Breaking News Protests across Cuba against the Cuban Regime

[Chernoslavia]

It was time for a regime change since 1959 lmao.

Bad take. Castro was an improvement over Batista in mostly every way.

False. And it doesn't matter if he was a slight improvement (If that BS is even true, my Cuban friends and neighbors ALL say otherwise), He was still a Communist dictator who murdered innocents. Fuck him.

[Gim]

Bad take. Castro was an improvement over Batista in mostly every way.

False. And it doesn't matter if he was a slight improvement (If that BS is even true, my Cuban friends and neighbors ALL say otherwise), He was still a Communist dictator who murdered innocents. Fuck him.

Maybe, he's talking about Raul, not Fidel.

[Gravlen]

Bad take. Castro was an improvement over Batista in mostly every way.

False. And it doesn't matter if he was a slight improvement (If that BS is even true, my Cuban friends and neighbors ALL say otherwise), He was still a Communist dictator who murdered innocents. Fuck him.

Not false, and not just a slight improvement.

That isn't to say that Castro was a great leader, however. Batista was just so much more awful than you seem to realize. (If your friends and neighbors say otherwise, perhaps they are ignorant of history, or perhaps their families also profited off of Batista effectively selling the island to the mafia and US corporate interests? Who can say. ) At any rate, he murdered thousands of innocents, estimated up to 20,000 people.

As JFK put it:

The third, and perhaps most disastrous of our failures, was the decision to give stature and support to one of the most bloody and repressive dictatorships in the long history of Latin American repression. Fulgencio Batista murdered 20,000 Cubans in 7 years - a greater proportion of the Cuban population than the proportion of Americans who died in both World Wars, and he turned democratic Cuba into a complete police state - destroying every individual liberty.

Yet, our aid to his regime, and the ineptness of our policies, enabled Batista to invoke the name of the United States in support of his reign of terror.

Administration spokesmen publicly praised Batista - hailed him as a stanch ally and a good friend - at a time when Batista was murdering thousands, destroying the last vestiges of freedom, and stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from the Cuban people, and we failed to press for free elections.

[Vassenor]

Bad take. Castro was an improvement over Batista in mostly every way.

False. And it doesn't matter if he was a slight improvement (If that BS is even true, my Cuban friends and neighbors ALL say otherwise), He was still a Communist dictator who murdered innocents. Fuck him.

Meanwhile the Batista regime murdered 20,000 people but that's OK apparently.

[Torrocca]

Bad take. Castro was an improvement over Batista in mostly every way.

False. And it doesn't matter if he was a slight improvement (If that BS is even true, my Cuban friends and neighbors ALL say otherwise), He was still a Communist dictator who murdered innocents. Fuck him.

Yeeeaaaaaah, if all your Cuban friends and neighbors are saying that Castro was worse than Batista (which, of course, is very objectively false, and no amount of anecdotes you're hearing from what are most likely a bunch of Fascist exiles changes that), then I'm 99.99999% certain your neighbors either directly profited off/worked for Batista's murderous, actual dictatorship, or they had family members who did. Because it sounds like they're literally doing the fucking "Castro took away my family's slaves!!1!" meme by crying about him being worst than Batista.

I’ve been out of the loop. Did the Miami Cuban expats go on their silly “support cruise” already?

They did, yes

at least no one sank this time...

Well, at least they learned not to try and pull another Bay of Pigs. Not gonna lie, though, it would've been funny to see us get a second round of what happened in Venezuela when those fishers arrested US hired guns, fuckin lmao i still can't believe that shit

[Gim]

Well, at least they learned not to try and pull another Bay of Pigs. Not gonna lie, though, it would've been funny to see us get a second round of what happened in Venezuela when those fishers arrested US hired guns, fuckin lmao i still can't believe that shit

You know, it's not as volatile as it used to be when the Cubans aimed missiles at America during the Kennedy era.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Well, at least they learned not to try and pull another Bay of Pigs. Not gonna lie, though, it would've been funny to see us get a second round of what happened in Venezuela when those fishers arrested US hired guns, fuckin lmao i still can't believe that shit

You know, it's not as volatile as it used to be when the Cubans Russians aimed missiles at America during the Kennedy era.

Fixed that for you.

[Gim]

You know, it's not as volatile as it used to be when the Cubans Russians aimed missiles at America during the Kennedy era.

Fixed that for you.

*Thumbs up*

Soviets, to be precise, though.

[Torrocca]

Well, at least they learned not to try and pull another Bay of Pigs. Not gonna lie, though, it would've been funny to see us get a second round of what happened in Venezuela when those fishers arrested US hired guns, fuckin lmao i still can't believe that shit

You know, it's not as volatile as it used to be when the Cubans aimed missiles at America during the Kennedy era.

Bay of Pigs was before Cuba accepted Soviet missiles into its borders. Cuba had absolutely every right to get a means to ward off future American ventures onto its soil, and the Soviets were literally only playing fair after America loaded Turkey up with its own missiles.

[Gim]

You know, it's not as volatile as it used to be when the Cubans aimed missiles at America during the Kennedy era.

Bay of Pigs was before Cuba accepted Soviet missiles into its borders. Cuba had absolutely every right to get a means to ward off future American ventures onto its soil, and the Soviets were literally only playing fair after America loaded Turkey up with its own missiles.

I'm not opposing what Cuba did.

[Kowani]

False. And it doesn't matter if he was a slight improvement (If that BS is even true, my Cuban friends and neighbors ALL say otherwise), He was still a Communist dictator who murdered innocents. Fuck him.

Yeeeaaaaaah, if all your Cuban friends and neighbors are saying that Castro was worse than Batista (which, of course, is very objectively false, and no amount of anecdotes you're hearing from what are most likely a bunch of Fascist exiles changes that), then I'm 99.99999% certain your neighbors either directly profited off/worked for Batista's murderous, actual dictatorship, or they had family members who did. Because it sounds like they're literally doing the fucking "Castro took away my family's slaves!!1!" meme by crying about him being worst than Batista.

They did, yes

at least no one sank this time...

Well, at least they learned not to try and pull another Bay of Pigs. Not gonna lie, though, it would've been funny to see us get a second round of what happened in Venezuela when those fishers arrested US hired guns, fuckin lmao i still can't believe that shit

they were just giving support to the legitimate president of venezuela, juan guaidó :^)

[Torrocca]

Bay of Pigs was before Cuba accepted Soviet missiles into its borders. Cuba had absolutely every right to get a means to ward off future American ventures onto its soil, and the Soviets were literally only playing fair after America loaded Turkey up with its own missiles.

I'm not opposing what Cuba did.

Oh, fair lol. I misinterpreted that, sorry!

Yeeeaaaaaah, if all your Cuban friends and neighbors are saying that Castro was worse than Batista (which, of course, is very objectively false, and no amount of anecdotes you're hearing from what are most likely a bunch of Fascist exiles changes that), then I'm 99.99999% certain your neighbors either directly profited off/worked for Batista's murderous, actual dictatorship, or they had family members who did. Because it sounds like they're literally doing the fucking "Castro took away my family's slaves!!1!" meme by crying about him being worst than Batista.



Well, at least they learned not to try and pull another Bay of Pigs. Not gonna lie, though, it would've been funny to see us get a second round of what happened in Venezuela when those fishers arrested US hired guns, fuckin lmao i still can't believe that shit

they were just giving support to the legitimate president of venezuela, juan guaidó :^)

ah, yes, of course. as we all know, only the mostliest legitimatiest presidents of foreign countries acquire power from US-hired mercenaries and special forces :^)

[Gim]

Yeeeaaaaaah, if all your Cuban friends and neighbors are saying that Castro was worse than Batista (which, of course, is very objectively false, and no amount of anecdotes you're hearing from what are most likely a bunch of Fascist exiles changes that), then I'm 99.99999% certain your neighbors either directly profited off/worked for Batista's murderous, actual dictatorship, or they had family members who did. Because it sounds like they're literally doing the fucking "Castro took away my family's slaves!!1!" meme by crying about him being worst than Batista.



Well, at least they learned not to try and pull another Bay of Pigs. Not gonna lie, though, it would've been funny to see us get a second round of what happened in Venezuela when those fishers arrested US hired guns, fuckin lmao i still can't believe that shit

they were just giving support to the legitimate president of venezuela, juan guaidó :^)

You mean Maduro?

[Kowani]

they were just giving support to the legitimate president of venezuela, juan guaidó :^)

You mean Maduro?

joke, mate

[Gim]

You mean Maduro?

joke, mate

Gotcha.

[Kowani]

I'm not opposing what Cuba did.

Oh, fair lol. I misinterpreted that, sorry!

they were just giving support to the legitimate president of venezuela, juan guaidó :^)

ah, yes, of course. as we all know, only the mostliest legitimatiest presidents of foreign countries acquire power from US-hired mercenaries and special forces :^)

you can tell he was legitimate because he didn't need a whole invading army, just 110 spirited comrades fighting together in the name of money and empire human rights and liberty!

[Torrocca]

Oh, fair lol. I misinterpreted that, sorry!



ah, yes, of course. as we all know, only the mostliest legitimatiest presidents of foreign countries acquire power from US-hired mercenaries and special forces :^)

you can tell he was legitimate because he didn't need a whole invading army, just 110 spirited comrades fighting together in the name of money and empire human rights and liberty!

exactly! and he got applauded by the entirety of the usa's main governing bodies when he declared himself slammed down a ballot box full of all the millions of votes exclusively for him which prove he's the legitimate president :^) which is the clearest of evidence that he's not simply a color revolutionary hellbent on turning venezuela into another banana republic for the usa!

Okay, that's probably enough circlejerking lmao

[Kowani]

indeed
some news, then

the sanctions seem to have triggered a round of solidarity, with nicaragua, mexico, russia, and bolivia all sending aid

[Gim]

indeed
some news, then

the sanctions seem to have triggered a round of solidarity, with nicaragua, mexico, russia, and bolivia all sending aid

I didn't know Mexico was against the U.S.. Maybe because of the wall?

[Torrocca]

indeed
some news, then

the sanctions seem to have triggered a round of solidarity, with nicaragua, mexico, russia, and bolivia all sending aid

Honestly, I am glad to see some countries just straight up ignoring the USA's illegal embargo, economic consequences to themselves be damned. It's really what the people of Cuba need now more than ever.

[Gim]

indeed
some news, then

the sanctions seem to have triggered a round of solidarity, with nicaragua, mexico, russia, and bolivia all sending aid

Honestly, I am glad to see some countries just straight up ignoring the USA's illegal embargo, economic consequences to themselves be damned. It's really what the people of Cuba need now more than ever.

At the same time, Cuba is losing refugees to U.S., as they swim across the border.

[Torrocca]

Honestly, I am glad to see some countries just straight up ignoring the USA's illegal embargo, economic consequences to themselves be damned. It's really what the people of Cuba need now more than ever.

At the same time, Cuba is losing refugees to U.S., as they swim across the border.

Well, of course. That's to be expected, honestly; since the Mariel boatlift, at least, Cubans going to the US for refuge have pretty much exclusively been economic refugees. I can't imagine it's an easy choice for any of them, given the situation they're being forced into.

[Gim]

At the same time, Cuba is losing refugees to U.S., as they swim across the border.

Well, of course. That's to be expected, honestly; since the Mariel boatlift, at least, Cubans going to the US for refuge have pretty much exclusively been economic refugees. I can't imagine it's an easy choice for any of them, given the situation they're being forced into.

I wonder if the Americans deport them back. Chinese officials deport North Korean defectors back to their homeland.

[Kowani]

indeed
some news, then

the sanctions seem to have triggered a round of solidarity, with nicaragua, mexico, russia, and bolivia all sending aid

I didn't know Mexico was against the U.S.. Maybe because of the wall?

cha'al
...this might
take a while

indeed
some news, then

the sanctions seem to have triggered a round of solidarity, with nicaragua, mexico, russia, and bolivia all sending aid

Honestly, I am glad to see some countries just straight up ignoring the USA's illegal embargo, economic consequences to themselves be damned. It's really what the people of Cuba need now more than ever.

the question is, will it expand beyond government aid shipments and into full on economic activity?
well, perhaps with russia, but it seems doubtful that anyone else is going to risk the american economic engine without a regional bloc to back them up

[Torrocca]

Well, of course. That's to be expected, honestly; since the Mariel boatlift, at least, Cubans going to the US for refuge have pretty much exclusively been economic refugees. I can't imagine it's an easy choice for any of them, given the situation they're being forced into.

I wonder if the Americans deport them back. Chinese officials deport North Korean defectors back to their homeland.

I don't think so? Cuban refugees are very, very good ammo for the US's propaganda machine, since that just completely ignores the US's complicity in why they're fleeing into the country to begin with.