Breaking News Protests across Cuba against the Cuban Regime

[Fauzjhia]

Did the left care when the BLM Protested across the nation of the USA? The answer is No. Are the Republicans Political Saints? The answer is No. Are the Democrats Political Saints? Please answer the question? I here by drop this back and forth. The OP.

outlawing a protest is caring ? that's a pretty weird vision of life.
and you know, before you try make me say that democrats are no saint, (especially since they blocked Sanders, and any other socialism, and many of them see no reason to stop fossil fuel usage.) The world is not divided between democrats and republicans.

Also, it does not change that wrong to adopt a law solely against BLM, and not apply to Cuban-american protestor, if a republican and a democrat both commit bank robbery, both should be tried and punished for their crimes. you can't just punish the democrat and let the republican go.

[Greater Miami Shores]

The OP: I strongly agree, Americans don't know the real Cuba. You may discuss.
Cuba Protester Slams Bernie, AOC: ‘You Don’t See Americans Going to Cuba on a Raft!’
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021 ... cuba-raft/

[Genivaria]

I really don't think it's any of the US's business.

[Fauzjhia]

The OP: I strongly agree, Americans don't know the real Cuba. You may discuss.
Cuba Protester Slams Bernie, AOC: ‘You Don’t See Americans Going to Cuba on a Raft!’
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021 ... cuba-raft/

Seriously the breitbart, a far-right media..

at this point, I'm going to point out the obvious and you may ignore. But the rise of Platonic communists (authoritarian regimes / personality cult) great discredit Marxist, and shove the democratic versions, (Trotsky, first) in the shadow in the history.
Trotsky already describe that communism cannot function without democracy, that it will lead to the crystallization of a bureaucracy, and the creation of a new oppressive social class, to prevent this from happening, communism need constant revolutions. I'm sure you know, but the only revolution was 1959, no more revolution since then. Democracy, in a that vision work both as a way to limit the power of the upper social class, and a way to provide revolutions without spilling blood.

You guys on the right-wings should try to think about this.

[Greater Miami Shores]

The OP: I strongly agree, Americans don't know the real Cuba. You may discuss.
Cuba Protester Slams Bernie, AOC: ‘You Don’t See Americans Going to Cuba on a Raft!’
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021 ... cuba-raft/

Seriously the breitbart, a far-right media..

at this point, I'm going to point out the obvious and you may ignore. But the rise of Platonic communists (authoritarian regimes / personality cult) great discredit Marxist, and shove the democratic versions, (Trotsky, first) in the shadow in the history.
Trotsky already describe that communism cannot function without democracy, that it will lead to the crystallization of a bureaucracy, and the creation of a new oppressive social class, to prevent this from happening, communism need constant revolutions. I'm sure you know, but the only revolution was 1959, no more revolution since then. Democracy, in a that vision work both as a way to limit the power of the upper social class, and a way to provide revolutions without spilling blood.

You guys on the right-wings should try to think about this.

Communist, socialism as it has been practiced by all communists nations, have been eternal dictatorships like in Cuba. The videos speak for the persons on the videos, not for Breitbart.
lol, when leftists posts links of leftists medias, I don't question them, because leftist media and right wing medias have substance, I just strongly disagree with their leftist views.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

The OP: I strongly agree, Americans don't know the real Cuba. You may discuss.
Cuba Protester Slams Bernie, AOC: ‘You Don’t See Americans Going to Cuba on a Raft!’
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021 ... cuba-raft/

Seriously the breitbart, a far-right media..

at this point, I'm going to point out the obvious and you may ignore. But the rise of Platonic communists (authoritarian regimes / personality cult) great discredit Marxist, and shove the democratic versions, (Trotsky, first) in the shadow in the history.
Trotsky already describe that communism cannot function without democracy, that it will lead to the crystallization of a bureaucracy, and the creation of a new oppressive social class, to prevent this from happening, communism need constant revolutions. I'm sure you know, but the only revolution was 1959, no more revolution since then. Democracy, in a that vision work both as a way to limit the power of the upper social class, and a way to provide revolutions without spilling blood.

You guys on the right-wings should try to think about this.

Trotsky wasn't democratic, as he wanted total state control of the unions and was a supporter of the Red Terror. Modern Trotskyists are different though.

[Fauzjhia]

Seriously the breitbart, a far-right media..

at this point, I'm going to point out the obvious and you may ignore. But the rise of Platonic communists (authoritarian regimes / personality cult) great discredit Marxist, and shove the democratic versions, (Trotsky, first) in the shadow in the history.
Trotsky already describe that communism cannot function without democracy, that it will lead to the crystallization of a bureaucracy, and the creation of a new oppressive social class, to prevent this from happening, communism need constant revolutions. I'm sure you know, but the only revolution was 1959, no more revolution since then. Democracy, in a that vision work both as a way to limit the power of the upper social class, and a way to provide revolutions without spilling blood.

You guys on the right-wings should try to think about this.

Communist and socialism as it has been practiced by all communists nations, have been eternal dictatorships like in Cuba. The videos speak for the persons on the videos, not for Breitbart.
lol, when leftists posts links of leftists medias, I don't question them, because leftist media and right wing medias have substance, I just strongly disagree with their leftist views.

once again, you directly ignore my position on communism.
I wonder if you even read my post.

Trotsky wasn't democratic, as he wanted total state control of the unions and was a supporter of the Red Terror. Modern Trotskyists are different though.

and there I though he left the soviet union, and hided in Mexico, until he got killed (most likely by the URSS). And that, he lost faith in "soviet-communism".

the others influences in modern communist is Gramsky, who based his philosophy on machiaveli

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Seriously the breitbart, a far-right media..

at this point, I'm going to point out the obvious and you may ignore. But the rise of Platonic communists (authoritarian regimes / personality cult) great discredit Marxist, and shove the democratic versions, (Trotsky, first) in the shadow in the history.
Trotsky already describe that communism cannot function without democracy, that it will lead to the crystallization of a bureaucracy, and the creation of a new oppressive social class, to prevent this from happening, communism need constant revolutions. I'm sure you know, but the only revolution was 1959, no more revolution since then. Democracy, in a that vision work both as a way to limit the power of the upper social class, and a way to provide revolutions without spilling blood.

You guys on the right-wings should try to think about this.

Communist, socialism as it has been practiced by all communists nations, have been eternal dictatorships like in Cuba. The videos speak for the persons on the videos, not for Breitbart.
lol, when leftists posts links of leftists medias, I don't question them, because leftist media and right wing medias have substance, I just strongly disagree with their leftist views.

You're almost correct, but San Marino was a democracy for 12 years under socialism. Other socialist nations have been democracies, though they lasted less than a decade and thus were unstable.

[Genivaria]

I feel like this is an excellent example of the irony of the US condemning Cuba for being a 'failed state'.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Seriously the breitbart, a far-right media..

at this point, I'm going to point out the obvious and you may ignore. But the rise of Platonic communists (authoritarian regimes / personality cult) great discredit Marxist, and shove the democratic versions, (Trotsky, first) in the shadow in the history.
Trotsky already describe that communism cannot function without democracy, that it will lead to the crystallization of a bureaucracy, and the creation of a new oppressive social class, to prevent this from happening, communism need constant revolutions. I'm sure you know, but the only revolution was 1959, no more revolution since then. Democracy, in a that vision work both as a way to limit the power of the upper social class, and a way to provide revolutions without spilling blood.

You guys on the right-wings should try to think about this.

Communist, socialism as it has been practiced by all communists nations, have been eternal dictatorships like in Cuba. The videos speak for the persons on the videos, not for Breitbart.
lol, when leftists posts links of leftists medias, I don't question them, because leftist media and right wing medias have substance, I just strongly disagree with their leftist views.

Only that's not how it works. There's reality, there's biased news, then there's bullshit "news". Brritbqrt falls into that last category, and as such has little to no substance whatsoever.

"Communist nation" is also an oxymoron. Have you heard of the Zapatistas?

[Greater Miami Shores]

Communist, socialism as it has been practiced by all communists nations, have been eternal dictatorships like in Cuba. The videos speak for the persons on the videos, not for Breitbart.
lol, when leftists posts links of leftists medias, I don't question them, because leftist media and right wing medias have substance, I just strongly disagree with their leftist views.

Only that's not how it works. There's reality, there's biased news, then there's bullshit "news". Brritbqrt falls into that last category, and as such has little to no substance whatsoever.

"Communist nation" is also an oxymoron. Have you heard of the Zapatistas?

lol, Breitbart has no substance to leftists and anti Trump Persons. But Breitbart has substance to right wingers and Pro Trump Persons,

[Fauzjhia]

I feel like this is an excellent example of the irony of the US condemning Cuba for being a 'failed state'.

for much of their history, USA has always been fighting communism.
Cuba is fail state, and we take all step to make it fail, meanwhile we don,t care about the healthcare of your population, we still oppose a single payer system, because that's too (socialism)

[Fauzjhia]

Only that's not how it works. There's reality, there's biased news, then there's bullshit "news". Brritbqrt falls into that last category, and as such has little to no substance whatsoever.

"Communist nation" is also an oxymoron. Have you heard of the Zapatistas?

lol, Breitbart has no substance to leftists and anti Trump Persons. But Breitbart has substance to right wingers and Pro Trump Persons,

if we go with that logic, we could say that north korea news have substance to north korea supporter.
Stop this, and call propaganda, what it is, propaganda.

[Punished UMN]

Besides, I'm not the topic of the thread and I have no desire to indulge you and reformed whatever's paranoid delusions that I'm some secret Marxist-Leninist in deep cover since 2015 because you guys are butthurt that I call you out on having bad takes on foreign policy.

If you'd be bothered to read, you'd know that I'm against intervention in Cuba, and have said multiple times that if the party is to be overthrown or reformed into something more democratic, it must be Cubans themselves doing it, not the U.S. intervening. Intervening would be a waste of life.

I don't talk to you enough, but the whole reason Reformed America guy or whatever his name is hounds me is because I didn't think his takes on foreign policy vis-a-vis China were realistic or would accomplish anything productive.

I actually forgot all about that disagreement. That's not the reason for anything, and no, I don't care if one disagrees with me on foreign policy.

If you forgot about it then why do you keep following me around to insinuate I'm some secret ML? I'm not even the only one who noticed it, it was WRA who called you out on that.

[Proctopeo]

If you'd be bothered to read, you'd know that I'm against intervention in Cuba, and have said multiple times that if the party is to be overthrown or reformed into something more democratic, it must be Cubans themselves doing it, not the U.S. intervening. Intervening would be a waste of life.



I actually forgot all about that disagreement. That's not the reason for anything, and no, I don't care if one disagrees with me on foreign policy.

If you forgot about it then why do you keep following me around to insinuate I'm some secret ML? I'm not even the only one who noticed it, it was WRA who called you out on that.

How would you know that him supposedly following you around to call you an authoritarian was the result of a disagreement on foreign policy? That sounds like a guess more than anything...

[Punished UMN]

If you forgot about it then why do you keep following me around to insinuate I'm some secret ML? I'm not even the only one who noticed it, it was WRA who called you out on that.

How would you know that him supposedly following you around to call you an authoritarian was the result of a disagreement on foreign policy? That sounds like a guess more than anything...

Because it isn't that he was implying I'm an authoritarian, he goes around implying I'm specifically a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist, and has only done so because I disagreed with him on foreign policy regarding China and Taiwan.

[The Reformed American Republic]

If you forgot about it then why do you keep following me around to insinuate I'm some secret ML? I'm not even the only one who noticed it, it was WRA who called you out on that.

How would you know that him supposedly following you around to call you an authoritarian was the result of a disagreement on foreign policy? That sounds like a guess more than anything...

I don't even remember his views on foreign policy where we disagreed. It's more of his defense of certain regimes when supposedly an anarchist and the like. I mean, how much could we possibly disagree on foreign policy when I'm much more isolationist than our current establishment is? I'm no John Bolton.

[The Reformed American Republic]

How would you know that him supposedly following you around to call you an authoritarian was the result of a disagreement on foreign policy? That sounds like a guess more than anything...

Because it isn't that he was implying I'm an authoritarian, he goes around implying I'm specifically a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist, and has only done so because I disagreed with him on foreign policy regarding China and Taiwan.

I honestly didn't remember it, and that's not the reason at all. It's your seemingly sympathetic nature to certain regimes and Mao's reeducation through labor, and now you want the regime to remain in power despite the protests, regardless of popular support? How is that not at least resemble ML thought or positions. Your flags don't help either. I'm not a Republican who labels people without evidence so I feel pretty justified to at least coming to that conclusion.

You wanting the U.S. to abandon Taiwan would not be enough to come to any conclusions about your ideology. In fact, I did not even remember that discussion.

[Proctopeo]

How would you know that him supposedly following you around to call you an authoritarian was the result of a disagreement on foreign policy? That sounds like a guess more than anything...

Because it isn't that he was implying I'm an authoritarian, he goes around implying I'm specifically a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist, and has only done so because I disagreed with him on foreign policy regarding China and Taiwan.

You failed to answer my question. How do you know?

How would you know that him supposedly following you around to call you an authoritarian was the result of a disagreement on foreign policy? That sounds like a guess more than anything...

I don't even remember his views on foreign policy where we disagreed. It's more of his defense of certain regimes when supposedly an anarchist and the like. I mean, how much could we possibly disagree on foreign policy when I'm much more isolationist than our current establishment is? I'm no John Bolton.

See, this makes a lot more sense. It's also pretty obvious imo.

[Punished UMN]

Because it isn't that he was implying I'm an authoritarian, he goes around implying I'm specifically a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist, and has only done so because I disagreed with him on foreign policy regarding China and Taiwan.

I honestly didn't remember it, and that's not the reason at all. It's your seemingly sympathetic nature to certain regimes and Mao's reeducation through labor, and now you want the regime to remain in power despite the protests, regardless of popular support? How is that not at least resemble ML thought or positions. Your flags don't help either. I'm not a Republican who labels people without evidence so I feel pretty justified to at least coming to that conclusion.

You wanting the U.S. to abandon Taiwan would not be enough to come to any conclusions about your ideology. In fact, I did not even remember that discussion.

"Certain regimes" being all of them? I don't tend to view many regimes, whether democratic or authoritarian in black and white terms. I acknowledge that my standard of morality, being absolute pacifism, is pretty hard to swallow for anyone and afford all regime times some degree of understandability in terms of their policy, that includes but certainly isn't limited to ML regimes. I don't think there is a good measure of popular support right now. As for flags, you can be forgiven for that, but all of my flags are just inside jokes and you shouldn't take them to mean anything to anyone besides myself. I used to have a disclaimer for that in my sig, but had to remove it because of the line limit.

And I don't want the US to abandon Taiwan, far from it.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Only that's not how it works. There's reality, there's biased news, then there's bullshit "news". Brritbqrt falls into that last category, and as such has little to no substance whatsoever.

"Communist nation" is also an oxymoron. Have you heard of the Zapatistas?

lol, Breitbart has no substance to leftists and anti Trump Persons. But Breitbart has substance to right wingers and Pro Trump Persons,

No, it just doesn't have substance. Some people choose to believe the bullshit they spew, but it will never be reflective of reality. You might not like it, but you live in the same world that everyone else lives in no matter how much of this nonsensical shit you want to believe.

[Proctopeo]

lol, Breitbart has no substance to leftists and anti Trump Persons. But Breitbart has substance to right wingers and Pro Trump Persons,

No, it just doesn't have substance. Some people choose to believe the bullshit they spew, but it will never be reflective of reality. You might not like it, but you live in the same world that everyone else lives in no matter how much of this nonsensical shit you want to believe.

He could say much the same about any far-left rag that you uphold as true and be just as correct, tbh

[The Reformed American Republic]

I honestly didn't remember it, and that's not the reason at all. It's your seemingly sympathetic nature to certain regimes and Mao's reeducation through labor, and now you want the regime to remain in power despite the protests, regardless of popular support? How is that not at least resemble ML thought or positions. Your flags don't help either. I'm not a Republican who labels people without evidence so I feel pretty justified to at least coming to that conclusion.

You wanting the U.S. to abandon Taiwan would not be enough to come to any conclusions about your ideology. In fact, I did not even remember that discussion.

"Certain regimes" being all of them? I don't tend to view many regimes, whether democratic or authoritarian in black and white terms. I acknowledge that my standard of morality, being absolute pacifism, is pretty hard to swallow for anyone and afford all regime times some degree of understandability in terms of their policy, that includes but certainly isn't limited to ML regimes. I don't think there is a good measure of popular support right now. As for flags, you can be forgiven for that, but all of my flags are just inside jokes and you shouldn't take them to mean anything to anyone besides myself. I used to have a disclaimer for that in my sig, but had to remove it because of the line limit.

And I don't want the US to abandon Taiwan, far from it.

You've convinced me you're not a ML; I strongly disagree with you on the Cuba situation though.

[Christian Confederation]

Can we just annex Cuba and call it a day?

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

Can we just annex Cuba and call it a day?

Surprise, surprise, the guy with the Confederate flag is an imperialist who wants to extend American hegemony to Cuba.