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Breaking News Protests Across Cuba Against the Cuban Government Vote and Discuss Statements

01 - As long as the Committees for the Defense of the Revolution of Cuba, The CDRs exist in Cuba, there will not be any western style democratic change, with all its faults and merits.
54
11%
02 - The USA should create a Naval Blockade of Cuba, nothing goes in, nothing goes out, until Cuban regime falls from within and without?
33
7%
03 - The Cuban government Leaders Need to Resign Power and Leave Cuba for España La Madre Patria, or any Nations, this is the only Peaceful Solution for the Cuban People Possible in Cuba.
45
9%
04 - If Nations Help Cuba economically, you are not helping the Cuban People Democratically, You are Helping the Cuban government leaders stay in Power.
48
10%
05 - The Cuban government leaders will Make Economic Reforms with the help of friendly nations, thereby helping the Cuban People.
32
7%
06 - The Cuban government leaders will Make western style political reforms with all its faults and merits, with the help of friendly nations, there by helping the Cuban People.
12
3%
07 - If the Cuban government uses considerable force against Cuban Protestors, the EU and EU Nations, Should Enforce and International Embargo on Cuba, similar to the International Embargo on South Africa, Perhaps other nations to Discuss?
41
9%
08 - The USA should create a strong Embargo against the Cuban government regime?
33
7%
09 - The Cuban government leaders will never give UP Power Peacefully.
62
13%
10- The USA should respect the Cuban government and do nothing?
114
24%
 
Total votes : 474

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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:43 pm

Orostan wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Oh yeah, it is probably important to note. A government having the power to shut down their country's connection to the Internet is never a good thing, and them using that power is always a bad sign. The same applies for other forms of quick, long-distance communication. I'd go so far as to say it's indefensible.

I support Cuba’s right to stop the CIA from spreading propaganda and misinformation in their country.

Greater Miami Shores wrote:I cant believe the US government who has satellites and other advanced technology doesn't know anything of what is happening in Cuba right now? to take the necessary actions needed? They can order military air strikes at Cuban government military targets? So civilians are not hurt.

bruh

The USA bombs countries to destroy them not to help them.

Misinformation like the fact Cuba is a dictatorship and that democracies also have free healthcare?
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:43 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I cant believe the US government who has satellites and other advanced technology doesn't know anything of what is happening in Cuba right now? to take the necessary actions needed? They can order military air strikes at Cuban government military targets? So civilians are not hurt.

Five reasons not too.

1. It will make the Cuban protestors be seen as terrorists.

2. It will make them be seen as foreign puppets.

3. It will make the Cubans think that the protestors are unable to govern on their own.

4. Cuba might send a response in the form of bombings, and given they're a dictatorship i doubt they'll be kind. If they send every plane in cuba, I'm sure at least one will deliver a bomb to Miami.

5. If it hurts civilians somehow, it will put the other nations on alert. They will watch America's every move afterwards.

And in combination, if it happens, the cause will be lost. Now is that what you want?

ok I see your points. So what would you suggest?
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:46 pm

Postauthoritarian America wrote:Would it really be the best idea for the US to openly support demonstrations in other countries aimed at bringing down those countries' governments? What if Russia had supported the January 6 insurrectionists? Oh? They did?

I'd agree with Russia if no BLM protestors were arrested. However, there were 14,000 arrested, so this is unfair. That being said, only people who published threats and/or who were in the building should be persecuted, the first with threatening government officials, and the later(unless they killed someone) as trespassing on federal property.
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Postby Heloin » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:46 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Five reasons not too.

1. It will make the Cuban protestors be seen as terrorists.

2. It will make them be seen as foreign puppets.

3. It will make the Cubans think that the protestors are unable to govern on their own.

4. Cuba might send a response in the form of bombings, and given they're a dictatorship i doubt they'll be kind. If they send every plane in cuba, I'm sure at least one will deliver a bomb to Miami.

5. If it hurts civilians somehow, it will put the other nations on alert. They will watch America's every move afterwards.

And in combination, if it happens, the cause will be lost. Now is that what you want?

ok I see your points. So what would you suggest?

Not interfere. Any and all interference from the United States will only create a negative response from Cuba and its people.

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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:47 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Five reasons not too.

1. It will make the Cuban protestors be seen as terrorists.

2. It will make them be seen as foreign puppets.

3. It will make the Cubans think that the protestors are unable to govern on their own.

4. Cuba might send a response in the form of bombings, and given they're a dictatorship i doubt they'll be kind. If they send every plane in cuba, I'm sure at least one will deliver a bomb to Miami.

5. If it hurts civilians somehow, it will put the other nations on alert. They will watch America's every move afterwards.

And in combination, if it happens, the cause will be lost. Now is that what you want?

ok I see your points. So what would you suggest?

Let go of the blockade, maybe it will get the Cuban government to liberalize. Try to gather any information from inside the country and report on it. Maybe lend the protestors money(probably not, it may give them a false idea they can govern on their own if they have to rely on foreign money). Offer asylum to them as long as they have documents, if they don't the Cuban government might not find them either.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:56 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Orostan wrote:I support Cuba’s right to stop the CIA from spreading propaganda and misinformation in their country.


bruh

The USA bombs countries to destroy them not to help them.

Misinformation like the fact Cuba is a dictatorship and that democracies also have free healthcare?

Oh so you think the Cuban government is not a dictatorship government. As a native Cuban who still has family in Cuba, I strongly disagree. As i pointed out in a previous detailed post that is not as free as it seems.
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Postby Orostan » Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:00 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Orostan wrote:I support Cuba’s right to stop the CIA from spreading propaganda and misinformation in their country.


bruh

The USA bombs countries to destroy them not to help them.

Misinformation like the fact Cuba is a dictatorship and that democracies also have free healthcare?

Misinformation like the distortion of the USA’s imperialistic history and actual Cuban government policies.

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Misinformation like the fact Cuba is a dictatorship and that democracies also have free healthcare?

Oh so you think the Cuban government is not a dictatorship government. As a native Cuban who still has family in Cuba, I strongly disagree. As i pointed out in a previous detailed post that is not as free as it seems.

Cuba is a better democracy than the USA all things considered - the US constitution is much less democratic than Cuba’s constitution which was designed in large part through suggestions from regular people.
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:01 pm

Orostan wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Oh yeah, it is probably important to note. A government having the power to shut down their country's connection to the Internet is never a good thing, and them using that power is always a bad sign. The same applies for other forms of quick, long-distance communication. I'd go so far as to say it's indefensible.

I support Cuba’s right to stop the CIA from spreading propaganda and misinformation in their country.

Yes, because people could never rebel against their oppressive government without outside influence. That would be absurd.

Orostan wrote:Cuba is a better democracy than the USA all things considered - the US constitution is much less democratic than Cuba’s constitution which was designed in large part through suggestions from regular people.

You gripe about CIA "propaganda" and "misinformation", and then eat up everything the Cuba regime shits out. How's that boot taste?
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Postby Orostan » Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:03 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Orostan wrote:I support Cuba’s right to stop the CIA from spreading propaganda and misinformation in their country.

Yes, because people could never rebel against their oppressive government without outside influence. That would be absurd.

bruh

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Voice

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/ ... tir-unrest
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Postby Elpis and Eris » Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:08 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:*snip*

How is anyone supposed to find any relevant information in this giant wall of text?
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:09 pm

Orostan wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Yes, because people could never rebel against their oppressive government without outside influence. That would be absurd.

bruh

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Voice

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/ ... tir-unrest

Uh huh. A Wikipedia article about propaganda against jihadists, and an unsourced, seven-year-old article from tabloid.

Let's say I'm not convinced that the population of countries like Cuba are as stupid or lacking in the capacity for self-direction as you believe they are.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:10 pm

Elpis and Eris wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:*snip*

How is anyone supposed to find any relevant information in this giant wall of text?


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Postby Orostan » Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:12 pm

Proctopeo wrote:

Uh huh. A Wikipedia article about propaganda against jihadists, and an unsourced, seven-year-old article from tabloid.

Let's say I'm not convinced that the population of countries like Cuba are as stupid or lacking in the capacity for self-direction as you believe they are.

>yeah bro just trust me bro we would never lie to you we only wanted to use this against jihadists please ignore all the Farsi language bots.

>any source I don’t like is a tabloid

cope, imperialist. People can organize themselves just fine but they sure as hell won’t organize themselves to support a US invasion.
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:19 pm

Orostan wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Uh huh. A Wikipedia article about propaganda against jihadists, and an unsourced, seven-year-old article from tabloid.

Let's say I'm not convinced that the population of countries like Cuba are as stupid or lacking in the capacity for self-direction as you believe they are.

>yeah bro just trust me bro we would never lie to you we only wanted to use this against jihadists please ignore all the Farsi language bots.

>any source I don’t like is a tabloid

cope, imperialist.

Sounds like you're the one coping, bootlicker.

People can organize themselves just fine but they sure as hell won’t organize themselves to support a US invasion.

Well, except the expats I suppose. But more to the point, I don't support an invasion. I'd much prefer a peaceful transition of power to a system that actually serves the people; it's evident that the "democracy" of party stooges and cronies only exists to serve itself. Failing that, a revolution, though that could have unforeseen consequences.
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Postby Orostan » Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:21 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Orostan wrote:>yeah bro just trust me bro we would never lie to you we only wanted to use this against jihadists please ignore all the Farsi language bots.

>any source I don’t like is a tabloid

cope, imperialist.

Sounds like you're the one coping, bootlicker.

People can organize themselves just fine but they sure as hell won’t organize themselves to support a US invasion.

Well, except the expats I suppose. But more to the point, I don't support an invasion. I'd much prefer a peaceful transition of power to a system that actually serves the people; it's evident that the "democracy" of party stooges and cronies only exists to serve itself. Failing that, a revolution, though that could have unforeseen consequences.

1. You are the only one licking CIA boots here.

2. Most people support the Cuban government, they voted overwhelmingly to approve its constitution.
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:27 pm

Orostan wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Sounds like you're the one coping, bootlicker.


Well, except the expats I suppose. But more to the point, I don't support an invasion. I'd much prefer a peaceful transition of power to a system that actually serves the people; it's evident that the "democracy" of party stooges and cronies only exists to serve itself. Failing that, a revolution, though that could have unforeseen consequences.

1. You are the only one licking CIA boots here.

You always deepthroat the boots of any vaguely left-wing dictatorship. I'm not "licking" the CIA's boots, I'm saying that the Cubans aren't the morons you believe they are.

2. Most people support the Cuban government, they voted overwhelmingly to approve its constitution.

I highly doubt that.

Edit: This is giving me similar vibes to flat earth or "vaccines cause autism". That is to say, you're arguing from a position that necessitates disregarding almost all the facts except for the scant few that can be twisted into support.
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Postby Orostan » Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:09 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Orostan wrote:1. You are the only one licking CIA boots here.

You always deepthroat the boots of any vaguely left-wing dictatorship. I'm not "licking" the CIA's boots, I'm saying that the Cubans aren't the morons you believe they are.

2. Most people support the Cuban government, they voted overwhelmingly to approve its constitution.

I highly doubt that.

Edit: This is giving me similar vibes to flat earth or "vaccines cause autism". That is to say, you're arguing from a position that necessitates disregarding almost all the facts except for the scant few that can be twisted into support.


1. The only dictatorships I like are dictatorships of the proletariat. I also agree that Cubans aren’t morons - if they were they’d support the USA trying to destroy their country!

2. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Cu ... referendum

(not)Edit: This is giving me similar vibes to American exceptionalism or "socialism is when the government does stuff". That is to say, you're arguing from a position that necessitates disregarding all the facts.

I too can say stupid bullshit and then apply it to you without actually making an argument.
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:17 pm

Orostan wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:You always deepthroat the boots of any vaguely left-wing dictatorship. I'm not "licking" the CIA's boots, I'm saying that the Cubans aren't the morons you believe they are.


I highly doubt that.

Edit: This is giving me similar vibes to flat earth or "vaccines cause autism". That is to say, you're arguing from a position that necessitates disregarding almost all the facts except for the scant few that can be twisted into support.


1. The only dictatorships I like are dictatorships of the proletariat. I also agree that Cubans aren’t morons - if they were they’d support the USA trying to destroy their country!

Well, they clearly don't support authoritarian socialism. Otherwise, they wouldn't be protesting!


Looking at the features of this constitution, one thing seems clear: the Cuban people are in favor of democratization, which you certainly despise. The attacks on civil liberties in response to these protests are likely only fueling that fire.
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Postby Ayytaly » Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:30 pm

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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:31 pm

Orostan wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Misinformation like the fact Cuba is a dictatorship and that democracies also have free healthcare?

Misinformation like the distortion of the USA’s imperialistic history and actual Cuban government policies.

Greater Miami Shores wrote:Oh so you think the Cuban government is not a dictatorship government. As a native Cuban who still has family in Cuba, I strongly disagree. As i pointed out in a previous detailed post that is not as free as it seems.

Cuba is a better democracy than the USA all things considered - the US constitution is much less democratic than Cuba’s constitution which was designed in large part through suggestions from regular people.

No healthy democracy has 100% of a single party in parliament. Even North Korea, the USSR, China, and East Germany have token opposition.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:35 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Misinformation like the fact Cuba is a dictatorship and that democracies also have free healthcare?

Oh so you think the Cuban government is not a dictatorship government. As a native Cuban who still has family in Cuba, I strongly disagree. As i pointed out in a previous detailed post that is not as free as it seems.

I was being sarcastic to him, based on legislature composition and internet shutdown alone it's a dictatorship.
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Postby Comfed » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:42 pm

Orostan wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Oh so you think the Cuban government is not a dictatorship government. As a native Cuban who still has family in Cuba, I strongly disagree. As i pointed out in a previous detailed post that is not as free as it seems.

Cuba is a better democracy than the USA all things considered - the US constitution is much less democratic than Cuba’s constitution which was designed in large part through suggestions from regular people.

Yes. A one-party state is clearly much more democratic than the US :roll:
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Postby Orostan » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:49 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Orostan wrote:
1. The only dictatorships I like are dictatorships of the proletariat. I also agree that Cubans aren’t morons - if they were they’d support the USA trying to destroy their country!

Well, they clearly don't support authoritarian socialism. Otherwise, they wouldn't be protesting!


Looking at the features of this constitution, one thing seems clear: the Cuban people are in favor of democratization, which you certainly despise. The attacks on civil liberties in response to these protests are likely only fueling that fire.

1. There have been massive rallies in support of the government.

2. Everyone likes democracy and I do too - the protests aren’t about “attacks on civil liberties”, they started off as some discontent around economic crisis related problems and then got taken over by the CIA and gusanos.

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Orostan wrote:Misinformation like the distortion of the USA’s imperialistic history and actual Cuban government policies.


Cuba is a better democracy than the USA all things considered - the US constitution is much less democratic than Cuba’s constitution which was designed in large part through suggestions from regular people.

No healthy democracy has 100% of a single party in parliament. Even North Korea, the USSR, China, and East Germany have token opposition.

Technically Cuba has 100% of no party in parliament - the Wikipedia page I know for a fact that you looked at to say this incredibly uninformed thing is wrong. Cuban politicians are banned from running as members of parties.
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Who came up with the idea that Cuba is a democracy? :blink:
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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Who came up with the idea that Cuba is a democracy? :blink:


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