Breaking News Protests across Cuba against the Cuban Regime

[New Odrana]

And how many years of progress and lives were lost to get that progress? The former Soviet Union took twenty steps back and ten steps forward.

Years of progress were not lost. Yeltsin over Gorbachev and Putin any day.

Yeltsin was an incompetent dipshit who sank Russia's economy into the drain. Gorbachev at least gave enough of a shit about the population to try implementing reforms to improve the existing system (though he handled it poorly, imo). And though I dislike Putin, he's far more intelligent and competent than Yeltsin could've ever hoped to be. There's a reason Yeltsin is literally one of the most despised people in modern Russia.

[Sundiata]

Years of progress were not lost. Yeltsin over Gorbachev and Putin any day.

Yeltsin is hated in Russia because he destroyed the economy and country. Also reminder that he actually took power in a military coup in 1993 after being impeached and removed from office.

On 12 June 1991, Yeltsin won 57% of the popular vote in the democratic presidential elections for the Russian republic, defeating Gorbachev's preferred candidate, Nikolai Ryzhkov, who got just 16% of the vote.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'm pretty sure most Russians would beat the shit out of you for saying this lol

Why are Russian automobiles the most unreliable? They're always Stalin.

Yeah that's funny but most Russians still abhor Yeltsin because of how awful he was.

[New Odrana]

Yeltsin is hated in Russia because he destroyed the economy and country. Also reminder that he actually took power in a military coup in 1993 after being impeached and removed from office.

On 12 June 1991, Yeltsin won 57% of the popular vote in the democratic presidential elections for the Russian republic, defeating Gorbachev's preferred candidate, Nikolai Ryzhkov, who got just 16% of the vote.

You completely ignored the rest of his sentence.

Yeltsin is hated in Russia because he destroyed the economy and country. Also reminder that he actually took power in a military coup in 1993 after being impeached and removed from office.

He's referring to this.

[Punished UMN]

Yeltsin is hated in Russia because he destroyed the economy and country. Also reminder that he actually took power in a military coup in 1993 after being impeached and removed from office.

On 12 June 1991, Yeltsin won 57% of the popular vote in the democratic presidential elections for the Russian republic, defeating Gorbachev's preferred candidate, Nikolai Ryzhkov, who got just 16% of the vote.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russ ... nal_crisis

Parliament voted to remove him from power in 1993 due to the collapse of the economy, and he responded by having tanks bombard the parliamentary building.

[Punished UMN]

Why are Russian automobiles the most unreliable? They're always Stalin.

Yeah that's funny but most Russians still abhor Yeltsin because of how awful he was.

Pretty telling that Stalin has a higher approval rating than Yeltsin.

[Bombadil]

Reading actual reports, this isn't particularly big news is it? Seems it's as much a protest against the effects of the sanctions and pandemic combining to create shortages and high prices.

I get it's rare for protest to occur in Cuba but it was a couple of thousand people or so right? I'm sure that has exponential effect to the number of people who are unhappy but it's hardly a threat to the regime as far as I can tell.

[Just-An-Illusion]

Yeah that's funny but most Russians still abhor Yeltsin because of how awful he was.

Pretty telling that Stalin has a higher approval rating than Yeltsin.

Stalin has high approval ratings....?

Strange considering de-stalinization was a big thing in the Soviet Union after he died.

[New Odrana]

Pretty telling that Stalin has a higher approval rating than Yeltsin.

Stalin has high approval ratings....?

Strange considering de-stalinization was a big thing in the Soviet Union after he died.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2017/05/12/stalin-is-far-more-popular-with-russians-than-gorbachev-infographic/?sh=2bcc27211663

[San Lumen]

Reading actual reports, this isn't particularly big news is it? Seems it's as much a protest against the effects of the sanctions and pandemic combining to create shortages and high prices.

I get it's rare for protest to occur in Cuba but it was a couple of thousand people or so right? I'm sure that has exponential effect to the number of people who are unhappy but it's hardly a threat to the regime as far as I can tell.

On what basis are you making this assessment?

[Bombadil]

Reading actual reports, this isn't particularly big news is it? Seems it's as much a protest against the effects of the sanctions and pandemic combining to create shortages and high prices.

I get it's rare for protest to occur in Cuba but it was a couple of thousand people or so right? I'm sure that has exponential effect to the number of people who are unhappy but it's hardly a threat to the regime as far as I can tell.

On what basis are you making this assessment?

This..

“We are fed up with the queues, the shortages. That’s why I’m here,” one middle-aged protester told the Associated Press. He declined to identify himself for fear of being arrested later.

And..

The demonstration grew to a few thousand in the vicinity of Galeano Avenue and the marchers pressed on despite a few charges by police officers and teargas barrages. People standing on many balconies along the central artery in the Centro Habana neighbourhood applauded the protesters passing by. Others joined in the march.

Many people tried to take out their phones and broadcast the protest live, but Cuban authorities shut down internet service throughout the afternoon.

About two-and-a-half hours into the march, some protesters pulled up cobblestones and threw them at police, at which point officers began arresting people and the marchers dispersed.

Not saying it's nothing, given the rarity of public protests in Cuba, but on reading the OP I thought it was something much bigger I guess.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

And how many years of progress and lives were lost to get that progress? The former Soviet Union took twenty steps back and ten steps forward.

Years of progress were not lost. Yeltsin over Gorbachev and Putin any day.

He might've had a 2% approval ratting, so Russians would almost certainly disagree then and almost certainly disagree now.

[San Lumen]

On what basis are you making this assessment?

This..

“We are fed up with the queues, the shortages. That’s why I’m here,” one middle-aged protester told the Associated Press. He declined to identify himself for fear of being arrested later.

And..

The demonstration grew to a few thousand in the vicinity of Galeano Avenue and the marchers pressed on despite a few charges by police officers and teargas barrages. People standing on many balconies along the central artery in the Centro Habana neighbourhood applauded the protesters passing by. Others joined in the march.

Many people tried to take out their phones and broadcast the protest live, but Cuban authorities shut down internet service throughout the afternoon.

About two-and-a-half hours into the march, some protesters pulled up cobblestones and threw them at police, at which point officers began arresting people and the marchers dispersed.

Not saying it's nothing, given the rarity of public protests in Cuba, but on reading the OP I thought it was something much bigger I guess.

Oh well it was nice to briefly have dreams of a free and democratic Cuba.

[Rusozak]

Not sure how people got on the topic of Russia, but I'm not holding my breath with Cuba. Cuban Americans get jumpy whenever there's an incident between the Cuban government and the people. Right now, it's too early to think this is the beginning of the end for the regime.

[New Odrana]

Not sure how people got on the topic of Russia, but I'm not holding my breath with Cuba. Cuban Americans get jumpy whenever there's an incident between the Cuban government and the people. Right now, it's too early to think this is the beginning of the end for the regime.

Russia came up because it's an example of a poorly-handled transition from communism to capitalism that portends Cuba's possible future.

[Kowani]

Reading actual reports, this isn't particularly big news is it? Seems it's as much a protest against the effects of the sanctions and pandemic combining to create shortages and high prices.

I get it's rare for protest to occur in Cuba but it was a couple of thousand people or so right? I'm sure that has exponential effect to the number of people who are unhappy but it's hardly a threat to the regime as far as I can tell.

while this is the largest protest since the malaconazo of 1994, you're correct that unless something big changes, the government is practically unthreatened

[Ifreann]

Cuban President Miguel Díaz-Cane accuses at least some of the protestors of being indirectly paid agents of the US government



holy shit there's so much disinfo flying around this one, goddamn

Everyone in Cuba is actually a CIA plant.

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And how many years of progress and lives were lost to get that progress? The former Soviet Union took twenty steps back and ten steps forward.

Years of progress were not lost. Yeltsin over Gorbachev and Putin any day.

Boris Yeltsin, the only man to ever drunk drive a superpower.

[HISPIDA]

If Cuba does go through regime change then I hope it doesn't return to Batista's style of regime nor the American puppet state that came after the end of the Spanish-American War which preceded and continued under Batista. I don't think it will, though.

That being said, I'm certainly no fan of the Communist party. My hope for Cuba is that it eventually becomes a modern welfare democracy, but if the party can liberalize and humanize I'd be alright with that. The main problem with Cuba isn't the party, but instead the embargo and sanctions we place on it.

And how many years of progress and lives were lost to get that progress? The former Soviet Union took twenty steps back and ten steps forward.

Years of progress were not lost. Yeltsin over Gorbachev and Putin any day.

Ooooh, here we go.

The only thing I'll say on it, and maybe a hot take, but: Mikhail Gorbachev is, in my opinion, the best leader Russia has had in modern (i.e. around 1800 onward) times. He's been a big influence on my personal political beliefs and I genuinely believe that if the GKChP didn't try and oust him the USSR would still remain as a world superpower, albeit not under CPSU rule and much more libertarian and democratic. Maybe it wouldn't be entirely capitalist, although that wouldn't be a shock.

By contrast, Yeltsin illegally tried to gain control over the Russian parliament (see the 1993 Russian Constitutional Crisis, which is IMO one of the biggest tragedies to befall the modern Russian state after the August Coup), introduced shock therapy which led to the rise of the oligarchs and an economic recession (real GDP fell by 40% and the economy went into hyperinflation, eventually leading to the 1998 financial crisis, which is in my opinion one of the reasons Russia isn't likely to become a superpower again in the next few decades), was a notorious drunk (he once was found in New York in his underwear hailing a cab to get pizza), and almost single-handedly set the future presidencies of Medvedev and Putin. But I digress, and this isn't the point of the thread.

[Cannot think of a name]

Reading actual reports, this isn't particularly big news is it? Seems it's as much a protest against the effects of the sanctions and pandemic combining to create shortages and high prices.

I get it's rare for protest to occur in Cuba but it was a couple of thousand people or so right? I'm sure that has exponential effect to the number of people who are unhappy but it's hardly a threat to the regime as far as I can tell.

while this is the largest protest since the malaconazo of 1994, you're correct that unless something big changes, the government is practically unthreatened

Page 3 rule comes through once again.

[North Washington Republic]

I can’t say that I’m surprised to find people on NSG trying to critique an organic protest movement in Cuba. All because “fUcK LiBeRaL dEmoRaCy”. I mean the isn’t an attempt from the U.S to foster a coup, but “fuCK AmErIcA” anyway, right?

[Kowani]

while this is the largest protest since the malaconazo of 1994, you're correct that unless something big changes, the government is practically unthreatened

Page 3 rule comes through once again.

admittedly, i have no idea what this means

[Nazeroth]

Once the Cuban government is destroyed along with anything related to communism, a free market can be introduced and Cuba could be the jewel of the Carribean. People their literally have a hard time even getting ketchup, which is ridiculous. A lot of Cubans in America want that horrible regime toppled, it's not just Americans in black suits, many Cubans,especially in Florida, would love to return to their homeland if it was stable and free.

[HISPIDA]

Once the Cuban government is destroyed along with anything related to communism, a free market can be introduced and Cuba could be the jewel of the Carribean. People their literally have a hard time even getting ketchup, which is ridiculous. A lot of Cubans in America want that horrible regime toppled, it's not just Americans in black suits, many Cubans,especially in Florida, would love to return to their homeland if it was stable and free.

The thing is, again, it all depends on how that free market is adopted. The worst case scenario is simply that it isn't. Maybe the new regime is pseudo-fascist, or maybe even fully fascist, and rejects the free market for state control. Maybe it would be like the aforementioned Russia, where shock therapy leads to hyperinflation, oligarchy, and an economic crisis. The best case scenario is that it's like Poland, but that was gradual and according to some wasn't even shock therapy.

The reason that people have a hard time getting basic goods in some areas of Cuba (in cities like Havana you can find supermarkets packed with goods, just not very varied goods due to the lack of competition) is because of the US embargo, which was enhanced in 2001.

[Nazeroth]

From a slightly less biased source than what's basically the Miami version of Nigel Farage's fanpage:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57799852

The OP, Dude, As I posted on my OP introduction Post, the Cubans protesting are shouting Libertad Lbertad Libertad, Patria Y Vida. Liberty Life and Homeland. The eternal Cuban government as it calls itself, has ordered The Black Berets special military forces to put down the protests of the Cuban People, shouting, Libertad Lbertad Libertad, Patria Y Vida. Liberty Life and Homeland. They have been reported in Spanish by Telemundo and other Spanish news stations. They have been reported in a few English news stations. I am trying to find better links to them.

To Risottia and all Persons on NS. As the OP, native Cuban and American citizen. I am very disappointed in the Poll results so far. 10 Persons have voted for the US government to do nothing and respect the Cuban government. 2 Persons including myself for a US Naval Blockade of Cuba, nothing goes in, nothing goes out until the Cuban government regime falls from within and without. I Person myself for a stronger Embargo against the Cuban government regime. But all of you and Rissotia have a democratic right to vote and post your different views. I strongly respect all Persons Democratic rights to think differently than I do on all issues, including on my native Cuba. While strongly disagreeing with them, on any issues I strongly disagree with them on. Thank you all for your votes, posts and views. The OP.

The Cuban Black Berets Special Military Forces:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfuE32R2-cA

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/ ... 021-07-11/

The OP, I give credit for these links to Kowani. I think they are better than my links. Thank You Kowani for these links. GMS Alberto.
thousands of people take to the streets in protest, largely sparked by the collapse of the healthcare system

President Miguel Diaz-Canel calls on "revolutionaries" to take to the streets, there are now counter-marches

the government is shutting down the internet across the island- internet traffic to/from Cuba dropped to zero at 20:05 UTC

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They don't want to do anything because it's a self-proclaimed communist/socialist government in fear of being overthrown now it's all "Oh stand back stay away imperialists!"

meanwhile the Castroists are shooting and brutalizing protesters.

[Nazeroth]

Once the Cuban government is destroyed along with anything related to communism, a free market can be introduced and Cuba could be the jewel of the Carribean. People their literally have a hard time even getting ketchup, which is ridiculous. A lot of Cubans in America want that horrible regime toppled, it's not just Americans in black suits, many Cubans,especially in Florida, would love to return to their homeland if it was stable and free.

The thing is, again, it all depends on how that free market is adopted. The worst case scenario is simply that it isn't. Maybe the new regime is pseudo-fascist, or maybe even fully fascist, and rejects the free market for state control. Maybe it would be like the aforementioned Russia, where shock therapy lead to hyperinflation, oligarchy, and an economic crisis. The best case scenario is that it's like Poland, but that was gradual.

The reason that people have a hard time getting basic goods in some areas of Cuba (in cities like Havana you can find supermarkets packed with goods, just not very varied goods due to the lack of competition) is because of the US embargo, which was enhanced in 2001.

Hey, whatever comes next is probably better than what they have now. They need to open themselves up to the world and the Castroists are to busy doing what communists do best: Living fat and rich while the "working class" eats shit.