Breaking News Protests across Cuba against the Cuban Regime

[Blargoblarg]

Gotta break out those sanctions

As if they aren't under enough economic sanctions already. We should be ending the sanctions and the embargo, not adding more.

[Fahran]

Gotta break out those sanctions

As if they aren't under enough economic sanctions already. We should be ending the sanctions and the embargo, not adding more.

We should probably be sanctioning leading party members as a matter of moral duty, but I can't say I'm surprised by Cuban asylum seekers and their descendants wanting punitive measures adopted. Cuban communism has impacted United States at this point, and that's going to make this a landmine any time it comes up.

[Asherahan]

As if they aren't under enough economic sanctions already. We should be ending the sanctions and the embargo, not adding more.

We should probably be sanctioning leading party members as a matter of moral duty, but I can't say I'm surprised by Cuban asylum seekers and their descendants wanting punitive measures adopted. Cuban communism has impacted United States at this point, and that's going to make this a landmine any time it comes up.

*Imperialism Intesefies*

[Sundiata]

We should probably be sanctioning leading party members as a matter of moral duty, but I can't say I'm surprised by Cuban asylum seekers and their descendants wanting punitive measures adopted. Cuban communism has impacted United States at this point, and that's going to make this a landmine any time it comes up.

*Imperialism Intesefies*

A notable feature of imperialism is sadism.

[Asherahan]

*Imperialism Intesefies*

A notable feature of imperialism is sadism.

No kidding.

[Sundiata]

A notable feature of imperialism is sadism.

No kidding.

Yes.

[Fahran]

*Imperialism Intesefies*

Refusing to trade with semi-hostile polities that violate human rights is hardly imperialism. In any case, I thought I made my stance on direct intervention quite well known. It's a waste of time unless the political community is willng to actually commit to it and the government is willing to formulate realistic goals and strategies by which those goals may be obtained. The US hasn't been capable of doing that for around half a century. So, clearly, we shouldn't. Especially not in the name of human rights.

And calling Cuban-Americans imperialistic sadists doesn't actually contribute a whole lot to the conversation. It's not only inaccurate given the narrow focus of their ire and the fact that their goal is to bring down a regime in their traditional homeland, but tends to side with authoritarians over people who are ostensibly in favor of democracy. You can oppose intervention without doing that.

[Gravlen]

Name them.

This is the Real Cuba:

Proving Me Right. Proving My Points.

01 - Foreign companies doing business in Cuba must apply to the government for workers. They cannot hire or fire workers on their own without government approval.

02 - Foreign companies pay the Cuban government in foreign currencies (e.g. euros, Canadian dollars) for their workers. The government pays the workers in Cuban pesos which are worth 1/20 of a U.S. dollar, pocketing 90% of every dollar it receives.

03 - All Cuban workers in the tourist industry or any industry that comes into contact with foreigners are carefully screened and selected by the government. Lighter skin workers and those loyal to the revolution are picked for hotel, resorts, and other tourist destinations.

04 - All labor arbitration must take place in the corrupt and arbitrary government offices where little protection is given to the worker or the foreign investor. There is no independent judicial system in the island and all judges are appointed by and work for the government.

05 - There is only one labor federation in Cuba, the Central de Trabajadores de Cuba (CTC), organized and controlled by the Cuban government.

06 - All workers must be members of the CTC and pay dues.

07 - “Elections” at the CTC are held periodically. Only candidates approved by the Cuban Communist Party are allowed to run for local or national leadership positions.

08 - There is no collective or individual bargaining in Cuba.

09 - Workers cannot change jobs without government permission.

10 - Most businesses/agricultural and industrial enterprises are owned by the government—most Cubans work for the State.

11 - All salaries and benefits are determined by the State.

12 - Workers are hired, disciplined, and fired by the government.

13 - The Cuban government hires out physicians, artists, musicians, bartenders, etc. to foreign countries and foreign companies abroad. Cubans usually reside for six months to two years in foreign countries and are paid in hard currency. Yet 40% of their salaries are deducted by their employers and sent to the Castro regime. The amount the Cuban government receives from hired workers abroad ($8-10 billion yearly), is the largest income figure in Cuban budget.

U.S. investors hoping to do business in Cuba face numerous problems/issues which include the resolution of U.S. properties confiscated by the Cuban government in the early 1960s; an arbitrary legal system controlled by Gen. Raul Castro and the military; widespread corruption; a value system that includes stealing from enterprises and working as little as possible; and an investment law that requires foreign investors to partner with government officials, mostly military.

In addition, foreign investors will have to deal with the Cuban government violations of the most basic human and labor rights.

His Credentials:
*Jaime Suchlicki is Director and founder of the Cuban Studies Institute. He is the author of Cuba: From Columbus to Castro, now in its fifth edition; Mexico: From Montezuma to NAFTA, now in its second edition and the recently published Breve Historia de Cuba. He is a highly regarded consultant to the public and private sectors.

Jaime Suchlicki, Cuban historian, educator. Member national committee B"nai B"rith. Suchlicki, Jaime was born on December 8, 1939 in vHavana, Cuba. Son of Salomon and Ana (Greenstein) Suchlicki.

Suchlicki, Jaime was born on December 8, 1939 in vHavana, Cuba. Son of Salomon and Ana (Greenstein) Suchlicki. A Cuban Jewban, I am a strong supporter of Israel and the Jewish People. I have the nation of NS Jerusalem Israel.

More Credentials and all Credentials:
https://prabook.com/web/jaime.suchlicki/547179
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https://www.npr.org/2019/05/07/72069542 ... n%20losses.

IN THE COURT OF THE
ELEVENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT
IN AND FOR MIAMI-DADE COUNTY,
STATE OF FLORIDA
GENERAL JURISDICTION DIVISION

CASE NO: 99 15148 CA 04

CUBAN COMMITTEE FOR HUMAN CLASS REPRESENTATION RIGHTS, INC.,
a Florida non-profit corporation, a/k/a
COMITE CUBANO PRO-DERECHOS HUMANOS; and
FEDERACION SINDICAL DE PLANTAS ELECTRICAS, GAS Y AGUA,
a Cuban labor federation;

Plaintiffs,

vs.

SOL MELIA, S.A.,
a Spanish corporation;
MELIA INVERSIONES
AMERICANAS, N.V.,
a Netherlands corporation;
THE SOL GROUP CORP.,
a Delaware corporation;
SOL HOLDINGS CORP.,
a Florida Corporation;
SOL HOTEL MANAGEMENT COMPANY,
a Florida corporation;
SOL HOTEL ADMINISTRATION, INC.,
a Florida corporation;
LATIN AMERICAN LOGISTICS
CORPORATION,
a Florida corporation;
FANTASTICO TOURS,
a Florida business organization;
SHERRIT INTERNATIONAL CORPORATION,
a Canadian corporation;
LEISURE CANADA, INC.,
a Canadian corporation;
MERIDIEN GESTION, S.A.,
d/b/a LE MERIDIEN HOTELS & RESORTS,
a French corporation;
AMERICAN EXPRESS TRAVEL RELATED
SERVICES, INC., a New York corporation;
MERCEDES BENZ, A.G.,
a German corporation;
MITSUBISHI CORPORATION,
a Japanese corporation;
AIRBUS INDUSTRIE, S.A.,
a French corporation;
AEROFLOT RUSSIAN INTERNATIONAL AIRLINE,
a Russian corporation;
LTU INTERNATIONAL AIRWAYS, INC.,
a German corporation;
AIR FRANCE,
a French corporation;
BRITISH AIRWAYS PLC CORP.
a New York corporation;
IBERIA LINEAS AEREAS DE ESPANA, S.A.
a Spanish corporation;
AIR EUROPA,
a Spanish corporation;
AIR JAMAICA,
a Jamaican corporation,
CUBANA DE AVIACION, S.A.;
a Cuban corporation,
MEXICANA DE AVIACION, S.A.,
a Mexican corporation;
LACSA INTERNATIONAL, INC.
a Costa Rican corporation;
COPA AIRLINES, INC.
a Panamanian corporation;
AEROLINEAS ARGENTINAS, S.A.
an Argentinian corporation;
LAN CHILE AIRLINES,
a Chilean corporation;
ESICUBA, S.A.,
a Cuban corporation;
ACOREC, S.A.,
a Cuban corporation;
CUBANACAN, S.A.,
a Cuban corporation;
GRUPO GAVIOTA, S.A.,
a Cuban corporation;
HABANAGUEX, S.A.,
a Cuban corporation,
HAVANA ASSET MANAGEMENT LIMITED,
a Cuban corporation;
BETA GRAN CARIBE LIMITED,
a Cuban corporation;
CORPORACION CIMEX, S.A.,
a Cuban corporation;
HAVANATUR, S.A.,
a Cuban corporation;
FINCIMEX, S.A.,
a Cuban corporation;
REAL INMOBILARIA S.A.,
a Cuban corporation;
INMOCUBA, S.A.,
a Cuban corporation;
CUBATURS, S.A.,
a Cuban corporation,
RUMBOS, S.A.,
a Cuban corporation;
CUBA AMOR, INC.,
a Florida corporation; and
ABC CHARTERS, INC.,
a Florida corporation,

I have not posted so far on the so called free trade zone of the Port of Mariel, I can provide considerable information on, which backs up this link I have provided on Cuban workers hired for foreign corporations by Cuban government agencies and how they pay $ Cuban workers in Cuba.

No more excuses, denials and support, by the leaders of the nations of the world. No more excuses, denials and support by the Persons of the world, for the oppressive, eternal, revolution, dictatorship regime of Cuba, of over 61 years and counting.

Who in western style nations would like to live in the real Cuba, as Poor $ average Cuban citizens like my Family still in Cuba? The Communist, socialist, governing elite live like rich $ capitalists as the link Provided Proves:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1235120

I don't want to live in the Real Cuba. I want my Family and Friends in the real Cuba, to live in a western style, multi political party, prosperous, capitalist nation, with all its faults and merits. I want Freedom Democracy and Prosperity for the Cuban People and My Family still in Cuba. Cubans and Cuban Americans all over the world are demonstrating their support for a Free Democratic and Prosperous Cuba. Let them be able to send us in Miami, the USA and the world, Family Remittances $ and care Packages for a change, if they wish too.

This is how much the eternal revolution of the oppressive Cuban government, dictatorship regime of Cuba, for over 61 years and counting really cares about the Cuban People and my Family still in Cuba?

GMS: I don't look extremely silly because you and most leftists who might agree with you says so. I am not extremely silly or silly because you and any leftists who disagree with me says or implies I am so. This is not the first time, second time or third time you have posted this too me. But I am not offended, nothing offends me on NS and off NS. I learned this the hard way on NS. We are all NS Friends who can chat, post and RP with each other with Personal respect towards each other. I have posted many times, this is the way it is for me, this is the way it should be on NS and discord. I say discord because many of us are also on discord.

The OP: GMS Alberto.

Links Provided:
https://www.cubanet.org/htdocs/ref/dis/demanda.htm

https://cubanstudiesinstitute.us/princi ... in-cuba-3/

https://prabook.com/web/jaime.suchlicki/547179

So you failed to name any, and just linked to a random dismissed lawsuit which failed to provide any evidence for its claims? That's lazy and silly.

[Asherahan]

*Imperialism Intesefies*

Refusing to trade with semi-hostile polities that violate human rights is hardly imperialism. In any case, I thought I made my stance on direct intervention quite well known. It's a waste of time unless the political community is willng to actually commit to it and the government is willing to formulate realistic goals and strategies by which those goals may be obtained. The US hasn't been capable of doing that for around half a century. So, clearly, we shouldn't. Especially not in the name of human rights.

And calling Cuban-Americans imperialistic sadists doesn't actually contribute a whole lot to the conversation. It's not only inaccurate given the narrow focus of their ire, but tends to side with authoritarians over people who are ostensibly in favor of democracy.

Yeah because the US cares about Human Rights.

[Gravlen]

Gotta break out those sanctions

As if they aren't under enough economic sanctions already. We should be ending the sanctions and the embargo, not adding more.

The embargo should absolutely be ended. Targeting officials under the Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act is a much better way of going about. More of a scalpel-like approach, rather than using the sledgehammer again.

[Fauzjhia]

So you failed to name any, and just linked to a random dismissed lawsuit which failed to provide any evidence for its claims? That's lazy and silly.

wait, the lawsuit quoted was just dismissed
I guess that's why i could find any result out of it.

[Asherahan]

As if they aren't under enough economic sanctions already. We should be ending the sanctions and the embargo, not adding more.

The embargo should absolutely be ended. Targeting officials under the Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act is a much better way of going about. More of a scalpel-like approach, rather than using the sledgehammer again.

One problem being that the Cuban Goverment is so pervisive that what your proposing won't do much.

[Fahran]

Yeah because the US cares about Human Rights.

I don't really think it's a matter of the US caring about human rights or not. The fact remains that external state violence, even in service to good causes, is seldom altogether conducive to the promotion of human rights. The US has prioritized human rights quite a lot of late, as demonstrated by our stubborn insistence on propping up democratic regimes where dictatorships would better serve local interests and would be much less messy. That doesn't mean this policy actually contributes to the advancement of human rights globally. Not surprising given political instability tends to be a breeding ground for factors that reduce human rights and economic prosperity. Saddam Hussein, for instance, wasn't really big on human rights. The man murdered about two hundred thousand people in campaigns of ethnic cleansing, suppressed dissent through systematic torture, and allowed his rapist son to run around without a leash. Killing him should hypothetically improve human rights in the immediate area he ruled. And yet it left the floodgates open for other human rights abusers by creating a power vacuum and bringing together a convergence of factors that empowered said human rights abusers.

[Fahran]

The embargo should absolutely be ended. Targeting officials under the Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act is a much better way of going about. More of a scalpel-like approach, rather than using the sledgehammer again.

This was pretty much my suggestion. Of course, the Party has sunk its talons into almost every facet of society at this point.

[Asherahan]

Yeah because the US cares about Human Rights.

I don't really think it's a matter of the US caring about human rights or not. The fact remains that external state violence, even in service to good causes, is seldom altogether conducive to the promotion of human rights. The US has prioritized human rights quite a lot of late, as demonstrated by our stubborn insistence on propping up democratic regimes where dictatorships would better serve local interests and would be much less messy. That doesn't mean this policy actually contributes to the advancement of human rights globally. Not surprising given political instability tends to be a breeding ground for factors that reduce human rights and economic prosperity. Saddam Hussein, for instance, wasn't really big on human rights. The man murdered about two hundred thousand people in campaigns of ethnic cleansing, suppressed dissent through systematic torture, and allowed his rapist son to run around without a leash. Killing him should hypothetically improve human rights in the immediate area he ruled. And yet it left the floodgates open for other human rights abusers by creating a power vacuum and bringing together a convergence of factors that empowered said human rights abusers.

I agree with your assesment. What does that have to do with the US always meddling with Cuba because Cuba won't bow down and become a shithole puppet state for them?

[Gravlen]

So you failed to name any, and just linked to a random dismissed lawsuit which failed to provide any evidence for its claims? That's lazy and silly.

wait, the lawsuit quoted was just dismissed
I guess that's why i could find any result out of it.

Yep, dismissed In the Circuit Court of the Eleventh Judicial Circuit in and for Miami-Dade County in 1999/2000.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Is this going anywhere at all at the moment? Or has it pretty much already died down from the collective consciousness?

[Gravlen]

The embargo should absolutely be ended. Targeting officials under the Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act is a much better way of going about. More of a scalpel-like approach, rather than using the sledgehammer again.

One problem being that the Cuban Goverment is so pervisive that what your proposing won't do much.

I don't see why targetting key players wouldn't do much. It's the upper echelons, the leadership, you want to target in order to force change, is it not?

On the contrary, as long as the people on the top are comfortable, things will remain as they are. And as we have seen, they tend to remain comfortable when you use the sledgehammer. They will always be able to get their hands on the goods and luxuries denied to the rest of the population - unless specifically targeted.

[Odreria]

And calling Cuban-Americans imperialistic sadists doesn't actually contribute a whole lot to the conversation. It's not only inaccurate given the narrow focus of their ire and the fact that their goal is to bring down a regime in their traditional homeland, but tends to side with authoritarians over people who are ostensibly in favor of democracy. You can oppose intervention without doing that.

Ok? You can say whatever you want but anti communist Cubans are still not going to be known for their high moral character. I mean they’re mostly just the gangsters, pimps, and slavers that Castro kicked out, along with their spawn. If they don’t want to be called sadistic maybe they should sate their insane hatred for Cuba in ways other than shooting down planes filled with innocent civilians and attempting to induce famine.

[Fahran]

I agree with your assesment. What does that have to do with the US always meddling with Cuba because Cuba won't bow down and become a shithole puppet state for them?

The US "meddling" in Cuba of late has been broadly confined to not engaging in commercial exchanges with Cuba because hardline Marxist-Leninists are not friends of the United States as a rule. And Cuba is already a shithole by several standards, largely due to the malfeasance of its government, which continues to cling to a model that we know cannot be sustained in the long-term without serious reforms. A wide number of Caribbean countries have managed to cultivate decent relations with the US without becoming puppet states. Cuba's excuses aren't really compelling at the moment given they require the US to go out of its way to support a regime that historically is an enemy. They're dragging their feet, and at a time when they can ill-afford to do so.

[Fahran]

Ok? You can say whatever you want but anti communist Cubans are still not going to be known for their high moral character. I mean they’re mostly just the gangsters, pimps, and slavers that Castro kicked out, along with their spawn. If they don’t want to be called sadistic maybe they should sate their insane hatred for Cuba in ways other than shooting down planes filled with innocent civilians and attempting to induce famine.

They don't hate Cuba. They hate the Communist Party. Which is pretty sensible given what the Party did to its opponents. Lots of murder and torture. A lot of these people still have family in Cuba as well - which is where remittances go.

Mind you, hatred is never a good thing, but I think the hatred here is more justified than a lot of hatreds that get cover at the moment.

[Fahran]

Is this going anywhere at all at the moment? Or has it pretty much already died down from the collective consciousness?

It's still ongoing as far as I'm aware. These are some of the biggest demonstrations in decades as far as I'm aware.

[Punished UMN]

I agree with your assesment. What does that have to do with the US always meddling with Cuba because Cuba won't bow down and become a shithole puppet state for them?

The US "meddling" in Cuba of late has been broadly confined to not engaging in commercial exchanges with Cuba because hardline Marxist-Leninists are not friends of the United States as a rule. And Cuba is already a shithole by several standards, largely due to the malfeasance of its government. A wide number of Caribbean countries have managed to cultivate decent relations with the US without becoming puppet states. Cuba's excuses aren't really compelling at the moment given they require the US to go out of its way to support a regime that historically is an enemy.

The US doesn't care who it trades with really. We have close trade relations with hardline Islamists and hardline Chinese communists (who actually pose a huge threat to us), and Vietnam, a country we actually fought a huge war against. Cuba also didn't choose to become an enemy of the US, the US began the embargo largely out of spite because its attempt to orchestrate a coup d'etat failed, and no attempt by the Cubans at rapprochement has been greeted with more than hostility. We have better relations with Russia and China, our two biggest geopolitical foes, it's a bit odd to act like the hostility is because they're an enemy when Cuba hasn't even fucking done anything.

[Asherahan]

The US "meddling" in Cuba of late has been broadly confined to not engaging in commercial exchanges with Cuba because hardline Marxist-Leninists are not friends of the United States as a rule. And Cuba is already a shithole by several standards, largely due to the malfeasance of its government. A wide number of Caribbean countries have managed to cultivate decent relations with the US without becoming puppet states. Cuba's excuses aren't really compelling at the moment given they require the US to go out of its way to support a regime that historically is an enemy.

The US doesn't care who it trades with really. We have close trade relations with hardline Islamists and hardline Chinese communists (who actually pose a huge threat to us), and Vietnam, a country we actually fought a huge war against. Cuba also didn't choose to become an enemy of the US, the US began the embargo largely out of spite because its attempt to orchestrate a coup d'etat failed, and no attempt by the Cubans at rapprochement has been greeted with more than hostility. We have better relations with Russia and China, our two biggest geopolitical foes, it's a bit odd to act like the hostility is because they're an enemy when Cuba hasn't even fucking done anything.

Except not kow towing to the US.

[Asherahan]

I agree with your assesment. What does that have to do with the US always meddling with Cuba because Cuba won't bow down and become a shithole puppet state for them?

The US "meddling" in Cuba of late has been broadly confined to not engaging in commercial exchanges with Cuba because hardline Marxist-Leninists are not friends of the United States as a rule. And Cuba is already a shithole by several standards, largely due to the malfeasance of its government, which continues to cling to a model that we know cannot be sustained in the long-term without serious reforms. A wide number of Caribbean countries have managed to cultivate decent relations with the US without becoming puppet states. Cuba's excuses aren't really compelling at the moment given they require the US to go out of its way to support a regime that historically is an enemy. They're dragging their feet, and at a time when they can ill-afford to do so.

So what your saying is that the Cubans should adopt the Chinese Economic Model?