Is there some Texas law that criminalises lying about being sick?

I don’t know but even if there isn’t pulling such a stunt would hurt their cause.

Probably not. In my opinion any tactic is useful in defense of rights

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

its really not the same, same tactics, but really not same fight.
If I remember, the republican left their state over climate change, we can't call protection of the democracy
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environm ... -democracy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_House_Bill_2020

in Texas its over Voting rights bill.I believe Republican want to make it harder for people to vote, for their own gain.
One elements that make think like this, is that republican always use ensuring the integrity of vote and make it cheat, but every single voter fraud allegations was disproved, so why do we need to make the system most secure and harder to cheat if there is no voter fraud.
Its a bit like, when you lives in a no-crime lives-hood, they would suggest you to buy a security program to protect yourself.... From what exactly, there is no crime in your place. so why the republican need to make the election more secure, when everyone has established there is no mass voter fraud organization in the US ? This explanation does not hold up at all.

A bit more complicated than that - Oregon was using the emergency exception to avoid the Oregon constitution when it came to enactment of bills and public consent. Basically, most bills passed through the legislature wind up on the ballot the next election because it's easy peasy to get a referendum on any passed bill and it happens on a really really regular basis.

The exception: emergency bills

The democrats in Oregon were wanting to pass this as an emergency bill to dodge that provision that allows the people of Oregon the right to vote on new legislation. IE, they were trying to prevent their right to vote guaranteed under the state constitution of Oregon.

But would Oregon not have voted in favor anyway?

[Galloism]

A bit more complicated than that - Oregon was using the emergency exception to avoid the Oregon constitution when it came to enactment of bills and public consent. Basically, most bills passed through the legislature wind up on the ballot the next election because it's easy peasy to get a referendum on any passed bill and it happens on a really really regular basis.

The exception: emergency bills

The democrats in Oregon were wanting to pass this as an emergency bill to dodge that provision that allows the people of Oregon the right to vote on new legislation. IE, they were trying to prevent their right to vote guaranteed under the state constitution of Oregon.

But would Oregon not have voted in favor anyway?

Probably not, but of course that's speculation.

Cap and trade bills are deeply unpopular with the public at large. I'm not saying they're bad per se, but they are very unpopular.

EDIT: Still, whether they would or wouldn't, their right to vote they guaranteed at the state level maters.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Republicans are trying to destroy democracy and actively harm people. The complete opposite of what Democrats were trying to pass in Oregon.

Republicans don't believe in Democracy or the rule of law so they should just pass what they want without a quorum.

Lumen not being consistent? Tell me it ain’t so!

Not exactly true, I mean at least in the sense that Luman is being consistently inconsistent on the issue.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Lumen not being consistent? Tell me it ain’t so!

Not exactly true, I mean at least in the sense that Luman is being consistently inconsistent on the issue.

Good point. He’s being consistently inconsistent.

[Imperium of Dragonia]

Wouldn't need to """round them up""" if the Dems didn't flee from responsibility like they've been for the past decade.

[Necroghastia]

Wouldn't need to """round them up""" if the Dems didn't flee from responsibility like they've been for the past decade.

What precisely is their "responsibility," in your opinion?

[Vassenor]

Wouldn't need to """round them up""" if the Dems didn't flee from responsibility like they've been for the past decade.

What precisely is their "responsibility," in your opinion?

Probably rubber-stamping whatever the GOP wants to do.

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Wouldn't need to """round them up""" if the Dems didn't flee from responsibility like they've been for the past decade.

This is literally the exact opposite of fleeing from responsibility. They were elected by the constituents of their districts because those people believed they would uphold their interests. One of the interests of their constituents is to block legislation like this, so they utitilized the only option they had to do so.

Why do conservatives have such weird ideas of responsibility? This is just like what I hear about abortion, as if terminating an unwanted pregnancy isn't the most responsible thing one could ever do.

[ImperialRussia]

A-least Texas can return to its glory days not to influenced not foreign democrat voters.

[Necroghastia]

A-least Texas can return to its glory days not to influenced not foreign democrat voters.

what lmao

[The Church of Satan]

Regardless of what was up for vote, the fact of the matter is that the people those democrats were elected to represent voted them in to do their jobs; to introduce, vote on and pass legislation. Instead, they ran away from their responsibilities like children. If they had worked at a retail store and left the state to avoid working on Christmas, they would have been fired. Now not only did they get paid to run from work, they did so on tax payer money and still have their jobs. No politician, regardless of party, should be able to get away with it. Those particular democrats should be jailed and replaced by politicians that are willing to do their jobs, for better or worse. The harsh reality is that we rarely get what we want. They are (shockingly) adults and should know better.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

When we’re talking about United States politics in particular, I think the recent decades firmly established the precedent that legitimacy is meaningless and whatever a politician can do to advance their position, they should. It’s clear that procedure no longer matters in American politics, only results.

Let’s see if the Democrats succeed in running away or whether the Republicans succeed in rounding them up by force of arms.

[The Socialist Republic of Astrakhan]

Texas is Republican backyard. I like Republicans but I hate Trump.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

Legitimacy is meaningless, but establishing precedent still matters. And something has changed, from when the constitution still limited law.

Law, whether that be ordinary legislation, Constitutional law, or Common Law precedent, is only ever as good as compliance and, if that fails, enforcement. The Texan politicians do not wish to comply. So... who is going to enforce your precious constitution, exactly? The ideological opposition? Their own voter base? The international community?

Please. It’s the United States. Nobody’s going to do anything, except maybe the federal judiciary if they can even be bothered.

[Wizlandia]

Supermajority quorum is dumb imo. Reduce the levels to simple majority and you won't have this issue (whether in Texas or Oregon).

[Myrensis]

Ok, so as I'm reading this thread I'm seeing a consistent but blatantly horrible trend. A lot of you left-leaning folks are of the opinion that Republicans can not ever win a fair election, ever. Therefore, there is active voter suppression and Republicans never win fairly.
This is potentially one of the most dangerous rhetorics I have ever heard from you guys here on NS. That is blatantly stupid and utterly false by every available point of data. It is simply mind-boggling that you can claim something like that when every other president is a Democrat, and the Democrats currently hold a majority in the House and Senate. THERE IS NO VOTER SUPPRESSION. PERIOD. None of these bills promote voter suppression anyway. Last year, when covid was still a much bigger issue than it is now, many states created special provisions for people to vote, which included mail-in balloting and an election that lasted forever. In case you guys haven't noticed, covid cases are down (for the moment), and we no longer need those special provisions. It is absolutely not racist for a state to decide how to run its elections, so long as that law is applied equally. Not only this, but African Americans more often than not outvote their percentage of the population, and more of them voted for Trump in 2020 than did in 2016. Is this voter suppression? I have a damn good feeling that African Americans will continue outvoting their percentage because nobody except for maybe 5 stupid KKK members are trying to keep them from voting. This is the kind of terrible rhetoric that will end up splitting the nation.
"can never win fairly" my a##.

Dangerous rhetoric is Republicans screeching in every election that, despite their total inability to ever produce any actual evidence, every time they lose it's because of massive voter fraud by the Democrats, and that therefore they're the real victims and ramming through voter suppression laws and undermining democracy itself is totally just self defense!

That is exactly the point, Republicans are furious because all their previous voter suppression efforts failed to prevent Democrats from winning the last election, and they're determined to make sure it doesn't happen again. Which is why despite admitting repeatedly that even with record turnout stressing all those new systems put in place for the pandemic no fraud actually took place, they're now quadrupling down on rushing through legislation everywhere they can making it harder for minorities and city dwellers to vote while piously blubbering about how they're just trying to protect our elections from all the fraud that doesn't happen. And why this time they're going even further, since they're no longer confident that voter suppression alone is enough, so now they're busily purging local control of elections and voting processes and giving themselves absolute power over what ballots are counted, and in case even that fails, rewriting laws to make it easier to overturn the results of elections that don't go their way.

THERE IS NO SIGNIFICANT VOTER FRAUD, PERIOD, and it is Republicans who are hellbent on splitting the nation by using hysterical conspiracies and outright lies about imaginary fraud as an excuse to ram through legislation aimed at subverting the democratic process and suppressing the votes of Democrats, all while whining about how the Democrats are the real bad guys for calling them out on it.