Breaking News Protests across Cuba against the Cuban Regime

[Orostan]

The OP: Brutal Repression of Cubans in their House by the Cuban Regime Forces. You hear the Mom of the Cubans Say My Sons, they were shot At, Please View the Video Link Provided:
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CRTtW1PDCc ... b7c7957a52

love my contextless videos. If this was America the person filming would have been shot.

[Greater Miami Shores]

The OP: Brutal Repression of Cubans in their House by the Cuban Regime Forces. You hear the Mom of the Cubans Say My Sons, they were shot At, Please View the Video Link Provided:
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CRTtW1PDCc ... b7c7957a52

You were ok with American protesters getting shot at in DC last June and now you are objecting to Cuban protesters getting it?

No I stated many times I condemn them. I stated many times, I condemn the violence at the Capitol Building by the minority in numbers of right wingers who committed the violence. I also stated many times, I condemn the leftist violence, in democrat run cities with democrat mayors by the minority in numbers of leftists who committed the violence. I asked all my fellow NSers to condemn with their posts the right violence and the leftists violence But only at least 2 did so. All the other leftists refused to do so. This is what I have stated and asked the leftists to do many times. But they refuse to condemn the right violence and the leftist violence. Because they refuse to condemn the leftist violence.

[Tsaivao]

It's simple we send in Paratroopers and Spec ops into Cuba. Shock and Awe, Land in Cuba and bring humanitarian aid for the Citizens. Round up the Commies and help the Citizens set up a democratic government. Open Cuba to US Companies. Once we introduce the people of Cuba to Democratic Ideas and Free Market Principles we can help them set up the government. Once things are running Smoothly they can vote to go Independent, Become an Associated State, or join the Union.

Who's ready for Crete + Bay of Pigs Electric Boogaloo, boys?!

This is a horrible idea in pretty much every way

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

You were ok with American protesters getting shot at in DC last June and now you are objecting to Cuban protesters getting it?

No I stated many times I condemn them.

You condemn what? The Secret Service clearing Lafayette Square with tear gas contrary to what everybody else was planning, so your idol may have a photop there with an upside down bible?
Why are you so opposed to Cuban protestors getting shot then?

[Picairn]

It's simple we send in Paratroopers and Spec ops into Cuba. Shock and Awe, Land in Cuba and bring humanitarian aid for the Citizens. Round up the Commies and help the Citizens set up a democratic government. Open Cuba to US Companies. Once we introduce the people of Cuba to Democratic Ideas and Free Market Principles we can help them set up the government. Once things are running Smoothly they can vote to go Independent, Become an Associated State, or join the Union.

Who's ready for Crete + Bay of Pigs Electric Boogaloo, boys?!

This is a horrible idea in pretty much every way

Christian Confederation is basically repeating the ideas of 1890s-1900s American imperialism. Invade, press unequal economic and political terms on Cuba while loudly declaring how we are giving Cuba independence and democracy, allow American monopolies to take over the market, educate Cubans in the American way^TM, then annex the territory.

[Greater Miami Shores]

No I stated many times I condemn them.

You condemn what? The Secret Service clearing Lafayette Square with tear gas contrary to what everybody else was planning, so your idol may have a photop there with an upside down bible?
Why are you so opposed to Cuban protestors getting shot then?

Your so called logic makes no logic. I support the Cuban People not getting shot for shouting Viva Cuba Libre Patria Y Vida Con Democracia. Viva Cuba Libre Homeland with Life and Democracy. Like For My Family Still in Cuba. My Native Nation.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Who's ready for Crete + Bay of Pigs Electric Boogaloo, boys?!

This is a horrible idea in pretty much every way

Christian Confederation is basically repeating the ideas of 1890s-1900s American imperialism. Invade, press unequal economic and political terms on Cuba while loudly declaring how we are giving Cuba independence and democracy, allow American monopolies to take over the market, educate Cubans in the American way^TM, then annex the territory.

(Neo)colonialism, the scurge of humankind. Otoh this whole invade Cuba thing is just plain old colonialism as seen during the Scramble for Africa.

[Asherahan]

I'm not convinced yet that this is anything real. The Cuban regime seems infinitely more stable than Gaddafi's Libyra. But if it can be verified that a revolt in Cuba has real momentum, I'd suggest it is time for the US to intervene in toppling the system Castro put into place. Only there probably shouldn't be any US ground forces involved. Instead this should be limited to sending money and other indirect help to Cuba's rebellion.

Imperialism for the Win.

[Tsaivao]

Who's ready for Crete + Bay of Pigs Electric Boogaloo, boys?!

This is a horrible idea in pretty much every way

Christian Confederation is basically repeating the ideas of 1890s-1900s American imperialism. Invade, press unequal economic and political terms on Cuba while loudly declaring how we are giving Cuba independence and democracy, allow American monopolies to take over the market, educate Cubans in the American way^TM, then annex the territory.

"Well it worked for Japan, I don't see why it can't work here!"

Honestly what frustrates me the most is how people who call for military interventionism often very rarely understand how armies actually work. Sending paratroopers into the heart of hostile territory is literally one of the worst possible methods of invasion that have ever been tried; it almost never works, not even with some of the best forces, because you immediately cut off your supply line as soon as you do it.

Also yeah, it's pretty fair to say that this movement is very unpopular in Cuba given the sheer mass of counterprotests. Whether or not intervention could be done, though, there's very strong precedent that we shouldn't.

[Greater Miami Shores]

We of Greater Liyue support the Cuban people in their struggle for freedom. We wish them the best and support them in their fight against Communism. Hopefully 2021 is the Cuban version of 1989 in Central/Eastern Europe.

I lived in Miami for years. Had loads of Cuban friends. I love Cubans. They are friendly, intriguing, and they work hard in the extreme. I had friends who survived the labor camps in Cuba. The evil Castro regime (don't tell me Diaz-Canel isn't a puppet of Raul Castro) is basically just Latin America's East Germany. Cuba deserves better than the Marxists. Viva Cuba Libre!

Thank You for your support for the Cuban People's Freedom and Democracy. Thank you for your support for Freedom and Democracy for My Family Still in Cuba. GMS Crazy Cuban Alberto. The OP.

[Asherahan]

Oh yeah i forgot Long Live the Marxist Revolution of Cuba!

[Kanadorika]

Ethel mi Amiga. I support poll option 2 - 02 - The USA should create a Naval Blockade of Cuba, nothing goes in, nothing goes out, until Cuban regime falls from within and without? Supported by 12 of us so far.

Good to know that 12 of you are ok with the idea of spilling American blood for your colonial project for the next 20 years.

Losing wars is an American tradition. Doesn't the idea of another decades long war that humiliates the US sound grand?

[Greater Liyue]

We of Greater Liyue support the Cuban people in their struggle for freedom. We wish them the best and support them in their fight against Communism. Hopefully 2021 is the Cuban version of 1989 in Central/Eastern Europe.

I lived in Miami for years. Had loads of Cuban friends. I love Cubans. They are friendly, intriguing, and they work hard in the extreme. I had friends who survived the labor camps in Cuba. The evil Castro regime (don't tell me Diaz-Canel isn't a puppet of Raul Castro) is basically just Latin America's East Germany. Cuba deserves better than the Marxists. Viva Cuba Libre!

The “evil Castro regime” is why Cubans have healthcare and can read.

Uh...
Dude...

I don't know how else to say this:

1: Improvements in literacy and healthcare can never erase the fact that tens of thousands of people died at the hands of the Castro regime and that they forced people into labor camps. Their leaders are still mass murderers.

2: Their healthcare system actually is not good at all. They have good future plans on paper, but critical supply shortages everywhere coupled with stifling corruption. They hardly have any essential meds and patients even have to bring their own blankets with them during hospitalization. No one deserves that.

You can see what happens when well-trained Cuban doctors get into a better healthcare system. Just look at the Cuban-American physicians in Miami.

[Ifreann]

The “evil Castro regime” is why Cubans have healthcare and can read.

Uh...
Dude...

I don't know how else to say this:

1: Improvements in literacy and healthcare can never erase the fact that tens of thousands of people died at the hands of the Castro regime and that they forced people into labor camps. Their leaders are still mass murderers.

2: Their healthcare system actually is not good at all. They have good future plans on paper, but critical supply shortages everywhere coupled with stifling corruption. They hardly have any essential meds and patients even have to bring their own blankets with them during hospitalization. No one deserves that.

You can see what happens when well-trained Cuban doctors get into a better healthcare system. Just look at the Cuban-American physicians in Miami.

I wonder if the lack of material resources in Cuba's hospitals might have something to do with the embargo.

[Orostan]

The “evil Castro regime” is why Cubans have healthcare and can read.

Uh...
Dude...

I don't know how else to say this:

1: Improvements in literacy and healthcare can never erase the fact that tens of thousands of people died at the hands of the Castro regime and that they forced people into labor camps. Their leaders are still mass murderers.

2: Their healthcare system actually is not good at all. They have good future plans on paper, but critical supply shortages everywhere coupled with stifling corruption. They hardly have any essential meds and patients even have to bring their own blankets with them during hospitalization. No one deserves that.

You can see what happens when well-trained Cuban doctors get into a better healthcare system. Just look at the Cuban-American physicians in Miami.

1. “noooo you can’t imprison batista’s men that’s an authoritarianism!!!”

By the same criteria you use to call Cuban communists mass murderers, Biden, Trump, and all the other US presidents are much worse murderers. Batista too.

2. Their life expectancy is higher than the USA which has a decreasing life expectancy. No one deserves an economic blockade, that much we agree on.

Also:

>implying the USA has a better healthcare system

[Wallenburg]

I wonder if the lack of material resources in Cuba's hospitals might have something to do with the embargo.

Or the pandemic.

[South Welford]

Uh...
Dude...

I don't know how else to say this:

1: Improvements in literacy and healthcare can never erase the fact that tens of thousands of people died at the hands of the Castro regime and that they forced people into labor camps. Their leaders are still mass murderers.

2: Their healthcare system actually is not good at all. They have good future plans on paper, but critical supply shortages everywhere coupled with stifling corruption. They hardly have any essential meds and patients even have to bring their own blankets with them during hospitalization. No one deserves that.

You can see what happens when well-trained Cuban doctors get into a better healthcare system. Just look at the Cuban-American physicians in Miami.

1. “noooo you can’t imprison batista’s men that’s an authoritarianism!!!”

By the same criteria you use to call Cuban communists mass murderers, Biden, Trump, and all the other US presidents are much worse murderers. Batista too.

2. Their life expectancy is higher than the USA which has a decreasing life expectancy. No one deserves an economic blockade, that much we agree on.

Also:

>implying the USA has a better healthcare system

So the Cuban government is obliged to nestle just under the brutalities of Batista and previous US presidents? If we’re being pragmatic and not, y’know, sensible, you have to think of the optics here. This excludes the incompetence of Havana that you’re presuming. If anything, you hurt your own argument.

Interesting article on Cuban life expectancy

[Orostan]

1. “noooo you can’t imprison batista’s men that’s an authoritarianism!!!”

By the same criteria you use to call Cuban communists mass murderers, Biden, Trump, and all the other US presidents are much worse murderers. Batista too.

2. Their life expectancy is higher than the USA which has a decreasing life expectancy. No one deserves an economic blockade, that much we agree on.

Also:

>implying the USA has a better healthcare system

So the Cuban government is obliged to nestle just under the brutalities of Batista and previous US presidents? If we’re being pragmatic and not, y’know, sensible, you have to think of the optics here. This excludes the incompetence of Havana that you’re presuming. If anything, you hurt your own argument.

Interesting article on Cuban life expectancy

“ Roughly half of deaths in stillbirths occur before actual birth. If Cuba relies on frequent exams, they might discover more late fetal deaths and induce premature births, counted as late fetal deaths instead of stillbirths (counted separately from neonatal, infant, child deaths.) Cuba has 6/1000 stillbirths, 2-3× less than Jamaica or Dominican Republic. (WHO) That interpretation does not require assumption that Cubans falsify the data. We cannot know the truth, but I tend to believe to CIA. Catholic priests know how many baptisms and child funerals they organized, they probably routinely report it to their superiors, it cannot be particularly impenetrable secret.”

From the comments of that article. Even if we take everything there as true, the Cuban life expectancy is still very good compared to the USA. I should also remind you that econlib is basically a propaganda organization - you’d hardly consider me credible if I cited an organization funded by another organization aligned with the Cuban government.

[Nilokeras]

They have good future plans on paper, but critical supply shortages

Gee I wonder why that is

everywhere coupled with stifling corruption.

This always struck me as an interesting bit of psychological projection, given that the American healthcare system for instance is rife with what we would call corruption if they were features of a third world country's system, but they've just legalized them. Only being able to get care in certain hospitals, doctors and hospital managers padding bills, insurance companies sending legbreakers to go after people that default on medical bills, etc. And of course one is reminded quite strongly of the critical PPE shortage in American hospitals too during the beginning of the pandemic, when people were using garbage bags as scrubs.

[Just-An-Illusion]

*sigh*

I knew these protesters wouldn't be taken seriously. Considering the fact some of the users in this thread want a full invasion of Cuba....

It's going to be Hong Kong all over again.

[Orostan]

No I stated many times I condemn them. I stated many times, I condemn the violence at the Capitol Building by the minority in numbers of right wingers who committed the violence. I also stated many times, I condemn the leftist violence, in democrat run cities with democrat mayors by the minority in numbers of leftists who committed the violence. I asked all my fellow NSers to condemn with their posts the right violence and the leftists violence But only at least 2 did so. All the other leftists refused to do so. This is what I have stated and asked the leftists to do many times. But they refuse to condemn the right violence and the leftist violence. Because they refuse to condemn the leftist violence.

Indeed, if those on the left didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any standards.

The left harangued for decades about Cuba's excellent healthcare, Yet today Cubans are protesting because of a shortage of quality healthcare, basic goods and services.

The low info mob on the left is noticeably silent.

Not surprising, because the left has been silent too the Third World poverty, crippling inequality, violent crime, and failing schools in enclaves they've governed exclusively for decades.

Literally everything the left touches, they destroy.

See Cuba, see Afghanistan, see California, see Detroit…

The counter-protests that support the Cuban government outnumber the CIA funded color “revolutionaries”.

also:
>the left did afghanistan

[Orostan]

I find it amusing and ironic that the communist Cuban government requires capitalist free market America to provide it sustenance.

How absurd and damaging to socialist ideology. These ideological midgets require free markets to bail them out.

Socialism is a fatal parasite, a cancer on society, it requires a healthy host to function. Eventually, socialism (progressivism) kills the host (nation-state), It moves onto the next healthy victim to devour.

Low info children-citizens, who have never experienced the evils of socialism or don't understand it, are the vehicle or the "cells" which this socialist disease latches onto to metastasize through a once healthy society

small island countries require some trade to exist who knew?

Capitalism is a fatal parasite, a cancer on society, it requires a healthy host to function. Eventually, capitalism kills the host (nation-state), It moves onto the next healthy victim to devour.

Low info children-citizens, who have never experienced the evils of capitalism or don't understand it, are the vehicle or the "cells" which this capitalist disease latches onto to metastasize through a once healthy society.

Socialism brought hundreds of millions out of poverty in China and the USSR. Socialism saved the world from Hitler. Capital has supported the most brutal dictatorships and coups against democracy and backed fascists whenever it was threatened.

“Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.” — Ernest Hemingway

[Senkaku]

I find it amusing and ironic that the communist Cuban government requires capitalist free market America to provide it sustenance.

Given that the American empire requires a constant supply of computer chips, auto parts, clothing, home appliances, toys, narcotics, and god knows what else from its various satrapies, I hardly think it’s fair to read a small, poor, tropical island for having failed to achieve autarky.

[Orostan]

small island countries require some trade to exist who knew?

Capitalism is a fatal parasite, a cancer on society, it requires a healthy host to function. Eventually, capitalism kills the host (nation-state), It moves onto the next healthy victim to devour.

Low info children-citizens, who have never experienced the evils of capitalism or don't understand it, are the vehicle or the "cells" which this capitalist disease latches onto to metastasize through a once healthy society.

Socialism brought hundreds of millions out of poverty in China and the USSR. Socialism saved the world from Hitler. Capital has supported the most brutal dictatorships and coups against democracy and backed fascists whenever it was threatened.

“Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.” — Ernest Hemingway

Absurd.

It was a small dose of capitalism that lifted China from decades of Third World poverty. Your sophomoric and empty semantic exercise notwithstanding.

Free markets are not parasitic, free markets represent beneficial aspects of human nature involving the peaceful and voluntary exchange benefitting all subjects of the exchange or the exchange would've never occurred.

If you're a leftist what you advocate is coercion and the denial of human nature and individual rights

Moreover, everywhere that free markets and representative gov't thrive you have prosperity. In contrast everywhere that collectivist, centralized economies prevail you have abject poverty and tyranny.

See Cuba.

1) China’s economy is majority state controlled - their anti-poverty programs aren’t reliant on free market magic, they’re reliant on state policy. Economic planning, to put it another way.

2) Capital is absolutely parasitic. Free markets have not existed for most of history and as such can’t be said to represent any part of human nature - they didn’t even emerge “organically”. They came about due to humans making conscious choices, not just existing. Markets are also far from voluntary, they force people to take part by forcing them to do wage labor to buy food. What individual rights does someone who can barely make ends meet have? What individual rights did the first class of real industrial wage workers that were forced off subsistence farms and into towns by the enclosure acts have?

3) Everywhere there are “free markets” there is only free capital and you have repression. Do you think the USA if it really did have representative government of the people would have such a bad healthcare system? Would more than half a million Americans have died of COVID under a really representative government? Would we have universal healthcare and free higher education as public opinion overwhelmingly supports?

4) The Soviet Union went from a backwards feudalistic country to a nuclear superpower with the second largest economy in the world in 30 years. Socialist governments have done the best at destroying poverty and illiteracy.

Maybe the US government represents you if you want endless war and a tyranny of Wall Street but it sure as hell doesn’t represent me, and your free market doesn’t seem very free to me either.

[Orostan]

Given that the American empire requires a constant supply of computer chips, auto parts, clothing, home appliances, toys, narcotics, and god knows what else from its various satrapies, I hardly think it’s fair to read a small, poor, tropical island for having failed to achieve autarky.

Singapore, Hong Kong (pre-Xi), New Zealand, landlocked Switzerland, etc. have far less batural resources than Cuba yet these nations are among the most prosperous and economically free.

A free people are the most productive "resource"on the planet.

Singapore is right next to what is possibly the best trade route in the world, Hong Kong is another trading city, New Zealand is a tiny country that was a wealthier colony of the British empire, and Switzerland is where nazis hide their gold. None of these make a good comparison to Cuba which for most of its history has been a resource extraction colony of one empire or another.